Elizabeth Warren's 11 Commandments of Progressivism

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Michael_Mayo said:
Did they need bail out?
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One is Wells Fargo. If you remember, Wells Fargo refused the bail out…but was told by the sec treasury that he would take over the bank if they did not. That’s what happens when you give a bureaucrat free rein with no accountability of over sight or prosecution.

The other is a small bank that was not included in the give-away.
 
JimG said:
The Dept of Ed. started as a cabinet level department in 1980, and it seems that education has gone downhill ever since. Education is a State and local function, not a federal function. The creation of a national education bureaucracy has not been good for education. Somehow local schools managed to educate students pretty well before 1980, not so well now. States, schools, and colleges could do without the interference, and we’d save around $70 billion or more with it’s elimination.

If you could dissolve the Department of Education, where would you put the money that would be realized as a result of its dismantling?
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Having worked for Wells Fargo and been their customer in the past, I say with confidence, they have a lot of bureaucrats.
 
Prodigirl said:
If you could dissolve the Department of Education, where would you put the money that would be realized as a result of its dismantling?
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It’s taxpayer money. It’s money that we should not have to collect from taxpayers. Ideally, it would be a reduction in their taxes. But, as markomalley has already noted, the U.S. currently spends more every day than it takes in, so it would end up being a small reduction to the deficit. Not enough, but a start.
 
CatholicSheila said:
Other countries do it. Consider:
  • younger workers generally don’t have the same availability. They have school for starters.
  • younger workers are less experienced, which makes them less attractive.
  • older workers, generally, have a better work ethic.
  • in customer facing jobs older workers often have more success, especially if they are servicing adult clientèle.
(By younger workers I mean 14 - 20. Minimum wage goes up each year so a 19 year old would be earning more than a 14 year old. By older workers, I mean adults 21 and over)

For example, teenagers in Australia will often work in the hospitality. The lower wage more than makes up for the lack of experience, especially in the highly competitive fast food restaurants. Yet, if you go into many retail stores, you will see adults despite the higher minimum wage for adults. A higher level of responsibility and customer service is required in these roles and it seems the retail industry has decided that adults are worth the extra $$.

Teenagers have the highest rate of unemployment in Australia - despite the fact that they are cheaper to employ than adults. So a sliding scale minimum wage does not automatically mean the adults on a higher rate are all out of a job.
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Wow. Well, if it works, then yes, I think that various minimum wages, based on age, would be a positive thing. 👍
 
Seraphim73 said:
  • “We believe that Wall Street needs stronger rules and tougher enforcement, and we’re willing to fight for it.”
  • “We believe in science, and that means that we have a responsibility to protect this Earth.”
  • “We believe that the Internet shouldn’t be rigged to benefit big corporations, and that means real net neutrality.”
  • “We believe that no one should work full-time and still live in poverty, and that means raising the minimum wage.”
  • “We believe that fast-food workers deserve a livable wage, and that means that when they take to the picket line, we are proud to fight alongside them.”
  • “We believe that students are entitled to get an education without being crushed by debt.”
  • “We believe that after a lifetime of work, people are entitled to retire with dignity, and that means protecting Social Security, Medicare, and pensions.”
  • “We believe—I can’t believe I have to say this in 2014—we believe in equal pay for equal work.”
  • “We believe that equal means equal, and that’s true in marriage, it’s true in the workplace, it’s true in all of America.”
  • “We believe that immigration has made this country strong and vibrant, and that means reform.”
  • "And we believe that corporations are not people, that women have a right to their bodies. We will overturn Hobby Lobby and we will fight for it. We will fight for it!
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The Communist Manifesto? 🤷

Peace, Mark
 
Michael_Mayo said:
Who would provide that accountability and oversight if not another bureaucrat?
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An elected official. Who would have to face his/her angry constituents for resorting to extortion to further government control of private business.
 
Zoltan_Cobalt said:
Were you one of them? 🙂
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Naw. I was a computer programmer. Which meant I had to deal with lots and lots of paperwork created by bureaucrats who knew nothing about what IT did.

Some of it made sense. A lot of it seemed to have been created to justify someone’s little empire.
 
Seraphim73 said:
As to the question of a so called liveable wage. Who determines what a liveable wage is? You? There is no moral question involved here. Again it’s dogooder busybodies injecting force and coercion into a contract between two supposedly free individuals. And not to do good as the two parties are see their good, but to do good for them as they themselves see fit. You have no more moral right to tell an employer they have to pay someone $15 an hour when their skills and production are only valued at $7.50 an hour than I have a moral right to tell you that you have to pay $30 dollars for a Whopper twice a week.

The whole proposition is absurd on it’s face. No one conducts their lives that way. No one goes to the grocery store and says “oh man this can of corn is worth a dollar but i’m gonna pay ten dollars for it.” And to move on to a more practical point imagine if the government set the price of corn at ten dollars a can. Most people would buy less corn. Everyone understands this instinctively. That being the case why is it so hard for people to make the connection that if you set wages at an artificially high level people will “buy” less labor and in the process actually wind up hurting primarily minorities and the young, the very people you are supposedly helping?
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What is a liveable wage for an entrepeneur. How much should an independent farmer or small store operator pay himself? Many salaried people work 60 hours per week. Some school teachers work more. What is a livable hourly wage for somebody who chooses as many or as few hours per week as they need. As a teacher, my wife had little take home work (no papers to grade, no tests to give). She felt lucky because her colleagues had to work evenings and week-ends, yet they were paid comparable salaries. What is fair?
 
Seraphim73 said:
  • “We believe that Wall Street needs stronger rules and tougher enforcement, and we’re willing to fight for it.”
BROOKSLEY BORN GOT HER PROVERBIAL BRAINS BEATEN OUT UNDER PROGRESSIVE PRESIDENT CLINTON FOR PROPOSING REGULATING DERIVATIVES, STILL UNREGULATED TO DATE.:eek:
  • “We believe in science, and that means that we have a responsibility to protect this Earth.”
“WE BELIEVE IN CARBON CREDITS SO THAT ALGORE AND FANNIE MAE CAN DIP THEIR BEAKS INTO THE TRADING OF OFFSETS AND HAVE A PROGRESSIVE CHOKE POINT ON ENERGY USE BY SOCIETY EVEN THOUGH OCEAN WARMING CHANGES CLIMATE AND NOBODY CAN DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.” 👍
  • “We believe that the Internet shouldn’t be rigged to benefit big corporations, and that means real net neutrality.”
NET NEUTRALITY. OTAY. “NSA” RING A BELL? CAN THE PROGRESSIVES WARM UP TO PRIVACY RIGHTS ON INTERNET AND CELLPHONES LIKE THEY FORMERLY SUPPORTED OR IS THIS ANOTHER BELOVED PROGRESSIVE CHOKEPOINT?
  • “We believe that no one should work full-time and still live in poverty, and that means raising the minimum wage.”
NAH. WE JUST NEED MORE CHEAPIE IMMIGRANT LABOR, AND PUNITIVE TAXES THAT DRIVE JOBS OFFSHORE…NOT.😛
  • “We believe that fast-food workers deserve a livable wage, and that means that when they take to the picket line, we are proud to fight alongside them.”
“WE BELIEVE THAT TEACHERS UNIONS THAT RELENTLESSLY PROTECTED TEACHERS’ JOBS WHILE DUMBING DOWN SCHOOLS DESERVE TO HAVE THEIR PENSIONS GUTTED TO SUPPORT THE DUMBED DOWN KIDS THEY PRODUCED.”😃
  • “We believe that students are entitled to get an education without being crushed by debt.”
“WE BELIEVE THAT PRIVATE FUNDING FOR SCHOOL LOANS SHOULD STAY MONOPOLIZED ONLY BY THE GOVERNMENT AS IT CREATES A PERMANENT DEBT THAT CANNOT BE ERASED BY BANKRUPTCY AND ANOTHER CHOKEPOINT OF CONTROL-FREAK PROGRESSIVISM.”
  • “We believe that after a lifetime of work, people are entitled to retire with dignity, and that means protecting Social Security, Medicare, and pensions.”
“WE BELIEVE WE SHOULD DUMP MORE PEOPLE INTO MEDICARE AND NOT GRANT ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO MAKE A HEALTHCARE CHOKEPOINT, THE SOYLENT SOLUTION, INSTEAD OF SPENDING THAT CASH ON MED SCHOOL GRANTS, CREATING A GLUT OF DOCTORS AND LOWERING HEALTHCARE COSTS BECAUSE WE HATE RICH DOCTORS.”🤷
  • “We believe—I can’t believe I have to say this in 2014—we believe in equal pay for equal work.”
“WE BELIEVE IN EQUAL PAY FOR EQUAL WORK EXCEPT IN LIBERAL COLLEGE VENUES AND THE WHITE HOUSE THAT SHOW GROSS INEQUITIES BETWEEN MALE AND FEMALE SALARIES.”
  • “We believe that equal means equal, and that’s true in marriage, it’s true in the workplace, it’s true in all of America.”
“WE BELIEVE IN CULTURAL PREDATION WITH HOMOSEXUALS TAKING OVER THE RAINBOW AND RELIGION IN GENERAL, WHILE GETTING SPECIAL, NOT EQUAL, PROTECTION UNDER THE LAW, AND DEMAND THAT PREGNANT FEMALES NOT BE GIVEN THIS SPECIAL PROTECTION BECAUSE, HEY, THEY’RE NOT COOL.” :eek:
  • “We believe that immigration has made this country strong and vibrant, and that means reform.”
“WE BELIEVE THAT ALL, RICH AND POOR, SHOULD HAVE THE SAME CHEAP LABOR THAT LIMOUSINE LIBERALS ENJOY.”
  • "And we believe that corporations are not people, that women have a right to their bodies. We will overturn Hobby Lobby and we will fight for it. We will fight for it!
BELIEVE THIS: THE ABORTION-BREAST CANCER LINK OF DR. JOEL BRIND’S COMPILATION OF META-DATA HAS BEEN IGNORED, AND PLANNED PARENTHOOD’S BULLYING THE SUSAN G. KOMEN FOUNDATION CONSTITUTES THE REAL PROGRESSIVE’S WAR ON WOMEN, THAT TRAFFICKING IN SOULS, WITH ABORTION TARGETING FEMALE BABIES AS A BONUS ANTI-FEMALE “WOMEN AND CHILDREN LAST” ASSAULT. 😦

Have fun my friends. I’ll hop on later with my take.
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magnet said:
What is a liveable wage for an entrepeneur. How much should an independent farmer or small store operator pay himself? Many salaried people work 60 hours per week. Some school teachers work more. What is a livable hourly wage for somebody who chooses as many or as few hours per week as they need. As a teacher, my wife had little take home work (no papers to grade, no tests to give). She felt lucky because her colleagues had to work evenings and week-ends, yet they were paid comparable salaries. What is fair?
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When I first started working, my supervisor said told me there were only two reasons for constant overtime. One was that there person was not capable of doing the work and the other was that there was too much work for one person. In the first case, The employee should be retrained or replaced. In the second more people should be hired.

Having been the salaried person who didn’t get paid overtime and was not the only one putting in the hours, I am going with the latter in most cases. Especially since I’m now a contractor who is not allowed to work overtime because I would have to be paid. Amazing how companies will find the money to hire more people if they need the work done and they have to pay for it.

Choosing to work these hours may not be the right phrase. Having a commitment to team members, the students, and the work in spite of what the employer is usually requiring is why teachers and others put in the kind of hours you are talking about. Also a fear of having no paycheck. Many employers (not all) exploit this, knowing they should pay overtime or hire more workers from a moral standpoint.
 
sallybutler said:
Choosing to work these hours may not be the right phrase. Having a commitment to team members, the students, and the work in spite of what the employer is usually requiring is why teachers and others put in the kind of hours you are talking about. Also a fear of having no paycheck. Many employers (not all) exploit this, knowing they should pay overtime or hire more workers from a moral standpoint.
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Simply knowing that they should hire more people isn’t always enough.

The company my husband works for, has been looking for someone to hire for 6 months. So far, no one is qualified. So, right now, the only option is for my husband to put in the extra hours. And engineers are exempt from overtime. So no extra pay.
 
sallybutler said:
Having been the salaried person who didn’t get paid overtime and was not the only one putting in the hours, I am going with the latter in most cases. Especially since I’m now a contractor who is not allowed to work overtime because I would have to be paid. Amazing how companies will find the money to hire more people if they need the work done and they have to pay for it.
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Thirty years ago, I worked as a computer programmer under a tyrant. He would launch into rush projects to impress his boss and expect his employees to show up for work on weekends to finish the work in record time. He would keep count of how many times I used the restroom or how many trips I made to the coffee room. When I complained to human resources, he fired me.

That’s when I decided to work as a contractor. No more slave labor. If I had to come in on weekends or at night, it showed up on my time sheet.
 
maryjk said:
Simply knowing that they should hire more people isn’t always enough.

The company my husband works for, has been looking for someone to hire for 6 months. So far, no one is qualified. So, right now, the only option is for my husband to put in the extra hours. And engineers are exempt from overtime. So no extra pay.
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I had that experience once where it took over 6 months to hire someone. They could have hired someone with the basic requirements and comparable skills and taught them the company specific skills in the same six months. I argured with my boss in the beginning to take that approach. After 6 months they hired somewone with the industry skills and taught them the product specific subset of skills we needed.
 
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