Elizabeth Smart's father announces he is gay

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Yes , however the questions I have are specifically regarding Mrs. Smart and her options after her pending divorce.

The conversation has taken a few twists and turns since then.
 
Horton said:
That would be teaching little girls and teens they are never able to obtain the highest level of heaven on their own merits…
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I have seen a copy of the LDS lessons taught to young women. It is truly the most demeaning and sexist thing I have ever read. And yes, women need to marry a RM in the temple to achieve heaven.

If not, they will forever be servants.

Oh my gosh, how do LDS mothers allow this abuse to be perpetrated on their daughters?!
 
Is the temple in Utah? What if you can’t afford to travel, or can’t go for some other reason, such as health or legal restrictions? Is that a dispensation worthy condition?
 
I know in Islam, a hajj ( pilgrimage to Mecca ) is required at least once in your lifetime, but even in that case I think that legal, financial, or physical restrictions beyond your control allow for some alternate event to make up for the hajj.
 
Actually, the fear and shame of having a daughter being called “an old maid” is what motivates these mothers.

And, by old maid, Mormons mean by age 23.
 
Mormons must perform temple rituals in order to maintain the status of Temple Worthy.

This includes baptisms for the dead that some Mormon families will do together before school in the morning.
 
so are there temples widely spaced geographically enough to cover all Mormons? Will they help those with difficulties such as health to be able to perform the rituals?
 
Yes, although I have not been inside an LDS temple I know much planning goes into their construction. I also know many senior citizens spend their days doing “temple work” so I would assume they are equipped to handle seniors and those with disabilities.
 
Mike1w said:
so are there temples widely spaced geographically enough to cover all Mormons?
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There are only between 7-14 million Mormons worldwide and their numbers are shrinking. One criticism is they build temples where none are needed. Many think they do it to give the appearance of having a strong presence in the area.
 
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Horton said:
That would be teaching little girls and teens they are never able to obtain the highest level of heaven on their own merits.
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Both the catholic Church and The Church of Jesus Christ teach that no one gets to Heaven by their own merits.

For Catholic teaching see CCC 2007 & CCC 2008. For The Church of Jesus Christ please refer to Moroni 6:4 where it is taught that the believers rely “alone upon the merits of Christ, who was the author and the finisher of their faith.”
Horton said:
Teaching young women that your god thinks so little of them nothing they do will allow them to have eternal life. Teaching little girls their primary (and only really) role in life is to marry and have children regardless of what she wants. Teaching little girls that getting married is a commandment of God.

That is force & coercion.
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That is blather.
 
SunshineGrandma said:
Gazelam - Can a divorced woman choose to stay single and still go to (the highest level of)
heaven, according to LDS teaching?

Does an LDS woman need Jesus AND a man to get her to heaven?

Thank you.
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I believe I already answered this here.
SunshineGrandma said:
We know that Mary, the Blessed Mother, was given to John after Jesus’ death. She obviously didn’t have a husband.
John 19:26-27
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What about Joseph?!?!
SunshineGrandma said:
In all the synoptic gospels, women followed Jesus around, which implies they possibly did not have a husband and/or children.
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Jesus’ ministry only lasted three years. Couldn’t female disciples have followed Him for a while and then got married afterward?
 
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Mary obviously didn’t remarry after Joseph died.

The Woman at the well apparently didn’t have a husband at the time of her death (I’m taking it you didn’t read her story).

Can a woman remain single, or not remarry after divorce or death and still go to LDS heaven?
 
gazelam said:
Jesus’ ministry only lasted three years. Couldn’t female disciples have followed Him for a while and then got married afterward?
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Maybe, maybe not. It is very possible they devoted their life to Christ and lived as a celibate.
 
gazelam said:
My opinion here… If she does not remarry in the temple in this life after having the opportunity to do so (and not just a token marriage, but a loving marriage) she would forfeit Eternal Life. If she had been striving for another marriage in the temple and simply hadn’t found the right guy, she will have the opportunity in the next life (before the Resurrection), to receive that blessing.
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What about official LDS teaching on the matter?

What do you mean exactly “she would forfeit Eternal Life?” Don’t sugarcoat it, please.

Thank you.
 
gazelam said:
Both the catholic Church and The Church of Jesus Christ teach that no one gets to Heaven by their own merits.

For Catholic teaching see CCC 2007 & CCC 2008. For The Church of Jesus Christ please refer to Moroni 6:4 where it is taught that the believers rely “ alone upon the merits of Christ, who was the author and the finisher of their faith .”
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You know what I meant and are just being difficult, probably because you have no answer. You have no way to explain away this incredibly misogynist teaching of the LDS.
gazelam said:
That is blather.
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And this is just another deflection. You know this is what the LDS teach, there is no way to refute it. You even say so in your own words:
My opinion here… If she does not remarry in the temple in this life after having the opportunity to do so (and not just a token marriage, but a loving marriage) she would forfeit Eternal Life. If she had been striving for another marriage in the temple and simply hadn’t found the right guy, she will have the opportunity in the next life (before the Resurrection), to receive that blessing.
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You said if she makes a choice to remain single, she forfeits Eternal life. How can that be anything less than force or coercion?
 
Chris-Wa1 said:
Also that doctrinal belief makes absolutely no sense given that Jesus Himself said there is no marriage in heaven. Not much gray area there.
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But Jesus did not say there is no marriage in heaven. Jesus did not accept the premise of the Sadducees who were questioning the resurrection. He said to them, “You are misled because you do not know the scriptures or the power of God. At the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage” Matt. 22:29-30
Latter-day Saints believe when we die we enter the spirit world where we wait the time of the resurrection.
 
ZMystiCat said:
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gazelam:
How many times does the commandment have to be given to individuals before we realize the commandment is for all?
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  1. The cited verse never said all people throughout history should do it.
  2. Adam and Eve and Noah and his family were in a very unusual position, in that the continuation of the human population relied on them procreating. They couldn’t afford to be celibate. We can.
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True, but part of the commandment is to replenish the Earth. The Earth would not be filled up after 5, 10 or even 20 generations after Noah. When would God had notified a prophet that the Earth is properly replenished and that some celibacy would then be permissible?

On the other hand, Genesis 2:24 does give a broad commandment for all men.

Wherefore a man shall leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they shall be two in one flesh.

There’s really no wiggle room here for celibacy as an option here.
 
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