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Walcot
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‘Murderers and thieves’ - but Bush and Cheney aren’t ruling any more are they?
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RACJ
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So, we “benefit” from guys like Obama destroying jobs, the absence of which sends families into bankruptcy. I’ll bet that YOUR family is not affected by the closing of coal mines and oil rigs, except indirectly by massive increases in energy costs. The good news: We still have hitching posts in my town. Oh, that’s right, we can’t afford to feed the horses now, anyway. :bighanky: Rob
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Walcot
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Go and look at the evidence. And are you suggesting that, without laws curbing environmental damage, big business in the States won’t cause any environmental damage??It is Big Government, unchecked, which has been the biggest cause of environmental destruction. Witness the Soviet Union, Mexico and China. And PLEASE, stop buying the transparent anthropogenic “global warming” hoax! It is ALL about controlling people, and curbing freedom, and it’s past time that everyone wakes up.Rob
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qui_est_ce
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Well, they do produce “greenhouse” methane gas, don’t they?
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RACJ
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The Marxist despotism of the past four years is working out for YOU? Really? Shysters like Obama CAUSED the housing catastrophe by forcing banks to grant mortgages to millions of unqualified people, some with no job! You choose to live in an alternate universe. Your kids will NEVER be able to pay the debt that Democrat voters chose to inflict upon them.
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Glomung
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I was speaking of Obama and Bernanke. Though that applies to Bush and Rumsfeld also.
Obama is the only leader in the modern world who has claimed the authority to be able to order the murder of any person any where for any reason or no reason. Caesar did not make such a claim.
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RACJ
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Sadly, we all produce methane as well. Let’s end it all now, for the sake of the planet. Forward! :console:Well, they do produce “greenhouse” methane gas, don’t they?
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BlueEyedLady
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Up until about 10 years ago my family’s livelihood was very much tied to coal. The mine closed, and my stepfather decided to go in to law enforcement.
But I’m not a selfish person. I don’t think that we should reject newer, cleaner forms of energy because it might hurt someone’s job. Yeah, it sucks now, but I’m looking to my children and grandchildren’s future.
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qui_est_ce
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:sad_bye: :imsorry: :bighanky:
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qui_est_ce
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Such a kind word for FAILURE adequately research the consequences of a law. Have you forgotten the mandatory phase-in of the CFL and the mercury pollution?
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BroomWagon
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We may well see more “layoffs”, people unemployed, hardly the thing to say about “get over it!”
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Ridgerunner
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I do think we’re in trouble. Obama has, by executive fiat, decreed that Catholic institutions have to provide contraceptives, abortifacients and sterilizations. No vote in Congress. Nothing. Just his will. He has now imposed a tax by his will alone. No tax bill introduced in the House and passed in the Senate. Just his will alone.
He promised to “break the coal industry” and make utility bills “skyrocket”. He has, through the EPA imposed regulations that make it virtually impossible for any coal-fired plants to be built. No vote of Congress. Nothing. Just his will alone.
And we’re doing that for the sake of “global warming” that is questioned by serious people. But even if it exists, it makes no difference at all what limits Obama puts on fuel use in the U.S. The U.S. is not the biggest emitter and China builds a new coal-fired plant every ten days. India is totally unimpressed with “global warming” fears and builds what it wants to build.
And why in the world do they want “black boxes” in our cars? To see how accidents happen? That’s what police and highway patrol do every day. Why do we need “black boxes”? To gather statistics about miles traveled other than to and from work, fuel used, whether our tires are properly inflated? What?
He promised to “break the coal industry” and make utility bills “skyrocket”. He has, through the EPA imposed regulations that make it virtually impossible for any coal-fired plants to be built. No vote of Congress. Nothing. Just his will alone.
And we’re doing that for the sake of “global warming” that is questioned by serious people. But even if it exists, it makes no difference at all what limits Obama puts on fuel use in the U.S. The U.S. is not the biggest emitter and China builds a new coal-fired plant every ten days. India is totally unimpressed with “global warming” fears and builds what it wants to build.
And why in the world do they want “black boxes” in our cars? To see how accidents happen? That’s what police and highway patrol do every day. Why do we need “black boxes”? To gather statistics about miles traveled other than to and from work, fuel used, whether our tires are properly inflated? What?
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RACJ
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I am claiming that even now in America, self-professed “environmentalists” are causing the most damage. Whenever there are massive forest fires, one can rest assured that the vast majority of the time, they occur on government-owned land. Why? The enviro control freaks won’t allow brush to be cleared. Private owners foresee potential fires, and build fire breaks. The EPA is dangerously out of control. No sane person would clamor for NO regulation, but the EPA has gotten so extreme that even the foolhardy SCOTUS has ruled now that CO2, with which we all need to LIVE, is a pollutant. Yes, the world has gone nuts, and people are voting to build their own gallows.
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Walcot
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Hmmm…I don’t think Obama forced banks to grant mortgages etc etc…this all started before him. The banks are very powerful and greedy and don’t need anyone to ‘force’ them to exploit the vulnerable.The Marxist despotism of the past four years is working out for YOU? Really? Shysters like Obama CAUSED the housing catastrophe by forcing banks to grant mortgages to millions of unqualified people, some with no job! You choose to live in an alternate universe. Your kids will NEVER be able to pay the debt that Democrat voters chose to inflict upon them.
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Walcot
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Oh dear, you’ve fallen for the misinformation roadshow big-time…I am claiming that even now in America, self-professed “environmentalists” are causing the most damage. Whenever there are massive forest fires, one can rest assured that the vast majority of the time, they occur on government-owned land. Why? The enviro control freaks won’t allow brush to be cleared. Private owners foresee potential fires, and build fire breaks. The EPA is dangerously out of control. No sane person would clamor for NO regulation, but the EPA has gotten so extreme that even the foolhardy SCOTUS has ruled now that CO2, with which we all need to LIVE, is a pollutant. Yes, the world has gone nuts, and people are voting to build their own gallows.
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RACJ
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I’m sure that you are aware that scrubbers make coal production the cleanest that it’s ever been. Three of my wife’s and my grandmothers lived into their 90’s, and they grew up in the WORST of the coal smog times. Please don’t let the socialist propagandists persuade you. Your kids will be just fine, no matter the energy source. What they won’t survive is Soviet-style government control of their lives, unless they themselves join the leftists.
It is a bit amusing to me that your step-dad became a law enforcer, the likes of which are very much needed when the economy of a town collapses.
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Walcot
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I can only believe that America seems to be split down the middle. There are obviously many, many conspiracy theorists out there! Maybe you should look out at the rest of the world - travel a bit… We can learn from each other…not by the feeding frenzy against Democrats that appears to be rife here - all that heat and hate - wow! It makes our politics seem like kittens playing…
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manualman
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Reality check: Only a tiny portion of the toxic mortgages (by worth) were on low income and minority families targeted by those programs. The truth is more subtle. Although they were initially dragged kicking and screaming into lending to those folks, banks initially found that the high rates they were allowed to charge those people were highly profitable. Once they discovered that, they fell all over themselves to lower lending standards to EVERYBODY, not just the narrowly targeted disadvantaged groups covered by the legislation.The Marxist despotism of the past four years is working out for YOU? Really? Shysters like Obama CAUSED the housing catastrophe by forcing banks to grant mortgages to millions of unqualified people, some with no job! You choose to live in an alternate universe. Your kids will NEVER be able to pay the debt that Democrat voters chose to inflict upon them.
You can still argue an indirect cause and effect, but don’t exaggerate. It only hurts the case against these guys in the long run! The housing collapse didn’t arise because banks were forced to give $75,000 loans to single black mothers. Far more of it occurred because othwerwise prosperous people took out 0 down loans for $350k on 3,000SF minimansions and banks hardly cared if they could afford it or not in the long run.
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Ridgerunner
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And if your children and grandchildren end up living in a house that’s so expensive to heat that they don’t keep it warm, how will that be for them? To me, Obama’s promise to make utility bills “skyrocket” means exactly what it sounds like. Trouble is, most existing homes, even relatively efficient ones, still have a fairly high energy use level. In Europe, many public buildings are not heated at all; churches most particularly. Many, if not most, homes have no central heating. That’s because, not having ample supplies of inexpensive energy, the people can’t afford it. In all the world, electrical energy, by way of example, is cheapest in Finland because of its ample hydroelectric power. Next are the U.S., Canada and Australia, because of ample fuel supplies. Perhaps, in the midst of energy plenty, Americans are to be required by their government to live as people do where there is little in the way of fuel.
If that’s to be our fate, and that of our children and grandchildren; to live in the cold and dark in a country abounding in energy sources (likely to be shipped to China in that event) we need to address very seriously just why we are justified in imposing that on people who would undoubtedly have wanted to live better than that.
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Ridgerunner
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One trusts that one may be forgiven for not wanting to live in Europe notwithstanding the beauty of it. My ancestors were all European and they left there precisely because they did not want their lives determined by the whims and self-aggrandizement of the elites and trusted to their own personal resources in a land where one was not so strictured. It is exactly because a substantial number of Americans still want the latter instead of the former that politics here are what they are.
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