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Prodigirl
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Wow. These responses are utterly staggering.
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JimG
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I take it you don’t mean staggering in a *good *way?Wow. These responses are utterly staggering.
What’s really staggering is how soon social security and Medicare will go bankrupt. Now the government can just keep creating money to avoid bankruptcy, but operating insolvently with inflated currency has rather staggering drawbacks itself. It seems that we are about to visit financial collapse on an unsuspecting generation.
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Zoltan_Cobalt
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I find Liz Warren’s “commandments” to be staggering.Wow. These responses are utterly staggering.
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John_Matrix
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Most people said she was vague enough in the bulk of her statements to not take issue, but everyone got off board with the equal marriage and right to my body talk.Wow. These responses are utterly staggering.
The other posts debated how to practially accomplish some of the goals. In order to further the discussion, can you elaborate on your post. Otherwise, it will simply get lost or ignored.
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Michael_Mayo
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If the Republicans would heve let her run the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau she would be within her realm of expertise and not out there for these other issues.
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Seraphim73
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But you are spending a part of your life to acquire that property. If I work 40 hours as an example to pay for a computer and someone steals that computer my property is gone and the 40 hours I spent working is gone forever. As to you second statement that is a good thing to hope for but it’s not relevant to this discussion.That’s not what “life” is. If property were the same thing as life, it wouldn’t need to be listed separately.
Besides, I certainly hope we’re doing more with our time on earth than acquiring property. I would hope that we’re focusing more on our brothers and sisters in Christ than on our earthly possessions.
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Seraphim73
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The high ground to use force to coerce people into doing good to others whether they want to or not?There are only two portions of that that are in any way problematic for a Christian, the references to gay marriage and overturning the Hobby Lobby decision. Everything else in there a true Christian will have no problem with. The tragedy is that we Christians have let secularism take the high ground that we should have.
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Zoltan_Cobalt
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Frankly I fault the entire congress for allowing another useless bureaucracy to be created…no matter WHO runs it.If the Republicans would heve let her run the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau she would be within her realm of expertise and not out there for these other issues.
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sallybutler
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The 40 hours is gone whether or not the computer is stolen.But you are spending a part of your life to acquire that property. If I work 40 hours as an example to pay for a computer and someone steals that computer my property is gone and the 40 hours I spent working is gone forever. As to you second statement that is a good thing to hope for but it’s not relevant to this discussion.
Jesus taught us that we should not store up treasures here on earth, as they can be eaten by moths, destroyed by rust, or stolen by thieves. Worrying too much about things takes ones focus away from God.
I’m not suggesting that one should not have things or property. Only that God wants those to take second place to Him.
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Seraphim73
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Maybe I’m an athiest. You must never forget my friend morality is personal. My morals may be very different from yours. Why do you think you have the right to empower the government to coerce me to conform to your values? As I’ve said before what we are talking about now are the relations between people. I’m not an object to be coerced and strong armed and manipulated into behaving the way you want me to behave. I’m my own person with my own morals, aspirations etc that must be respected.You do NOT have a moral right to pay someone less than a fair and liveable wage. If you define your life by your acquisition of property, then you need to reread (or maybe read for the first time) the Gospels.
As to the question of a so called liveable wage. Who determines what a liveable wage is? You? There is no moral question involved here. Again it’s dogooder busybodies injecting force and coercion into a contract between two supposedly free individuals. And not to do good as the two parties are see their good, but to do good for them as they themselves see fit. You have no more moral right to tell an employer they have to pay someone $15 an hour when their skills and production are only valued at $7.50 an hour than I have a moral right to tell you that you have to pay $30 dollars for a Whopper twice a week.
The whole proposition is absurd on it’s face. No one conducts their lives that way. No one goes to the grocery store and says “oh man this can of corn is worth a dollar but i’m gonna pay ten dollars for it.” And to move on to a more practical point imagine if the government set the price of corn at ten dollars a can. Most people would buy less corn. Everyone understands this instinctively. That being the case why is it so hard for people to make the connection that if you set wages at an artificially high level people will “buy” less labor and in the process actually wind up hurting primarily minorities and the young, the very people you are supposedly helping?
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Seraphim73
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Yes but they could have been spent in leisure with family and friends etc. Instead they were spent working most likely away from those people you love. It is a sacrifice. And I think you are focusing on the wrong question. All the things you say about putting God first are wonderful moral principles but everyone doesn’t share your morals. In a civil society you have to respect those people as well.The 40 hours is gone whether or not the computer is stolen.
Jesus taught us that we should not store up treasures here on earth, as they can be eaten by moths, destroyed by rust, or stolen by thieves. Worrying too much about things takes ones focus away from God.
I’m not suggesting that one should not have things or property. Only that God wants those to take second place to Him.
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Prodigirl
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Over $300 MILLION EACH projected for the Lockheed F-35 fighter jet, 32 of which have been ordered by the Pentagon. There’s some money that would be better spent if dropped into the Social Security program.What’s really staggering is how soon social security and Medicare will go bankrupt.
Oh, there are so many other obscenities …
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CatholicSheila
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Let me fix that for you. I qualify.I have brought up JPII’s idea, discussed in Laborem Exercens, of a “family wage” before. Trouble is that I cannot get one left-winger to acknowledge the morality of paying a family man $25 /hr for a job and a teenager making date money $5 / hr for the same job.
Maybe not as low as $5 but I absolutely support a lower minimum wage for younger workers. The minimum wage laws in Australia are set up to do just this. In fact I think this is a better system than a flat minimum wage for everyone. It gives businesses a choice and an incentive to hire younger workers giving them work experience, whilst also helping to ensure workers of an age to have a family are on a appropriate wage.
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CatholicSheila
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Other countries do it. Consider:Economically, it would make it exponentially more efficient for companies to hire teenagers (and/or people who need work the least), so the family man will have a tough time finding any work at all. I’m not sure how to get around that hurdle.
- younger workers generally don’t have the same availability. They have school for starters.
- younger workers are less experienced, which makes them less attractive.
- older workers, generally, have a better work ethic.
- in customer facing jobs older workers often have more success, especially if they are servicing adult clientèle.
For example, teenagers in Australia will often work in the hospitality. The lower wage more than makes up for the lack of experience, especially in the highly competitive fast food restaurants. Yet, if you go into many retail stores, you will see adults despite the higher minimum wage for adults. A higher level of responsibility and customer service is required in these roles and it seems the retail industry has decided that adults are worth the extra $$.
Teenagers have the highest rate of unemployment in Australia - despite the fact that they are cheaper to employ than adults. So a sliding scale minimum wage does not automatically mean the adults on a higher rate are all out of a job.
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JimG
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Eliminating the F-35’s would save some money, but not enough to solve the problems of Social Security and Medicare. Eliminating a couple of federal agencies, starting with the Dept. of Education, would also help.Over $300 MILLION EACH projected for the Lockheed F-35 fighter jet, 32 of which have been ordered by the Pentagon. There’s some money that would be better spent if dropped into the Social Security program.
Oh, there are so many other obscenities …
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Michael_Mayo
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You still seem to trust the banking industry.Frankly I fault the entire congress for allowing another useless bureaucracy to be created…no matter WHO runs it.
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Prodigirl
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May I ask: what’s your gripe with the Department of Education?Eliminating the F-35’s would save some money, but not enough to solve the problems of Social Security and Medicare. Eliminating a couple of federal agencies, starting with the Dept. of Education, would also help.
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JimG
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The Dept of Ed. started as a cabinet level department in 1980, and it seems that education has gone downhill ever since. Education is a State and local function, not a federal function. The creation of a national education bureaucracy has not been good for education. Somehow local schools managed to educate students pretty well before 1980, not so well now. States, schools, and colleges could do without the interference, and we’d save around $70 billion or more with it’s elimination.May I ask: what’s your gripe with the Department of Education?
Here’s a CATO summary if you’d like to read more.
object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/serials/files/cato-handbook-policymakers/2003/9/hb108-28.pdf
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Michael_Mayo
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It depends on the locality.. Somehow local schools managed to educate students pretty well before 1980, not so well now.
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Zoltan_Cobalt
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Why not?You still seem to trust the banking industry.
I have excellent relations with the two banks that I do business with. I am satisfied with the service they provide and find them honest and trustworthy.
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