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Romney offered traditional American values. Obama offered a new set of American values (including a redo of the USA flag).

We have seen, twice now, that the majority wants the Obama view.
 
irishpatrick said:
Romney offered traditional American values. Obama offered the so-called new American values. We see twice now that the majority wants the Obama view.
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Well it was very close. Yes, America is in the process of deciding some things. And it’s not very pleasant right now.
 
iloveangels said:
No. Even during the depths of the fall of Rome, people lived in the city and all the colonies like Britain and did the best that they could. That’s how dark ages work. We still are a ways from a true dark age but we’ll get through it now and later when it shows up. Say your prayers, trust that God knows what He’s doing, be safe and hang onto your wallet.
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I’ll do my best.
 
irishpatrick said:
Romney offered traditional American values. Obama offered a new set of American values (including a redo of the USA flag).

We have seen, twice now, that the majority wants the Obama view.
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Whose traditional American values? That has been a Republican talking point for years and when pinned down for what they are you generally get a set of beliefs that virtually all Americans believe.

Love of family, love of country, hard work, honesty, and so on.

The Republicans do not have a corner on that market,

John
 
oldcelt said:
Whose traditional American values? That has been a Republican talking point for years and when pinned down for what they are you generally get a set of beliefs that virtually all Americans believe.

Love of family, love of country, hard work, honesty, and so on.

The Republicans do not have a corner on that market,

John
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Not a celtic one, oldcelt. One from the founders of the country and from the original settlers of this country, north and south. The first 200 years of this country occurred BEFORE the Revolution. And the great overwhelming majority of the colonists BEFORE the Revolution, north AND south were English.

Many Catholics don’t quite realize this, I think. I saw that Cardinal Dolan gave a speech about American history and religious freedom a few days ago, and was quite pleased about the amount he had learned about American history. You don’t often see that from a Catholic. Catholics tend to talk about themselves.
 
iloveangels said:
Not a celtic one, oldcelt. One from the founders of the country and from the original settlers of this country, north and south. Many Catholics don’t quite realize this, I think. I saw that Cardinal Dolan gave a speech about American history and religious freedom a few days ago, and was quite pleased about the amount he had learned about American history. You don’t often see that from a Catholic. Catholics tend to talk about themselves.
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I don’t get your point
 
iloveangels said:
The European are in a mess of their own making. And that’s their problem.
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Not entirely, in either sense. The Euro problem is an American problem in the sense that either economy can pull the other one down. Much of the fiscal crisis in Europe is tied to the events which lead to the 2007-2008 melt down, which was of American origin.

That is only part of the picture, but it is a part of it.

The world is a small place. That is why I can sit at a computer in Germany at 19:35, and type messages which will appear almost instantly on a server in California at 10:35. We are all linked. More and more, what happens on some remote part of the world, will affect some other part of the planet, and very quickly, in historic terms.

Ask any epidemiologist about this. Epidemics spread worldwide at an astonishing rate, thanks to cheap and plentiful air travel. It is in US and European interests to fight disease in Africa and Asia, and not only for humanitarian reasons.

We are all in this together. International borders and geographic boundaries mean less and less as each day passes.
 
epan said:
Not entirely, in either sense. The Euro problem is an American problem in the sense that either economy can pull the other one down. Much of the fiscal crisis in Europe is tied to the events which lead to the 2007-2008 melt down, which was of American origin.

That is only part of the picture, but it is a part of it.

The world is a small place. That is why I can sit at a computer in Germany at 19:35, and type messages which will appear almost instantly on a server in California at 10:35. We are all linked. More and more, what happens on some remote part of the world, will affect some other part of the planet, and very quickly, in historic terms.

Ask any epidemiologist about this. Epidemics spread worldwide at an astonishing rate, thanks to cheap and plentiful air travel. It is in US and European interests to fight disease in Africa and Asia.

We are all in this together. International borders and geographic boundaries mean less and less as each day passes.
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Unfortunately we are tied together, and that is the nature of globalism. So I don’t know why you all are so happy Obama got elected. You’re going to sit dead still in the water for 4 years just like we are–or worse. Good luck with that.

There is one interesting thing about this too. We’re tied together closer in good times than bad, ever notice that? The Greeks are starving in the streets this week and they can’t even bury their dead. There are children in Greek streets abandoned by their parents who can’t afford to feed them any longer. Is that happening on a widespread scale in Germany? No, of course not. And it won’t, either. So much for the international community.
 
simple_soul said:
Yes,…but what exactly does that meen? I am asking sincerely. I hear everyone say this but what in you mind would be them being cooperative?
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A good place to start in my mind would be to come to the table willing to ask the richest among us who can most afford it, to sacrifice and contribute more in taxes and also cutting defense spending before they ask the poor and middle class to make severe sacrifces. And as another poster previously mentioned, for them to stop wasting time on things such as on votes to repeal Obamacare that are not going to happen. I know when they gained the House 2 yrs ago, they spent a lot of time on abortion. At least now we won’t have the Senate GOP leader saying their main goal is to keep Barack Obama to 1 term. It is time to accept Barack Obama is the POTUS and begin to work together where we can.
 
CMatt25 said:
A good place to start in my mind would be to come to the table willing to ask the richest among us who can most afford it, to sacrifice and contribute more in taxes and also cutting defense spending before they ask the poor and middle class to make severe sacrifces. And as another poster previously mentioned, for them to stop wasting time on things such as on votes to repeal Obamacare that are not going to happen. I know when they gained the House 2 yrs ago, they spent a lot of time on abortion. At least now we won’t have the Senate GOP leader saying their main goal is to keep Barack Obama to 1 term. It is time to accept Barack Obama is the POTUS and begin to work together where we can.
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Politics, always politics. It’s time for each one of us to do what’s best for each one of us. That’s the only sane thing to do in this mess. Trust me that’s what most Americans are going to do. Tha’ts what they always do. These grand schemes of yours are pipe dreams.
 
oldcelt said:
Whose traditional American values? That has been a Republican talking point for years and when pinned down for what they are you generally get a set of beliefs that virtually all Americans believe.

Love of family, love of country, hard work, honesty, and so on.

The Republicans do not have a corner on that market,

John
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It is NOT property of any party–that is one of my main points. All Americans should embrace those values. Many no longer do.
 
iloveangels said:
Bingo. That’s my point.
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No…I really can’t understand what you have written. Are you saying that the early settlers should be our model? That doesn’t change the fact that most Americans share the same basic beliefs as citizens…not just Republicans.

BTW, the Celts were in England well before the Normans or Saxons.

John
 
So, I was jogging at the gym today at lunch (too cold outside) and watching the news. At the bottom was the results of national exit polling. I thought it was very interesting:

Obama voters:
Minority
Women
Mothers
18-44 age group
People who don’t attend church
Catholics

Romney Voters:
Whites
Men
Fathers
45+ age group
People who attend church weekly
Evangelicals

A stark contrast.
 
iloveangels said:
Unfortunately we are tied together, and that is the nature of globalism. So I don’t know why you all are so happy Obama got elected. You’re going to sit dead still in the water for 4 years just like we are–or worse. Good luck with that.
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Neither candidate was a good one, in my opinion. I would not say that I am “so happy”

Pluses for Romney were:

Decisive. I believe he would put his ideas into action.
Business knowledge. He brought something valuable to the table here.
Some moral values. I happen to agree that the HHS mandate should be withdrawn as a burden to employers.

Minuses:

Naive world view.
Poorly articulated economic policy.
Bad tax policy.
Some moral values. Vouchers for medicare? come on.

Pluses for Obama:

Experience of his first term.
Sophisticated world view.
Some moral values. He does care about the middle class and the poor.

Minuses
No articulated economic policy.
Some moral values
Bad tax policy

I did not think that either candidate ever talked about the most pressing issues that we face. I didn’t like either one, for that reason.
 
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