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The establishment of the State of Israel was done by a UN general assembly resolution. The Catholic Church places no Eschatological significance on the event.
That does not mean there *is *no Eschatological significance; it just means that the Church has not declared infallibly as to its significance or lack thereof. “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.”

I have to deal with questions like this from the Protestants on some of the End-Times boards I frequent. We (the Roman Catholic Church) are NOT the “Church of True Believers in Christ Jesus” down on the corner with maybe 200 people attending at Christmas and Easter. Unlike them and most of the other Protestant confessions, we have more than a billion members around the world looking to Pope Francis for leadership. The Mainstream Media (MSM) in America don’t pay attention to what John Hagee or Rick Warren say unless it’s something sensational (and the MSM overseas certainly don’t care); but Pope Francis’ statements during Sunday homilies (and frequently his weekday homilies and his mid-day audiences) are analyzed around the world for nuances and subtle shifts in policy. (Except by the MSM – they think “nuance” is some kind of French pastry.) And unlike ALL of the Protestant confessions, WE claim the charism of infallibility: what was pronounced true a thousand years ago is still held as true today.

This gives the Magisterium a special burden in regards to Israel. Modern Israel is NOT a holy place: in its short history, many of its presidents have been charged with criminal activity, and one was found guilty of rape. Israel’s abortion rate continues to drop, but it still is about 1,000 per week – about 1 in every 4 pregnancies ends in abortion. The Vatican currently has strong disagreements with Israel over issues such as taxation of religious sites and its treatment of Arab Christians.

Given all this, and not even considering the world-wide political implications of such an act, the Vatican is NOT going to declare that Modern Israel is the return of Scriptural Israel (i.e., the Valley of Dry Bones described in Isaiah). That does not mean that there are not strong movements inside the Church both for and against, but it has not been declared one way or another by the Magisterium.
Again, there is nothing in Church teaching concerning any of this. You seem to be confusing the teaching of the Catholic Church with the dispensationalist theology of certain protestant sects.
Dispensationalism (or Millennialism) is a heresy Remember, though, a heresy is a truth that is out of balance with other truths. It’s not that the Church does not recognize the growth and development in our relationship with G_D over the ages; it’s that heretical sects have taken that truth and forced into a theology that teaches the completion of G_D’s Salvation History within the arc of time. This heresy goes back to the 4th and 5th centuries as Chialism (officially condemned as heresy by the Council of Ephesus in 431AD), so it’s been around for a long time.

My point in all of this is the Church’s teachings on Eschatology are, by necessity, bare-bones. This is because the Holy Spirit has not revealed to the Magisterium all SORTS of things related to the End Times: for example, who will be the Man of Sin? (Remember that, just as we do not know, neither does the Evil One. This means the Evil One has had to keep a whole slew of understudies ready to step on the world stage at a moment’s notice.) What we have that the Protestants DON’T have is close to 2,000 years of APPROVED prophecies, visions, and locutions from saints. These are by no means infallible, being non-scriptural, but they can be used as markers and guides.

My greatest fear in all of this is that people are sensing SOMETHING IS COMING, and all we are doing is telling them, “Don’t worry, the end is not near, it is not coming in our lifetimes, go back to sleep.” If we do not avail ourselves of the above-mentioned “markers and guides”, we will lose them to Protestant groups who will tell them, “THIS is what it means. Don’t bother praying the Rosary, that will do you no good! Just read Scripture, and G_D will tell you what to do!” I want to be able to tell people, when they are asking “What is happening?”, that one possible explanation is this, that was prophesied by St. so-and-so. It’s not a complete answer, but neither does it leave them in the dark.
 
There are no signs of the end of times and your biblical references point to nothing. You are simply speculating without any basis. We are not seeing any prophecies fulfilled and the Church does not have any teachings OR position on that. It is simply your private opinion.
Of course! That’s what “IMNSHO” (In My Not-So-Humble Opinion) means!
 
Of course! That’s what “IMNSHO” (In My Not-So-Humble Opinion) means!
The “not so humble” part implies you know better than the Church. The Church has no position on that which to me shows that it is not true and your opinion is absolutely baseless.
 
Oh for Pete’s sake! Spell it out from beginning to end?

Ain’t gonna happen.

Are you looking for a timetable? Only the Father knows.

Scripture talks about signs, but there’s nothing there to point to a specific date, or even what’s going to happen first. We won’t know the day, but we can know the times and season.

So what is it that you’re looking for?
Do you agree we are at the point in time where we can understand ALL of what Jesus said certain prophecies could only be understood in the end times?
 
Do you agree we are at the point in time where we can understand ALL of what Jesus said certain prophecies could only be understood in the end times?
No, but I think we are rapidly approaching that point in time.
 
The “not so humble” part implies you know better than the Church. The Church has no position on that which to me shows that it is not true and your opinion is absolutely baseless.
That’s one way to look at it. Another way is that it is a simple acknowledgement of the human condition of being a sinner, therefore humility is elusive. Once you think you have it, you don’t. I don’t see an inference either for or against the belief that one knows better, or lesser than the Church in that declaration.
 
As a Protestant considering the Catholic Church I am interested to know of catholic beliefs concerning the end of days. If this in the wrong place mods can feel free to move it. Do Catholics believe that we are living in the end times or at least they are fast approaching? When ever I watch the news or whatnot seems to confirm that perception therefore do Catholics believe so? I am genuinely interested in hearing what the Church says about this.
Robert Bellarmine (my patron Saint) expected the end times to include a time where the Catholic Church is forbidden from celebrating the Eucharist. I am not looking forward to that time. My Lord Jesus Christ, I am not looking forward to that time.
 
Robert Bellarmine (my patron Saint) expected the end times to include a time where the Catholic Church is forbidden from celebrating the Eucharist. I am not looking forward to that time. My Lord Jesus Christ, I am not looking forward to that time.
We are moving into the age of thought crimes. Not only does a person not have the right to hold an opinion, and express it in the privacy of their own home without severe repercussions as in the case of the owner of the clippers, but someone just lost their job for defending the right of that owner to express his opinion in the privacy of his home. He was not supporting the content of the speech, but his right in a free society to exercise his first amendment right to free speech. This new form of thought, and speech tyranny is being extremely rapidly, and aggressively imposed. The people who like to impose themselves on others seem to be the ones who gravitate to positions of power so they can make violation of their imposition have real, and severe consequences. This imo will inevitably lead to outlawing Bibles, and Church services no matter the content of the sermons as hate speech in violation of a federal hate crime law. It wouldn’t be inconceivable that the mere act of holding a Christian Church service will be considered discrimination against a protected class of Citizen.

I am waiting for the *** marriage version of R v Wade to go through the supreme court, and it becoming a violation of federal law to refuse to marry a *** couple in a Catholic Church thereby closing the Church, and imprisoning the pastor. I think if that were to become a reality, every single Catholic Church in this country will be challenged.
The culture change in this world has been so sudden, and so pervasive, I can see the criminalization of Christianity, and there by the removal the of the Eucharist happening in my lifetime, and I’m 55. I can also see the surveillance state progressing to the point where all human activity will be electronically monitored making even underground Church services extremely difficult if not nearly impossible. They already have license plate readers so they know the location of vehicles. Most of us carry gps devices with us. Even if we walk, and don’t carry electronic devices with us. Photographing movement on every street along with an algorithm to determine how many people are converging in one place is easily feasible if it doesn’t already exist.

While I have no idea where we are eschatologically, my observation is that the infrastructure for the complete control, and surveillance of humanity by the Antichrist is largely in place. I think watching closely what happens with rfdi chips is important. The technology for smart tattoos also exists. If the Government can force people to buy something whether they want it or not, they can also make chip implantation non optional. A scientist recently said microchipping will not be optional. my-city.asia/blog/british-scientists-says-human-microchipping-will-be-mandatory/ The time of not being able to buy, or sell without a chip sure seems to be on the horizon.

This is all speculation on my part of course, but it seems this is the direction the worlds compass points, and it all could very easily become reality, and very quickly.
 
That’s one way to look at it. Another way is that it is a simple acknowledgement of the human condition of being a sinner, therefore humility is elusive. Once you think you have it, you don’t. I don’t see an inference either for or against the belief that one knows better, or lesser than the Church in that declaration.
I guess you haven’t read his posts carefully then!!
 
When it comes to end times it just seems to me that throughout the centuries since Christianity began that someone it seems think that the world is going to end because of the current events of the times. There has been neoapocalyptic authors and doom sayers, new-age prophets warning of some disaster that will take place at a certain time . it comes down to making predictions that this ore that that is going on now means this or that and that the end is near if not upon us.

It seems to me that many misunderstand just what Jesus was saying in Matthew 24 concerning when the end is here. yes, we are in the end times since there is no new revelations to be made, because Jesus gave all we need to know for our salvation, That being said what good would it be to know the exact time when it does end? Will it help one in one’s salvation? Would it not be better to try to live as Jesus taught through His Catholic Church then worrying about what is going to happen? When or if the end times are here or soon to be here? If it is to be then I doubt that anyone will be able to change it. In the end Jesus will come when He comes and when He does everyone will know and no one will need to tell anyone where He is as everyone will know.
 
We are moving into the age of thought crimes. Not only does a person not have the right to hold an opinion, and express it in the privacy of their own home without severe repercussions as in the case of the owner of the clippers, but someone just lost their job for defending the right of that owner to express his opinion in the privacy of his home. He was not supporting the content of the speech, but his right in a free society to exercise his first amendment right to free speech.

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While I have no idea where we are eschatologically, my observation is that the infrastructure for the complete control, and surveillance of humanity by the Antichrist is largely in place. I think watching closely what happens with rfdi chips is important. The technology for smart tattoos also exists. If the Government can force people to buy something whether they want it or not, they can also make chip implantation non optional. A scientist recently said microchipping will not be optional. my-city.asia/blog/british-scientists-says-human-microchipping-will-be-mandatory/ The time of not being able to buy, or sell without a chip sure seems to be on the horizon.

This is all speculation on my part of course, but it seems this is the direction the worlds compass points, and it all could very easily become reality, and very quickly.
As a former librarian and a current free-speech advocate, I agree with you re: the owner of the Clippers. (BTW: Can you provide a link or citation to the report about the person losing their job over this free-speech issue? Thanks!)

RE: RFIDs and “smart tattoos” – You might be interested in the book and the blog, both titled “Unveiling the Apocalypse: Prophecy in Catholic Tradition” by Emmett O’Regan. In one chapter he makes a case that smartphone technology will lead to not being able to buy or sell without having “the mark”. In parts of Africa, it’s too dangerous to carry cash, and the banking system isn’t developed enough to use bank cards or debit cards, so people have started using their cell phones to transfer money when buying things. It’s possible that society will come to view actual cash money (at least more than pocket change) as something that only criminals like drug dealers will carry, because its flow is untraceable. Right now, some stores won’t accept $50 or $100 bills, both to keep the amount of cash in their register low and because of counterfeiting concerns.

So what happens when stores stop accepting $20 bills and start moving to using PayPal or some other 3rd-party transaction system?
 
As a former librarian and a current free-speech advocate, I agree with you re: the owner of the Clippers. (BTW: Can you provide a link or citation to the report about the person losing their job over this free-speech issue? Thanks!)

RE: RFIDs and “smart tattoos” – You might be interested in the book and the blog, both titled “Unveiling the Apocalypse: Prophecy in Catholic Tradition” by Emmett O’Regan. In one chapter he makes a case that smartphone technology will lead to not being able to buy or sell without having “the mark”. In parts of Africa, it’s too dangerous to carry cash, and the banking system isn’t developed enough to use bank cards or debit cards, so people have started using their cell phones to transfer money when buying things. It’s possible that society will come to view actual cash money (at least more than pocket change) as something that only criminals like drug dealers will carry, because its flow is untraceable. Right now, some stores won’t accept $50 or $100 bills, both to keep the amount of cash in their register low and because of counterfeiting concerns.

So what happens when stores stop accepting $20 bills and start moving to using PayPal or some other 3rd-party transaction system?
Here’s a link. youngcons.com/all-this-man-did-was-twwet-that-donald-sterling-has-a-right-to-privacy-guess-what-happened-to-him/
There are a bunch of them out there.

I think that it will be either a chip or a smart tattoo of some kind on the forehead, or right hand. What ever it is, if it’s required for transactions, and you don’t have one, no purchase.
It is actually very recently that the technology was available for this. Prior to this they could tell you that you couldn’t buy or sell, but there was no way to ensure it without this technology.
 
When it comes to end times it just seems to me that throughout the centuries since Christianity began that someone it seems think that the world is going to end because of the current events of the times. There has been neoapocalyptic authors and doom sayers, new-age prophets warning of some disaster that will take place at a certain time . it comes down to making predictions that this ore that that is going on now means this or that and that the end is near if not upon us.

It seems to me that many misunderstand just what Jesus was saying in Matthew 24 concerning when the end is here. yes, we are in the end times since there is no new revelations to be made, because Jesus gave all we need to know for our salvation, That being said what good would it be to know the exact time when it does end? Will it help one in one’s salvation? Would it not be better to try to live as Jesus taught through His Catholic Church then worrying about what is going to happen? When or if the end times are here or soon to be here? If it is to be then I doubt that anyone will be able to change it. In the end Jesus will come when He comes and when He does everyone will know and no one will need to tell anyone where He is as everyone will know.
It’s impossible to say when these things are going to happen, but there is no problem with keeping one’s eyes open, and reading the signs of the times. Yes it’s true that people have thought the events of their time meant the world was coming to an end, but one day someone is going to be right.
 
It’s impossible to say when these things are going to happen, but there is no problem with keeping one’s eyes open, and reading the signs of the times. Yes it’s true that people have thought the events of their time meant the world was coming to an end, but one day someone is going to be right.
Hi cranster: I agree with you. It is my opinion that it is better to try to live as Christ taught us through first His Apostles, and through His Catholic Church than to worry about when the end is here. I think Jesus said that we should be prepared for the end, yet, not worry about it as those things were going to happen anyway and most likely nothing can be done about it anyway. I guess one could try to name a time when all these things natural disasters etc wars etc. did not happen. Throughout history since Cain and Able man has done evil on some manor or way, much different than what Adam and Eve did. And it appears that it will continue till Christ returns.

For me personally I like to think that when Christ returns I will see Him and will not need anyone to tell me that he has returned, if there are tribulations Before Christ returns we do no know with any certainty. Tribulations can be anything that is currently going on in the world today and how long that will go on is anyone’s guess. What it import it seems to me is that we live the Gospels as best as one can till the time when Christ does return whether it is in one’s lifetime or not.
 
Hi cranster: I agree with you. It is my opinion that it is better to try to live as Christ taught us through first His Apostles, and through His Catholic Church than to worry about when the end is here. I think Jesus said that we should be prepared for the end, yet, not worry about it as those things were going to happen anyway and most likely nothing can be done about it anyway. I guess one could try to name a time when all these things natural disasters etc wars etc. did not happen. Throughout history since Cain and Able man has done evil on some manor or way, much different than what Adam and Eve did. And it appears that it will continue till Christ returns.

For me personally I like to think that when Christ returns I will see Him and will not need anyone to tell me that he has returned, if there are tribulations Before Christ returns we do no know with any certainty. Tribulations can be anything that is currently going on in the world today and how long that will go on is anyone’s guess. What it import it seems to me is that we live the Gospels as best as one can till the time when Christ does return whether it is in one’s lifetime or not.
At 55 with one heart attack already under my belt, my end I’m sure is going to come a whole heck of a lot sooner than the end of the world. That’s the end I’m preparing for.
 
At 55 with one heart attack already under my belt, my end I’m sure is going to come a whole heck of a lot sooner than the end of the world. That’s the end I’m preparing for.
Hi cranster: I am sorry to hear that you have had a heart attack, but I hope and pray that you do not have another one. I am in somewhat agreement with you that one’s end most likely will happen before the end of the world etc. if I am to worry about when and how the world is going to end and if all that is happening today in the world I would not have time to at least to try to live as Christ wants us to live. How do we live the Gospels? we do as Jesus taught us and help our fellow man in whatever way we can. This can be done with a smile or a helping, treating others as we want to be treated. standing up for what it right etc. There is so much things one can do that might help in making the world a better place till Christ’s return. How one does it is up to the individual.
 
Greetings in Christ,

According to biblical witness and the [CCC 670]; “the last hour” and the “final age” started after Pentecost.

[CCC 670] Since the Ascension God’s plan has entered into its fulfillment. We are already at “the last hour”. “Already the final age of the world is with us, and the renewal of the world is irrevocably under way; it is even now anticipated in a certain real way, for the Church on earth is endowed already with a sanctity that is real but imperfect.” Christ’s kingdom already manifests its presence through the miraculous signs that attend its proclamation by the Church.

[CCC 670] is only a frame of past events and yet to be fulfilled biblical prophecies.

As far as I know; The Magisterium doesn’t explain and does not teach the details of this “final age.”
We don’t have to be ignorant of the details of this “final age” because the Scripture gives us detailed information.

If we study the Scripture, we can see; the final and perfect eternal state is described in Rev.21:1-4; V. 4; “And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying; and there shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”

According to Scriptural witness; Between Pentecost and Rev.21:1-4 there are TWO VERY DISTINCT TIME PERIODS.

FIRST TIME PERIOD
The first time period is between Pentecost and Christ’s II Coming.

SECOND TIME PERIOD
The second time period is between Christ’s II Coming and the fulfillment of Rev.21:1-4.

If we study the Scripture we find detailed teaching on both time periods.

FIRST TIME PERIOD
Between Pentecost and Christ’s II Coming.

To see the whole picture it is beneficial to have a short over view of Satan’s “creation;” Mystery, Babylon the Great, the Mother of Harlots and of the Abominations of the Earth.

As Satan is the ruler and the god of this corrupt world system through his religion he plays a very significant role in human affairs.
In both Christian and Commerce.

In fact this corrupt world is literally and officially his kingdom and he is the ruler and the god of his kingdom. – Matt.4:8-9; Luke 4:5-7; John 14:30; 2 Cor.4:3-4.

Rev.17:1-6 is Ecclesiastical Babylon.
Satan has planted his false apostles (harlot) into the Church in sheep’s clothing at the beginning . – Matt.13:24-30; 36:42. etc.

The Catholic Church is the Bride of Christ. – To mix together the Catholic Church (Bride of Christ) with Satan’s false apostles (harlot) is lack of theological knowledge and a great mistake.

Some Protestants wrongly believe; the Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon.
If they would study Matt.13:24-30, 36-42 they would see their mistakes.

Rev.17:16-17 is commercial and political Babylon.
Satan controls the politics and the economy of the world through his secret societies.

Of course Satan’s “lease” on the world is running out day by day and Christ will take away his kingdom and instantly re-creates it.

THE ORIGION OF SATAN’S FALSE RELIGION THE WHORE OF BANYLON

Nearly two hundred years after the flood of Noah, by using Noah’s grandson Cush and his son Nimrod, Satan has founded his false religion which has developed into the Whore of Babylon of Rev.17:1-6.

Cush was one of the early patriarch, he become the leader of many.
He did not follow God’s commandment to fill the earth but did the opposite.

He began to unite everyone into one nation. This was the beginning of the unification movement, which is in fact, still continues today. Today’s “New World Order” is not new at all. It is a VERY OLD order.

The Bible tells us the beginning of the apostasy at the Tower of Babel a major rebellion against God and His commandments. (Gen.11:1-4.)

Nimrod eventually began the first empire the Assyrian/Babylonian Empire. The names Cush and Nimrod became incorporated into the cultures and mythologies of many empires since the Tower.

The religion Satan has founded by using Cush and Nimrod was the beginning of polytheism, the worship of many gods.
The SNAKE, SUN and FIRE became their symbols of god on earth.

Nimrod, through the empire and religion of Babylon, began to unite the people – all under his “ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT,” and “ONE WORLD RELIGION.”

This satanic Babylonian religious system – the knowledge, authority, beliefs and culture – eventually molded and assimilated into EACH POLITICAL EMPIRE, and RELIGIOUS THEOLOGY that succeeded the former.

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According to the Scripture, this satanic Babylonian RELIGIOUS SYSTEM, and POLITICAL SYSTEM is: MYSTERY BABYLON.

The rise of Christianity, eventually, pushed this SATANIC RELIGION undercover. – Matt.7:15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you IN SHEEP’S CLOTHING, but inwardly they are RAVENOUS WOLVES.”

They are SATAN’S FALSE APOSTLES, members of the Whore of Babylon.
With the permission of God (only God knows the reason), Satan has planted his FALSE APOSTLES into the Catholic Church, at the beginning of Christianity. (Matt.13:38b-39; 2 Cor.11:13-15; 2 Pet.2:1-2)

We can read the warnings REPEATEDLY and CONTINUALLY throughout the Scripture.

FOR EXAMPLE: Acts 20:29-32; Matt.7:15-16; Matt.24:4, 11, 24; 2 Cor.11:13-15; 1 Tim.4:1-3; 2 Pet.2:1-3; Jude 4.

2 Pet.2:1-3; “But there WERE also false prophets among the people, even as there WILL BE false teachers AMONG YOU, who will SECRETLY bring in destructive HERESIES, … and MANY will follow their destructive ways.”

Jude 4; “Certain people have SECRETLY INFILTRATED AMONG YOU.”

Despite of the infiltration by Satan’s false apostles, Christ has promised; Even the gates of hell will not prevail against the Church.

GOD PROTECTS THE CHURCH FROM THE TEACHING OF THE FALSE APOSTLES AS FOLLOWES;
  1. God has given us the mental ability and the aid of the Holy Spirit to understand His Word.
    We must accept the interpretation of the Holy Spirit.
  2. If we don’t want to be mislead: We must obey the COMMAND OF GOD GIVEN TO US FOR OUR PROTECTION described in 2 Cor.13:5; 1 Thess.5:24 + Acts 17:11 + 1 John 2:26-27.
  3. If we do the tests, in 1 John 2:26-27 we have God’s PROMISE:
    We DO NOT NEED anyone to teach us, because the Holy Spirit teaches us concerning ALL THINGS and we will never be deceived.
KEY POINTS OF THE FIRST TIME PERIOD
  1. This world at the first time period is the KINGDOM OF SATAN. (Matt.4:8-9; Luke 4:5-7)
  2. Satan’s false apostles in sheep’s clothing infiltrated the Church from the beginning.
    Their infiltration of the Church continues throughout in the first time period (Matt.13:30) and with their secretly brought in doctrines of demons they deceive many people. – Matt.24:4-5, 11, 24; 2 Pet.2:1-3.
  3. We must obey the COMMAND OF GOD GIVEN TO US FOR OUR PROTECTION described in 2 Cor.13:5; 1 Thess.5:24 + Acts 17:11 + 1 John 2:26-27.
  4. If we do the tests, in 1 John 2:26-27 we have God’s PROMISE:
    We DO NOT NEED anyone to teach us, because the Holy Spirit teaches us concerning ALL THINGS and we will never be deceived.
THE SIGNS OF CHRIST’S II COMING WHICH WILL COMPLETE THE FIRST TIME PERIOD BY TAKING OVER SATAN’S KNIGDOM ON EARTH

People will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons. – 1 Tim.4:1-3; 2 Pet.2:1-3; Matt.24:4-5, 11, 24.

There will be great tribulation, such has not been and no ever shall be. – Matt.24:21-22.

Religious prosecutions, lawlessness. – Mat.24:9-12. etc.

Every sign points to the closeness of the end of the FIRST TIME PERIOD when Christ will take over Satan’s kingdom on earth.

THE CHANGEOVER FROM THE FIRST TIME PERIOD TO THE SECOND TIME PERIOD WILL TAKE PLACE AT CHIST’S II COMING

The outline of God’s prophecies, that the KINGDOM OF SATAN becomes the KINGDOM OF GOD, is very detailed in the Bible.
  1. The DURATION of God’s Kingdom on earth is described in Daniel 2:44; Daniel 7:14; Daniel 7:27.
  2. The time of the CHANGEOVER of the KINGDOM from Satan to Christ, described in Daniel 7:13-14; Daniel 7:21-22; DANIEL 7:26-27; REVELATION 11:15.
  3. The CLEANING up of the Kingdom of God ON EARTH is described in Matthew 13:41-42.
  4. The LIFE IN THE KINGDOM OF GOD ON EARTH is described in Isaiah 11:6-9; Isaiah 51:3; Isaiah 52:9-10; Isaiah 65:20-25; Zechariah 8:3-8.
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