Elmo: Refugee kids are just like us

[josie_L]

It’s especially galling to me because Catholics were in that spot a hundred and fifty years ago as the Irish and Poles came here. “The papists are going to overthrow the country!” We of all people should be welcoming.

Yes, I agree we should help refugees, but that doesn’t mean we should assume that everyone claiming to be a refugee is actually a refugee. I think compassion and common sense need to be used here, when dealing with the refugee/migrant crisis.

p.s. I don’t think for example that the thousands of migrants flooding Italy are actually refugees, nor is Italy capable monetarily to help these people.

 

[dvdjs]

Yes, I agree we should help refugees, but that doesn’t mean we should assume that everyone claiming to be a refugee is actually a refugee. I think compassion and common sense need to be used here, when dealing with the refugee/migrant crisis.

p.s. I don’t think for example that the thousands of migrants flooding Italy are actually refugees, nor is Italy capable monetarily to help these people.

Of course. The process for obtaining refugee status and entering the US is a long and careful one. i don;'t think that anyone has suggested that it should be otherwise/

 

[josie_L]

Of course. The process for obtaining refugee status and entering the US is a long and careful one. i don;'t think that anyone has suggested that it should be otherwise/

Yes, but the refugee/migrant crisis affects more than the US, and that was my point. Countries like Italy (where I have family) are swarming with refugees/migrants who are causing a lot economic distress for Italians and Italy in general.

p.s. Not even sure if many people landing in Italy could be termed “refugees”.

 

[EasterJoy]

Yes, but the refugee/migrant crisis affects more than the US, and that was my point. Countries like Italy (where I have family) are swarming with refugees/migrants who are causing a lot economic distress for Italians and Italy in general.

p.s. Not even sure if many people landing in Italy could be termed “refugees”.

What about the distress these people are running from? Can the two be compared? Would Italy perhaps have less distress if there were more places welcoming these poor souls?

Should Egypt have not welcomed the Holy Family as they fled Herod? What is the difference between St. Joseph’s immigration and the reasons these families are fleeing, excepting that some were displaced with no decision offered to them about it?

Elmo, by the way, was not talking about anyone who can’t fairly be called a refugee. He’s talking about children.

 

[josie_L]

What about the distress these people are running from? Can the two be compared? Would Italy perhaps have less distress if there were more places welcoming these poor souls?

I think they’re looking for a better life, but I don’t think their lives are in distress, although that has a rather broad meaning to it, so I can’t really answer your question with exactitude. Moreover, Italy in and of itself is in economic distress (that I do know), i.e., it cannot take in these refugees/migrants flooding their shores when Italy/Italians monetarily speaking are suffering. The situation could very well implode.

Should Egypt have not welcomed the Holy Family as they fled Herod? What is the difference between St. Joseph’s immigration and the reasons these families are fleeing, excepting that some were displaced with no decision offered to them about it?

I don’t think two people could stretch the economy of Egypt much.

Elmo, by the way, was not talking about anyone who can’t fairly be called a refugee. He’s talking about children.

Why even use Elmo unless you’re trying to play on the emotions of children and their parents?

p.s. It’s like David Suzuki asking for funding to his foundation by claiming that Santa Claus would drown due to Arctic melting if we didn’t?? It plays on the emotions of children and their parents and I find that manipulative to say the least.

 

[josie_L]

I never mentioned Islam, only that I doubt that many of them are refugees. Now if they came from Syria, Iraq, Libya, places suffering under ISIS control, then I would consider them refugees in need of a haven.

p.s. You know that Italy doesn’t have the means to help these people without its own economy going bust. And the very oil rich countries in the Middle East could help in administering succor to refugees instead of relying on Europe to do all the work.

 

[josie_L]

Oh, by the way, has Russia accepted any refugees?

 

[J_Peterson]

Yes, but the refugee/migrant crisis affects more than the US, and that was my point. Countries like Italy (where I have family) are swarming with refugees/migrants who are causing a lot economic distress for Italians and Italy in general.

p.s. Not even sure if many people landing in Italy could be termed “refugees”.

In the case of America, If Trump’s travel ban was always the law, zero lives would have been saved. This article details the terrorist attacks since 1997 and they concluded that only 2 of them could have possibly been prevented but zero deaths would have been prevented.

The travel ban going into effect would have saved zero lives from terrorist attacks in the last 20 years

The fear is misguided. We already vet the refugees. If you think this travel ban is necessary you’ve been tricked.

 

[josie_L]

Good, then they can accept more, since, Italy is incapable of helping the migrants flooding their shores.

 

[starshiptrooper]

Putin also stated that Russia does not need minorities, minorities need Russia and instead of whining about discrimination, they can go elsewhere. In other words, he is not going to compromise the integrity of his country to please the globalists.

I doubt you will ever see this happening in Russia.

 

[starshiptrooper]

In short, Russia insists on integration and emphasizes patriotism unlike Europe and most of the West.

 

[josie_L]

Nope, that’s not what I said, I said OIL-RICH MIDDLE EASTERN countries, like Saudia Arabia, Qatar, UAE. . .

p.s. I think only Iran has taken refugees in.

 

[josie_L]

Just so everyone’s clear and no one attempts to take me out of context and/or manipulate my words, I agree with helping REFUGEES, if, in fact, they actually are refugees.

Economic migrants seeking a better life are NOT REFUGEES.

Refugee

A refugee is a person who has fled armed conflict or persecution and who is recognised as needing of international protection because it is too dangerous for them to return home. They are protected under international law by the 1951 refugee convention, which defines what a refugee is and outlines the basic rights afforded to them.
The convention’s basic principle is that refugees should not be expelled or returned to situations where their life and freedom would be under threat. Once someone has been recognised as a refugee, they are supposed to be given access to social housing and welfare benefits and helped to find a job and integrate into society. The UN refugee agency (UNHCR) estimates that there are almost 60 million forcibly displaced people around the world, including those displaced within their own countries.

theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/28/migrants-refugees-and-asylum-seekers-whats-the-difference

 

[josie_L]

Jordan’s an oil rich nation? What about Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Qatar, UAE, those are whom I’m referring to?

 

[Sarcelle]

Jordan is not an oil rich nation.

In fact, Jordanians have told me that contrary to popular belief, Jordan is not rolling in the petro dollars like Saudi Arabia.

Josie has specifically mentioned oil rich nations of the Middle East in her post. You counter example of Jordan is a rather poor one.

By the way, I read somewhere that the reason why Saudi Arabia was not accepting more migrants was that there would be too much of a culture clash if they did.

 

[pnewton]

I doubt you will ever see “http:returnofkings.com/120949/germany-takes-first-step-towards-legalizing-rape-when-committed-by-muslim-men” (disabled link) this happening in Russia

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I would like to warn people not to visit this site, since the above poster did not think a warning is needed. It is vulgar and offensive, with the article written by someone who has no business being referenced on a Christian site. The article is some made up opinion and has nothing to offer that would appeal to a Christian.

 

[josie_L]

Jordan is not an oil rich nation.

In fact, Jordanians have told me that contrary to popular belief, Jordan is not rolling in the petro dollars like Saudi Arabia.

Josie has specifically mentioned oil rich nations of the Middle East in her post. You counter example of Jordan is a rather poor one.

By the way, I read somewhere that the reason why Saudi Arabia was not accepting more migrants was that there would be too much of a culture clash if they did.

Why do I feel that every time I say something on this subject, the actual point I’m making always gets lost in the melee of emotions it evokes in people?

 

[josie_L]

I find it rather droll that Russia would be considered some human rights haven.

 

[josie_L]

Ah, yes, the U.S. that great violator of human rights, I mean look how shabbily they treat their people and people abroad.

p.s. You know it might help if you and your wife were a little honest about the many human rights violations occurring in Russia. It doesn’t sound like their respecters of diversity really.

 

[Sarcelle]

You were saying earlier that Americans shouldn’t say anything about what Russia would would not do, yet here you are talking about what the US is or is not.

It seems like you think we Americans are stupid.