Elizabeth Smart's father announces he is gay

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gazelam said:
Nothing in these wonderful passages describes how procreation occurs in the next life; only that it does occur.
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There is nothing wonderful about eternal marriage and pregnancy. I love being married, I loved being pregnant and having my children, however that is not what I want to do for all eternity.

I look forward to my time in heaven with Jesus and the saints, my family and friends…and not serving others as a wife and mother.

Where did I ask about “how” procreation happens in the next life? That’s irrelevant IMO. It’s the “why” that matters.

Why does a woman need this for eternal life when Jesus says there is no marriage in heaven? Jesus knows how difficult life is and would not sentence us to an eternity of hardship.

I have heard “families are forever “ ad nauseum for thirty years. However, this eternal pregnancy doctrine is a teaching I’ve never heard before. (I can see it now… “Pregnancy is forever” wall decals on Pinterest. Probably wouldn’t be a big seller).
 
mtolympus said:
She will still be sealed to her children and to her parents in the celestial glory which is in the presence of God. However, she will be able to chose marriage or to remain single.
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What does it mean when you say “she will still be sealed to her children and parents” ?

Won’t her children be sealed to their own spouses and children?

Won’t her parents be sealed to their parents?

How would “getting sealed”, which is strictly a ritual, get us into heaven? Jesus clearly taught it’s how we treat others and how we love God that matters and Jesus said there is no marriage in heaven.

Was Jesus wrong or do LDS take the word of Joseph Smith over Jesus’ word?
 
In the celestial kingdom all families are sealed, husband and wife, and children to parents. Being sealed to our family is one of the blessings of heaven.

This does not conflict with what Jesus said. He told us to love one another. If someone doesn’t want to be with their family in the next life, they probably don’t love each other.
 
mtolympus said:
In the celestial kingdom all families are sealed, husband and wife, and children to parents. Being sealed to our family is one of the blessings of heaven.
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You didn’t answer my question on how sealing works. Where does each family reside in LDS heaven?

If a husband and wife are sealed to their children, who do they reside with in heaven if their children are married? Won’t their children be sealed to their own children? What about in-laws?

If everyone has been sealed together for generations, wouldn’t everyone be together?
mtolympus said:
This does not conflict with what Jesus said. He told us to love one another. If someone doesn’t want to be with their family in the next life, they probably don’t love each ot
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Yes, it does conflict with what Jesus said. To purposely misrepresent Jesus is a very serious offense.
If you are attempting to insult me it didn’t work. I hope and pray I will be with my family some day in heaven. However, I know from the Bible that Jesus said our relationships will be different yet perfected.
 
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mtolympus said:
In the celestial kingdom all families are sealed, husband and wife, and children to parents. Being sealed to our family is one of the blessings of heaven.
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Given this premise, how does it all work? Let me put a situation of a family before you and you can tell me how all these people will be in LDS heaven.

A man & women marry, sealed for eternity. They have 4 children, boy1, boy2, girl3, & girl4. All children sealed to their parents. The children grow up and marry. Girl4 marries a non believer but a good person but she cannot be sealed to him. The other three all marry good LDS spouses and are sealed for eternity. They all go on to have children, the 3 followers have their children sealed to them, girl4 is not able to do so as her husband in not LDS and she has stopped attending meetings with the LDS. However they remain upstanding citizens and are raising their children well. The children of the 3 grow up and marry/sealed and have children of their own. The children of girl4 also grow up and marry good spouses and children of their own.

Now where do each of these people go in heaven? Be specific.
 
SunshineGrandma said:
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gazelam:
Nothing in these wonderful passages describes how procreation occurs in the next life; only that it does occur.
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There is nothing wonderful about eternal marriage and pregnancy. I love being married, I loved being pregnant and having my children, however that is not what I want to do for all eternity.

I look forward to my time in heaven with Jesus and the saints, my family and friends…and not serving others as a wife and mother.
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What do you imagine the daily activities of Heaven to be? Do you think there is a different type of service that is rendered in Heaven?
SunshineGrandma said:
Where did I ask about “how” procreation happens in the next life? That’s irrelevant IMO. It’s the “why” that matters.

Why does a woman need this for eternal life when Jesus says there is no marriage in heaven? Jesus knows how difficult life is and would not sentence us to an eternity of hardship.
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Jesus never said there is no marriage in Heaven; only that in the Resurrection there will be no new marriages.

Question: Why do you assume marriage and procreation in the next life would involve hardship?

Revelation 21:4 tells us that future hardship will be done away.

He will wipe every tear from their eyes, and there shall be no more death or mourning, wailing or pain, [for] the old order has passed away.
SunshineGrandma said:
I have heard “families are forever “ ad nauseum for thirty years. However, this eternal pregnancy doctrine is a teaching I’ve never heard before. (I can see it now… “Pregnancy is forever” wall decals on Pinterest. Probably wouldn’t be a big seller).
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I certainly wouldn’t buy one…
 
Horton said:
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mtolympus:
In the celestial kingdom all families are sealed, husband and wife, and children to parents. Being sealed to our family is one of the blessings of heaven.
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Given this premise, how does it all work? Let me put a situation of a family before you and you can tell me how all these people will be in LDS heaven.

A man & women marry, sealed for eternity. They have 4 children, boy1, boy2, girl3, & girl4. All children sealed to their parents. The children grow up and marry. Girl4 marries a non believer but a good person but she cannot be sealed to him. The other three all marry good LDS spouses and are sealed for eternity. They all go on to have children, the 3 followers have their children sealed to them, girl4 is not able to do so as her husband in not LDS and she has stopped attending meetings with the LDS. However they remain upstanding citizens and are raising their children well. The children of the 3 grow up and marry/sealed and have children of their own. The children of girl4 also grow up and marry good spouses and children of their own.

Now where do each of these people go in heaven? Be specific.
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This is just like the question that the Sadducees asked Jesus.
 
Yes it is.

If eternal marriage is true then the Sadducees would have a point and Jesus would be in a quandary. This is precisely why the Sadducees thought of asking Jesus in the first place since they don’t believe in eternal life.

However Jesus neatly side steps this question by saying there is no marriage in heaven.
 
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SunshineGrandma said:
You didn’t answer my question on how sealing works. Where does each family reside in LDS heaven?

If a husband and wife are sealed to their children, who do they reside with in heaven if their children are married? Won’t their children be sealed to their own children? What about in-laws?

If everyone has been sealed together for generations, wouldn’t everyone be together?
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Jesus told us that “in my Father’s house are many mansions.” However, he has not yet revealed everyone’s address. So, I have to say I don’t know the answer to your question.

Jesus gave Peter the keys of the kingdom of heaven and told him “Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven.” Sealing our families in the temple on earth is one of the things that are bound in heaven. Exactly how sealing works, I can not say.
SunshineGrandma said:
Yes, it does conflict with what Jesus said. To purposely misrepresent Jesus is a very serious offense.
If you are attempting to insult me it didn’t work. I hope and pray I will be with my family some day in heaven. However, I know from the Bible that Jesus said our relationships will be different yet perfected.
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In your question, you did not tell me what exactly Jesus said! So I really don’t know what you are talking about. I assumed you meant Jesus told us we should love one another and love God. I totally agree with this statement. I just don’t know what this has to do with temple sealings.

I really didn’t mean to insult you. Sorry if you took my comment that way.
 
But this is the exact situation the LDS claim happens in heaven, eternal families AND each man being able to have his own kingdom. So which is it? All men are eligible for their own kingdom and godhood OR they are eternal families with ONE male patriarch. What does the LDS teach on this matter? What have you been taught? Will you rule your own kingdom or will you go to your earthly father’s? It is a very simple question and should have a very straight forward, non evasive answer.
 
Mathew 22:30. Jesus clearly taught that there is NO marriage in heaven.
 
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Yet you are taught that marriage is required for salvation? Do you ever question why or is that not allowed?
 
Marriage is not required for salvation. Salvation, in our language, is life with God in the celestial kingdom. The key to this is faith, repentance and baptism. We are allowed to ask questions, but some things will remain a matter of faith.
 
Sarcelle said:
If eternal marriage is true then the Sadducees would have a point and Jesus would be in a quandary. This is precisely why the Sadducees thought of asking Jesus in the first place since they don’t believe in eternal life.

However Jesus neatly side steps this question by saying there is no marriage in heaven.
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Jesus did not say there is no marriage in heaven. He said there is no marriage or giving in marriage in the resurrection. Big difference. He also said they did not understand “the power of God.” An eternal marriage must be preformed in a special ceremony with the authority or power of God before the time of the resurrection.
 
Just google it please if you are interested and don’t own a Bible.
 
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