Election over, administration unleashes new rules

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We must also must keep in mind that the vote of one who supported Obama despite his support of unrestricted taxpayer-funded abortion on demand counts the same as a vote of one who voted for him because of his support for unrestricted taxpayer on demand and both votes support abject evil. There simply is no way that one can reconcile such a vote for the teachings of the catholic church. there is no amount of good a candidate can do to mitigate their support of abortion. such a person is morally unfit to hold any position of leadership and should never be supported by people who recognize abortion for the evil that it is
But a republican president could never make abortion illegal. Not everyone believes the same as you do and if you want to live in a democracy you’ll have to live with that fact or YOUR choice of president will turn into that dictator that I’ve been reading all about in these posts. Don’t attack ME…I don’t think abortion is right any more than you do. If it’s made illegal it goes under-ground and government knows it. These people don’t ‘support’ or ‘encourage’ abortion - they are between a rock and a hard place, they’re realistic and they know they are NOT dictators!
 
But a republican president could never make abortion illegal. Not everyone believes the same as you do and if you want to live in a democracy you’ll have to live with that fact or YOUR choice of president will turn into that dictator that I’ve been reading all about in these posts. Don’t attack ME…I don’t think abortion is right any more than you do. If it’s made illegal it goes under-ground and government knows it. These people don’t ‘support’ or ‘encourage’ abortion - they are between a rock and a hard place, they’re realistic and they know they are NOT dictators!
Do you know how abortion was LEGALIZED? It started with PURE LIES - The Late Dr Bernard Nathanson ADMITTED TO THIS **after **his conversion to being against abortion. The #s of women that died from illegal abortion was inflated…The lies were fed - it wasn’t 10s of 1000s of women who died from ILLEGAL abortions…it was maybe a few hundred at most…TOTAL. But because of the lies that were fed to public and media and whatnot…abortion…CHILD KILLING…was legalized! Doe of Doe vs Bolton was USED…she wanted help getting her children back after a divorce I believe it was…she didn’t want anything to do with abortion…but she was USED by feminist lawyers to get abortion legalized for “health issues” and Jane Roe…who is now pro life and has been for nearly 20 years…she didn’t have an abortion…she may have placed her child for adoption…for years she worked the industry until one day she met a little girl…a little girl who invited her to Church…that was almost the VICTIM of abortion!

If you read testimonies from women who regret their abortions, I’d say ~80+% said they would not have had one had it NOT BEEN LEGAL!

Slavery was abolished by the 13th amendment and you don’t see people enslaving anyone “underground” because its illegal, do you?

Obama’s administration is sending OUR Tax $ over to foreign countries to pay for OR to PROMOTE abortion!

And he will probably be appointing one or two new justices to the Supreme Court…and guess what…he will appoint YOUNG PRO ABORTION justices that will NEVER want R vs W overturned.

What will it take to abolish abortion? Will it take a massive flood to wipe out half the USA? Will it take another bloody civil war?

God’s laws come first…his law saying Thou Shall not Kill/Murder applies to ALL HUMAN beings, including the BABIES in the WOMB, even if they were conceived under horrible circumstances such as rape or incest.
 
As a former regulator myself, I don’t think most people realize tha power that Federal regulation gives to individuals who are not particularly smarter than any of the rest of us. And who, even as individuals, can interpret the thousands of pages of regulations issued by their agencies in a variety of ways, depending in part, on their own personal viewpoints and personal dedication to the letter of the regulation or not. Like Pharisees poring over the scriptures, one man’s interpretation is another man’s heresy.

One tiny example. A citizen came to my office once, holding a document issued by the same agency but in a different city. I looked at it. It was clearly wrong, and he needed it to be right. I had no authority to change it. I had personal knowledge of the way the agency worked in the other city. I knew that if the person sent it back to them, it would be months before it was looked at, might still not be corrected, and might disappear entirely. I took the document and corrected it myself and initialed it. That was not legal, but it was the right thing to do, and no one that he presented it to would question it. That’s just a minor thing. But I expect horror stories on regulatory matters to abound.
Sometimes nobody even knows what authority authorized or prohibited something. Years ago, when I was in banking, there was something I wanted to do. It was new and different, having to do with a particular manner of branching. The regulators scratched their heads, but then came up with the answer that it was prohibited pursuant to a memo by some guy who we will call “Mr. X”. Not precisely, but in “spirit”. Well, checking into it, I found that nobody had any idea who Mr. X was or why he wrote the memo, except that he wasn’t in any relevant agency at the time. It was just a memo. Ultimately, what I did was go to the state Director and persuaded him to issue a state regulation contrary to that of Mr. X, who was federal. Since mine was a state institution, the Director’s regulation prevailed over Mr. X’s memo.
 
Interesting…I don’t think I’ve ever been called a leftie before!! I actually voted in our UK Conservative/Lib Dem coalition this time round and I have never yet voted Labour. It’s all relative isn’t it - perhaps this shows how far to the right the Republicans have gone?
On the other hand, it might only show how far to the left everybody in the UK has gone.
 
But a republican president could never make abortion illegal. Not everyone believes the same as you do and if you want to live in a democracy you’ll have to live with that fact or YOUR choice of president will turn into that dictator that I’ve been reading all about in these posts. Don’t attack ME…I don’t think abortion is right any more than you do. If it’s made illegal it goes under-ground and government knows it. These people don’t ‘support’ or ‘encourage’ abortion - they are between a rock and a hard place, they’re realistic and they know they are NOT dictators!
If you vote for someone who supports unrestricted abortion on demand you support abortion.
 
As a former regulator myself, I don’t think most people realize tha power that Federal regulation gives to individuals who are not particularly smarter than any of the rest of us. And who, even as individuals, can interpret the thousands of pages of regulations issued by their agencies in a variety of ways, depending in part, on their own personal viewpoints and personal dedication to the letter of the regulation or not. Like Pharisees poring over the scriptures, one man’s interpretation is another man’s heresy.

One tiny example. A citizen came to my office once, holding a document issued by the same agency but in a different city. I looked at it. It was clearly wrong, and he needed it to be right. I had no authority to change it. I had personal knowledge of the way the agency worked in the other city. I knew that if the person sent it back to them, it would be months before it was looked at, might still not be corrected, and might disappear entirely. I took the document and corrected it myself and initialed it. That was not legal, but it was the right thing to do, and no one that he presented it to would question it. That’s just a minor thing. But I expect horror stories on regulatory matters to abound.
As a former bank auditor I would have to agree. i was 23 years old, two months out of college, and lecturing bank presidents on how to run their bank!
 
Quite possibly Europeans do have more religious freedom than we do…at least potentially. As far as I know, European governments have not forced Catholic institutions to provide contraceptives, abortifacients and sterilization to their employees. As far as I know, no European government has failed to allow Catholic institutions to be funded or even operate if they do not provide access to abortion or (in the case of child placement) force Catholic institutions to place children with homosexuals.

If I’m wrong about that, you can correct me.

I’ll grant that religious freedom was a big factor in my Irish ancestors’ leaving Europe. No question about it. But my other European ancestors didn’t leave for that reason. They came from countries where the Church was not oppressed. But those countries were then ruled by elites that would not allow personal industry to be rewarded. Those elites were largely, but not entirely, hereditary elites. But because many or most of Americans’ “ancestral memories” include a desire for personal freedom from dictatorial elites who demand too much in the way of fealty and tribute, approximately half of us react negatively toward it when it manifests itself here.

Even some recent immigrants feel the same way. A friend of mine is a Frenchman who came here to start an industry because, he said, you can’t get anywhere in France if you’re not connected. In addition, he says, in France he had no freedom to hire who he wanted, to fire who wasn’t doing his job, and faced taxes (and corruption) at every turn.
Here, he says, you can do what you want to do if you work hard at it, and don’t have to be well connected to do it. He, for one, is very opposed to Obama because he believes Obama has the same mindset as the people he left France to get away from.
It’s interesting what your French friend says about having to have connections and about corruption - I have no experience of living in France…but taxes - yes, we have taxes in Europe and we moan but we know they’re necessary - we just argue about how well or not they are spent! In the UK we have many small rural roads - not like yours - ours are all tarmaced and need a lot of upkeep and gritting in the winter. We have a health service that we value which is not perfect but isn’t anything like as bad as your republicans say! It all has to be paid for. Yes we have the problem of scroungers but this is recognised by our present government and they’re attempting to correct this without cutting the safety net altogether.
As for unions - their history is very interesting. The first unionists, the Tolpuddle Martyrs were a group of people - like those who went to make new lives in America - who were fed up with being oppressed by that ‘elite’ you were talking about. They had no chance to have their own business or even to have fair treatment as workers.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tolpuddle_Martyrs
In modern times unions became too powerful and counterproductive…and have an unfortunate connotation with class but they should still have a role to play. I have been grateful to a union in the past.
 
Slavery was abolished by the 13th amendment and you don’t see people enslaving anyone “underground” because its illegal, do you?

Unfortunately yes, sadly, slavery is alive and doing well in our modern world.
antislavery.org/english/
 
It’s interesting what your French friend says about having to have connections and about corruption - I have no experience of living in France…but taxes - yes, we have taxes in Europe and we moan but we know they’re necessary - we just argue about how well or not they are spent! In the UK we have many small rural roads - not like yours - ours are all tarmaced and need a lot of upkeep and gritting in the winter. We have a health service that we value which is not perfect but isn’t anything like as bad as your republicans say! It all has to be paid for. Yes we have the problem of scroungers but this is recognised by our present government and they’re attempting to correct this without cutting the safety net altogether.
As for unions - their history is very interesting. The first unionists, the Tolpuddle Martyrs were a group of people - like those who went to make new lives in America - who were fed up with being oppressed by that ‘elite’ you were talking about. They had no chance to have their own business or even to have fair treatment as workers.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tolpuddle_Martyrs
In modern times unions became too powerful and counterproductive…and have an unfortunate connotation with class but they should still have a role to play. I have been grateful to a union in the past.
I’m not sure what you think our rural roads are like, but most of them are quite good, even in the Ozarks, where I live. Rural roads in America are all locally financed. Typically, our rural roads have clay bases, then packed white limestone gravel, then “black top” (your tarmac I take it) anywhere from about five to 12 inches thick. They do it very thickly, so they don’t need frequent maintenance. Possibly it’s cheaper here to do that because of the ready availability of petroleum tar, and limestone quarries are everywhere. Clearing (rarely needed where I live because it rarely snows) is done by local authorities as well. If the local road districts are slow about it, ranchers clear it with their tractors. Rural road taxes are relatively inexpensive. For bare land, it’s about 5/10,000 of the value of the land in my county, per annum. Undoubtedly it’s higher in some other places and lower in some.

I have no idea whether that compares well or poorly to the UK.

Among perhaps as much as half the population, taxes are, indeed, resented because of the wastefulness of the government and the feeling that people can take care of themselves more effectively than the government can, by and large.

In the U.S., approximately 80% of the populace had access to health insurance and were happy with it before Obamacare. Some unknown additional number were qualified for Medicaid but weren’t registered for it because you can apply retroactively. Most Americans do not like Obamacare. As you might know, its passage was a fluke that could not have been passed before Obama’s first election or two years into it, and could not be passed now. But we’re stuck with it.

If you in the UK like your health service, keep it. I would personally prefer we did not have it because I would not like to wait in an ambulance for hours outside an ER while fighting off cardiac arrest. And, if I have a possible rotator cuff tear, I prefer to be in a country where the number of MRIs and CTs is well above the OECD average, rather than well below it as is the case in the UK.

But to each his own. 🙂
 
Haha! Could be I guess - but I noticed the huge change in America recently compared to when i first visited 40 yrs ago…
There is, indeed, a huge change. When I was a young man (a Democrat) the Democrat party was much like the Republican party of today. The closest thing then to the current Democrat party was a group of politicians then referred to as “Rockefeller Republicans”; elitist, wealthy, statist in instinct. There are only about three of those left in the Repub party upper ranks now.

In the last 40 years, the Dem party changed from a party that really did favor the poor and working people. Now it only pays lip service to those ideals and serves the abortion industry above all, then the elites. I was a party official when it changed, and it was a shock.

I never became a Republican, but I never vote for anyone else because all Dem candidates on my ballot are always pro-abortion. I refuse to support abortion by supporting those who promote it. I wouldn’t do it if they promised me free health care, an income guarantee and a Tennessee Walking Horse.
 
Slavery was abolished by the 13th amendment and you don’t see people enslaving anyone “underground” because its illegal, do you?

Unfortunately yes, sadly, slavery is alive and doing well in our modern world.
antislavery.org/english/
Well then let’s legalize it. Then we can regulate it and make sure the conditions aren’t so bad.

While we’re at it, let’s legalize murder. That way we can regulate how murder should be performed.

And maybe even tax them.
 
Well then let’s legalize it. Then we can regulate it and make sure the conditions aren’t so bad.

While we’re at it, let’s legalize murder. That way we can regulate how murder should be performed.

And maybe even tax them.
I hope you’re not attacking me here…as I have said I don’t agree with on demand abortion. But others do not agree that life begins at conception. They do not agree with you and you will have to live with it. Any country leader knows he has to live with it too. Because this world is like that -all messy shades of grey and what some of us believe wrong, others do NOT.
(For example, some God fearing people DO believe in legalised murder -they call it The Death Penalty.)
 
I hope you’re not attacking me here…as I have said I don’t agree with on demand abortion. But others do not agree that life begins at conception. They do not agree with you and you will have to live with it. Any country leader knows he has to live with it too. Because this world is like that -all messy shades of grey and what some of us believe wrong, others do NOT.
(For example, some God fearing people DO believe in legalised murder -they call it The Death Penalty.)
And some people believed Jews and Blacks were less than human and could be disposed with at will.
 
I hope you’re not attacking me here…as I have said I don’t agree with on demand abortion.
I’ m not attacking you, I’m trying to get you to see the logic of your posts.
But others do not agree that life begins at conception. They do not agree with you and you will have to live with it. Any country leader knows he has to live with it too. Because this world is like that -all messy shades of grey and what some of us believe wrong, others do NOT.
There is no “messy” shade of gray. Science tells us the conceived egg is a human being with distinct DNA. Those who are pro-abortion and pro-euthanaisa are trying to make this “messy.”
(For example, some God fearing people DO believe in legalised murder -they call it The Death Penalty.)
Killing in self-defense is not murder. Killing a defenseless life in the womb is.

It’s really that simple.
 
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