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BASIC RESPECT FOR ALL HUMAN BEINGS? What about Obama’s obsession with abortion?
That’s another problem: being unable to carry out a conversation without introducing disparaging remarks related to abortion. I might be mistaken, but I have heard of people being converted through prayer, persuasion, good example, good preaching, good upbringing or good teaching, but never through personal attacks and putdowns.

We Catholics need to repudiate these tactics or we will prove to be our own worst enemies.
 
I can’t see how the Republicans can ever win again. The Democrats have too many “sheep” that will vote for them no matter what.
People will have to be broken, and eventually it will happen. This will come to its nasty end and the longer it goes on, the greater the crash will be.
 
That’s another problem: being unable to carry out a conversation without introducing disparaging remarks related to abortion. I might be mistaken, but I have heard of people being converted through prayer, persuasion, good example, good preaching, good upbringing or good teaching, but never through personal attacks and putdowns.

We Catholics need to repudiate these tactics or we will prove to be our own worst enemies.
Evidently, you only care about respect when it suits your views. The unborn don’t deserve it. :mad:
 
That’s another problem: being unable to carry out a conversation without introducing disparaging remarks related to abortion. I might be mistaken, but I have heard of people being converted through prayer, persuasion, good example, good preaching, good upbringing or good teaching, but never through personal attacks and putdowns.

We Catholics need to repudiate these tactics or we will prove to be our own worst enemies.
You made a disparaging remark about republicans and respect, incuring race and respecting human beings which I find odd in the context of this thread
 
So basically, Republicans can’t expect their vote until they stop being racists.
That seems to be an extreme characterization. I think the Republicans would fare better with Latinos if the stance on immigration issues involved something other than enforcement. Opposition to the DREAM Act, which allowed citizenship for persons who were brought to the US as young children and grew up as English speaking Americans, really hurts Republican candidates. Similarly, Republican positions on such measures such as guest worker programs.

President GW Bush had a sensible take on immigration, but his party rebelled against it.
 
Evidently, you only care about respect when it suits your views. The unborn don’t deserve it. :mad:
Thanks for illustrating my point: I disagree with a tactic, so I become the enemy. You can’t force people to behave the way you want, so that becomes my fault.

If tonight doesn’t teach the lessons that need learning, then I guess they just won’t be learned…
 
That seems to be an extreme characterization. I think the Republicans would fare better with Latinos if the stance on immigration issues involved something other than enforcement. Opposition to the DREAM Act, which allowed citizenship for persons who were brought to the US as young children and grew up as English speaking Americans, really hurts Republican candidates. Similarly, Republican positions on such measures such as guest worker programs.

President GW Bush had a sensible take on immigration, but his party rebelled against it.
I agree. I think republicans would make gains with Hispanics if they were more lienent on the issue of immigration. Hispanics are natural constituency for republicans; pro family, pro business, pro life, religious
 
You made a disparaging remark about republicans and respect, incuring race and respecting human beings which I find odd in the context of this thread
I remarked that people tend to vote for those who respect them. If you find that disparaging then that’s your perspective. I’m just puzzled as to what section of the electorate the unborn comprise, since you introduced abortion into a discussion of the behavior of the voting public.
 
I agree. I think republicans would make gains with Hispanics if they were more lienent on the issue of immigration. Hispanics are natural constituency for republicans; pro family, pro business, pro life, religious
Hispanics, in my experience, are neither one issue voters nor a monolithic lot. The same goes for African-Americans. What the Republican guard need to realize is that when they persist on pushing an issue around which minorities mobilize (such as messing with voting regulations) they are doing the opposition’s work for it.

P.S. The concept of respect also demands that people are seen as people first and not simply as a voting bloc to be enticed with some concession or the next. IMO, Romney could still have lost even if he had promised immigration reform or some concession to black voters.
 
I remarked that people tend to vote for those who respect them. If you find that disparaging then that’s your perspective. I’m just puzzled as to what section of the electorate the unborn comprise, since you introduced abortion into a discussion of the behavior of the voting public.
So you are saying people do not think republicans respect them and that is why they did not vote for them? Not much of an endorsement for Obama. I think republicans do have to do more to reach out to Hispanics as the mainstream media has tried to make republicans out as racists when they are not and I think many Hispanics know what republicans are against, illegal immigration and do not know enough about what the party is for
 
That seems to be an extreme characterization. I think the Republicans would fare better with Latinos if the stance on immigration issues involved something other than enforcement. Opposition to the DREAM Act, which allowed citizenship for persons who were brought to the US as young children and grew up as English speaking Americans, really hurts Republican candidates. Similarly, Republican positions on such measures such as guest worker programs.

President GW Bush had a sensible take on immigration, but his party rebelled against it.
This is just a flat-out mischaracterization. “Republican positions on…guest worker programs” have included Republicans friendly to the idea, and not just GWB. As to the DREAM Act, I continue to view it in its current proposed state as extremely unwise. If Latinos are going to reject any DREAM Act that isn’t extremely liberal and invites more illegal immigration into the country, then tough. When does it stop, Dale? Do you not understand that “anchor babies” are one of the major reasons that so many immigrants come? It’s not about the parents “living the American dream.” It’s about the children having access to privileges of American citizenship – whether those children are born here, or whether they “innocently” arrived due to the non-innocent actions of their parents. That’s precisely what the motivation is on the part of the parents. Making legal assimilation non-difficult is merely making a mockery of immigration laws. Far more should be required of those being assimilated.

The United States has limited resources in which to continue to provide recklessly to the entire portion of the globe that would prefer to live here. Finite resources. It’s icomprehensible to me how naive liberals are about economics. (It’s also embarrassing.)
 
Hispanics, in my experience, are neither one issue voters nor a monolithic lot. The same goes for African-Americans. What the Republican guard need to realize is that when they persist on pushing an issue around which minorities mobilize (such as messing with voting regulations) they are doing the opposition’s work for it.

P.S. The concept of respect also demands that people are seen as people first and not simply as a voting bloc to be enticed with some concession or the next. IMO, Romney could still have lost even if he had promised immigration reform or some concession to black voters.
Obama did not pursue immigration reform in the 2 years he had a majority democrat house and senate and then some months before the election he signed an executive order for a temporary DREAM act. That was done to entice the Hispanic voting bloc with a concession
 
This is just a flat-out mischaracterization. “Republican positions on…guest worker programs” have included Republicans friendly to the idea, and not just GWB. As to the DREAM Act, I continue to view it in its current proposed state as extremely unwise. If Latinos are going to reject any DREAM Act that isn’t extremely liberal and invites more illegal immigration into the country, then tough. When does it stop, Dale? Do you not understand that “anchor babies” are one of the major reasons that so many immigrants come? It’s not about the parents “living the American dream.” It’s about the children having access to privileges of American citizenship – whether those children are born here, or whether they “innocently” arrived due to the non-innocent actions of their parents. That’s precisely what the motivation is on the part of the parents. Making legal assimilation non-difficult is merely making a mockery of immigration laws. Far more should be required of those being assimilated.

The United States has limited resources in which to continue to provide recklessly to the entire portion of the globe that would prefer to live here. Finite resources. It’s icomprehensible to me how naive liberals are about economics. (It’s also embarrassing.)
Marco Rubio was pursuing a bipartison DREAM act before Obama announced his

RNC platform called for a
Legal and reliable source of foreign labor through a new guest-worker program
 
Nevada pro life senator Dean Heller has defeated pro abortion Rep Shelley Berkley
 
One thing I just thought of… wonder what deal obama is gna have with Russia now… remmeber he told Russia wait until I get a second term. Something about more leeway ? :confused:
 
Yeah, but a failed economy is all on Obama and his supporters, great, just what I wanted to see my whole life, $6 a gallon gasoline and 10% unemployment. Don’t blame Romney, half of America did this to themselves.
Ahhhh, cheer up now. Maybe you can get Romney to run again for 2016 against Hillary!

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RNC platform called for a
Here is what the 2012 RNC platform says about immigrant workers
page 7:
We can accelerate the process of restoring our domestic economy—and reclaiming this country’s traditional position of dominance in international trade—by a policy of strategic immigration, granting more work visas to holders of advanced degrees in science, technology, engineering, and math from other nations
page 26:
Perhaps worst of all, the current Administration has failed to enforce the legal means for workers or employers who want to operate within the law.

In contrast, a Republican Administration and Congress will partner with local governments through cooperative enforcement agreements in Section 287g of the Immigration and Nationality Act to make communities safer for all and will consider, in light of both current needs and historic practice, the utility of a legal and reliable source of foreign labor where needed through a new guest worker program. We will create humane procedures to encourage illegal aliens to return home voluntarily, while enforcing the law against those who overstay their visas.
gop.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/2012GOPPlatform.pdf

Its not exactly a ringing endorsement of a guest worker program (except for persons with advanced technical degrees.) Although it is a shift from what the Republicans have promoted prior to August 2012
“It wasn’t even attacked,” crowed Brad Bailey, a Texas restauranteur who lobbied heavily for the inclusion of a guest-worker program in the document. Bailey was expecting immigration hard-liners to go after the proposed temporary worker program because a standard GOP campaign line says that illegal immigrants are taking jobs from Americans. Businesses dispute that statement, saying there are many jobs (like roofing and fruit-picking) that Americans won’t do.
nationaljournal.com/2012-conventions/republican-platform-calls-for-guest-worker-program-20120821
 
I have to be completely honest and say that my disgust is not about the election per se; it’s about our entire method of choosing candidates (presidential and to some extent congressional): the whole Image thing, the whole PR thing, the “grooming” of candidates by Managers, the restrictions by others on what they should say and to whom they should say it – not to mention the obscene domination of money in this sphere: All of it works against finding the most suitable representative of each party, not to mention the most suitable candidates apart from party identity.
There are Democrats more experienced than Mr. Obama, and Republicans more broadly appealing than Mr. Romney.

Being manipulated affects the people who are manipulated. It affects their attitudes, their belief in their government, their desire to participate.

I’m also discouraged (again!) by the level of gullibility, the level of outright ignorance in too many cases – not so much with regard to campaign slogans and promises (and their generalities), but with regard to an understanding of the complexiities of both politics and economics. Obama is neither “responsible” (solely) for our accumulated economic problems, nor would Romney be able to magically fix them, let alone quickly. the US ecnomy is a many-faceted system which has many factors influencing it – some domestic, some foreign, some short-term, some long-term.

I happen to adhere more to Romney’s understanding of conditions for job growth, but I find his economic vision somewhat lacking, and the best possible economic leader for the country would still be impotent to fix the job market singlehandedly and ensure prosperity. A wise president would lead with policies which incentivize private enterprise while also incentivizing employment. In short (i.m.o.), as citizens we still rely too much on presidential candidates to “fix” far too much – fix what is beyond their power.

And then there’s the whole cultural disintegration thing: disintegration of traditional values which have in previous eras supported the social fabric. And the cynic in me, knowing many Obama voters, does not attribute Obama votes, overall, to a concern for the poor. Rather, among the rich who vote for Obama, it is about being trendy, and about supporting a licence to indulge ultimate lack of restrictions, a kind of personal libertarianism disguised as Democratic Party values.

I truly grieve the lack of a sense of community (as a nation) which I perceive us to have.

I also think it’s time for a Coalition Style of governent – only because it would help prevent the monopolizing of the country by a single party, and might encourage less “extreme” positions on the part of individual parties, given the practical need to woo votes.

Pardon my negativity.
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