End Times Speculation the alternate approach

[openmind77]

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David was talking about The people of the time of the message and the few hundred years after before a Religion reaches its critical mass and explodes into acceptance.

Few hundred years? We are not living in the 1st century or the 7th century or the 19th century! This the 21st century! What I am typing right now, can be read on the other side of the word as soon as I enter submit, even from the ISS in outer space. Information is passed to every corner in an instant.

The Number of Baha’is is amazing given it is only 172 years from its start. Now if you say it is because of modern communications and abilities, then it is just another proof of the promised times.

Obama has 70 million twitter followers in 8 years. Modi (Indian PM) has 12 million in 3 years (I won’t even mention people like Bieber). The first 150 years of Bahaullah may have an excuse for less than 10 million Bahais, but if you can’t get 50 million followers in the last 20 years, I can guarantee that it will never happen.

 

[worldcitizen]

Bumped over from the Jesus Krishna thread, as off topic.

David was talking about The people of the time of the message and the few hundred years after before a Religion reaches its critical mass and explodes into acceptance.

The Number of Baha’is is amazing given it is only 172 years from its start. Now if you say it is because of modern communications and abilities, then it is just another proof of the promised times.

Openmind77, every time you say we need to see this or that, I just want to say you have just Described what has happened.

Also consider William Miller was so sure he had got Biblical Prophecy correct.

Really can not say much more, it is your heart and we will pray for each other dear friend in God. May we all come through this time with harmony of purpose.

Regards Tony

Tony,

Maybe you’d like to explain how the teachings and ideas and laws of Baha’u’llah are being adopted all over the world and gaining universal acceptance and seen as the most advanced and progressive ideas for our age.

We are tiny in number but in influence ENORMOUS. The Bahai Teachings are affecting BILLIONS without them knowing the source.

Maybe you’d like to explain more.

 

[Servant19]

Few hundred years? We are not living in the 1st century or the 7th century or the 19th century! This the 21st century! What I am typing right now, can be read on the other side of the word as soon as I enter submit, even from the ISS in outer space. Information is passed to every corner in an instant.
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You make it sound like people are actually interested to read what we post here.

Materialism and capitalism is the new religion.
When we become lovers of this religion, there is no way one would go read a Catholic forum or interested in visiting a Baha’i website.

Nevertheless, unbeknownst to billions, the Baha’i Faith is establishing itself right in the middle of the planet and will soon become its central nerve centre.

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[openmind77]

Tony,

Maybe you’d like to explain how the teachings and ideas and laws of Baha’u’llah are being adopted all over the world and gaining universal acceptance and seen as the most advanced and progressive ideas for our age.

We are tiny in number but in influence ENORMOUS. The Bahai Teachings are affecting BILLIONS without them knowing the source.

Maybe you’d like to explain more.

Actually Bahaullah’s teachings or very similar ones are indeed spreading all over the world - billions are being affected by such ideas. The teachings were very much before their times, but others have had very similar ideas since then. However billions have not accepted him as the Messiah and never will.

For instance one of the first abolitionists was Anthony Benezet, but it was Lincoln who delivered it.

When the real Mahdi comes. billions will recognize him, Bahaullah may be known as someone who initiated some of the ideas, but that is all (or he may even be pretty much forgotten in the glory of the Coming One)

 

[openmind77]

You make it sound like people are actually interested to read what we post here.

Materialism and capitalism is the new religion.
When we become lovers of this religion, there is no way one would go read a Catholic forum or interested in visiting a Baha’i website.

Nevertheless, unbeknownst to billions, the Baha’i Faith is establishing itself right in the middle of the planet and will soon become its central nerve centre.

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No they are not interested in the stuff I write, but that is the whole point.

Bahaism/Bahaullah are not spreading as they should, because people are not impressed and not interested. When the real One comes, this problem will not exist - his news will spread like wild fire (but there will still be substantial opposition, which is what concerns me).

 

[Servant19]

No they are not interested in the stuff I write, but that is the whole point.

Bahaism/Bahaullah are not spreading as they should, because people are not impressed and not interested. When the real One comes, this problem will not exist - his news will spread like wild fire (but there will still be substantial opposition, which is what concerns me).

The news has already spread like wildfire openmind

Look at the Baha’i Lotus Temple in India, it’s the most visited building on the planet.

What you should be asking yourself is, how can God eliminate the free will of people in order to force peoples hands to follow the Mahdi.

What you are describing is essentially like no one will have a choice but to follow the Mahdi. God cannot do things that will remove free will.
How else would He test the purity of our hearts?

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[worldcitizen]

The news has already spread like wildfire openmind

Look at the Baha’i Lotus Temple in India, it’s the most visited building on the planet.

What you should be asking yourself is, how can God eliminate the free will of people in order to force peoples hands to follow the Mahdi.

What you are describing is essentially like no one will have a choice but to follow the Mahdi. God cannot do things that will remove free will.
How else would He test the purity of our hearts?

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Beautifully put!

 

[openmind77]

The news has already spread like wildfire openmind

Look at the Baha’i Lotus Temple in India, it’s the most visited building on the planet.

What you should be asking yourself is, how can God eliminate the free will of people in order to force peoples hands to follow the Mahdi.

What you are describing is essentially like no one will have a choice but to follow the Mahdi. God cannot do things that will remove free will.
How else would He test the purity of our hearts?

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Actually I did not know about the Temple in India till quite recently. But these are buildings like Taj Mahal that people know about.

The way people will know about the Mahdi is not by force, but by the way they will feel when they listen to him and through all the miracles that will surround him. Nobody’s free will is removed when they accept Jesus, that is the same way it will be with the real Mahdi. He does not have to test anybody, he already knows their hearts.

As I said before a substantial portion will not accept him (these are the goats)

 

[Servant19]

Actually I did not know about the Temple in India till quite recently. But these are buildings like Taj Mahal that people know about.

The way people will know about the Mahdi is not by force, but by the way they will feel when they listen to him and through all the miracles that will surround him. Nobody’s free will is removed when they accept Jesus, that is the same way it will be with the real Mahdi. He does not have to test anybody, he already knows their hearts.

Miracles = Free will removed
If you want more than 12 million people (current Baha’i population) to accept him by “feeling good” it’s either another miracle or he’s going to have no time to pee!

As I said before a substantial portion will not accept him (these are the goats)

Sounds like the Baha’i Faith to me…

Gulam and Meher are not the real return of Jesus and their followers cannot stand the scrutiny of the examination of those claims.

The proof of Baha’u’llah is the absolute conviction and rational proofs laid out by His worldwide followers. Evidence of that is here on CAF

Bahais are teaching Catholics what the return of Christ means.

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[TonyBS]

Few hundred years? We are not living in the 1st century or the 7th century or the 19th century! This the 21st century! What I am typing right now, can be read on the other side of the word as soon as I enter submit, even from the ISS in outer space. Information is passed to every corner in an instant.
Obama has 70 million twitter followers in 8 years. Modi (Indian PM) has 12 million in 3 years (I won’t even mention people like Bieber). The first 150 years of Bahaullah may have an excuse for less than 10 million Bahais, but if you can’t get 50 million followers in the last 20 years, I can guarantee that it will never happen.

Yes Openmind77 why have you closed your mind as to why this knowledge has increased. Numbers are not The issue here, it is the penetrating influence of the Elixer, the Word of God. As we speak it pulses through the body of mankind healing bits here and there.

A little potion becomes a big cure but it is at The time when the balance is tipped, that time is soon as you think, but not the way you are currently considering. It will be the Baha’i faith emerging from obscurity and then tackling the forces of the defeated, who see their lack of power to stop the change.

Not laid out for to know it all but we have a fairly basic idea of the unfoldment.

Regards Tony

 

[TonyBS]

Actually I did not know about the Temple in India till quite recently. But these are buildings like Taj Mahal that people know about.

The way people will know about the Mahdi is not by force, but by the way they will feel when they listen to him and through all the miracles that will surround him. Nobody’s free will is removed when they accept Jesus, that is the same way it will be with the real Mahdi. He does not have to test anybody, he already knows their hearts.

As I said before a substantial portion will not accept him (these are the goats)

I was not forced, I was not looking

I found it as you described. Except did not and do not need miracles, though good bonuses!

Our hearts at known and all we hear, see and experience is given to open our heart. It is written that there is a trigger when out heart is granted Gods gift of Faith when the seed is planted. Most likely a choice we made in all detachment with our heart.

I could dig that exact quote up if you wish, it is worded different from the way I put it.

Regards Tony

 

[openmind77]

Miracles = Free will removed
If you want more than 12 million people (current Baha’i population) to accept him by “feeling good” it’s either another miracle or he’s going to have no time to pee!

You are quite right, the miracles have to very carefully tempered to avoid infringing people’s free will. Actually I am not sure exactly how the acceptance will flow, but a ‘true’ Son of God will accomplish it and ultimately succeed. The ones who are marginal (Ghulam Ahmad, Bahaullah) will inevitably fail

As I said before a substantial portion will not accept him (these are the goats)

No it does not. I mean about one third (the sheep) will accept him, one third will be indifferent and one third (the goats) will be totally against him. In the case of the Bahai, 90% of human population or 7.39 billion out of 7.4 billion have rejected Bahaullah.

Gulam and Meher are not the real return of Jesus and their followers cannot stand the scrutiny of the examination of those claims.

Guess what their followers say about Bahais?

The proof of Baha’u’llah is the absolute conviction and rational proofs laid out by His worldwide followers. Evidence of that is here on CAF

Bahais are teaching Catholics what the return of Christ means.

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Sure, Bahaism has sincere followers, do you think Ahmadis are not sincere? Rational proofs do not help, people need to feel it in their hearts to be able to accept Bahaullah.

The Bahai teachings on unity maybe useful, but you really need to acknowledge that most people are not interested in your proofs or your religion.

 

[TonyBS]

The Bahai teachings on unity maybe useful, but you really need to acknowledge that most people are not interested in your proofs or your religion.

Prophesy fulfilled, the last will be first and the first last.

All the proof is available in this book, read the last few pages as the proof is concluded, it may give other thoughts reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/KI/ki-8.html God bless your journey.

Regards Tony

 

[TonyBS]

How do these numbers line up? 1844AD = 1260AH = 1AD

bahaitext.info/btxt.asp?buk=js&tgt=10:1+36&wds=xd

"…To summarize, that’s thirteen separate 1260 year prophecies from four separate middle eastern religions, encompassing four countries and given over a period of almost four thousand years. These prophecies all state that this beast will control Jerusalem for 1260 years. Who is this beast? It is the only empire which arose after the Romans to conquer and control Jerusalem… the pseudo-Islamic Empire under the Umayyads and later under the Abbasids (10:30)

What’s fascinating about these ‘1260’ prophecies is that the year 1260 AH of the Islamic calendar just happens to also be the exact same year 1844 AD of the Christian calendar. Can you see what this means? The ‘7-times’ prophecy of Moses, the ‘2300 day/year’ ‘Abomination of Desolation’ prophecy of Daniel (referred to by Jesus) and the thirteen ‘1260 day/year’ prophecies all indicate the exact same year… the year 1844 AD. That’s fifteen separate prophecies which p(name removed by moderator)oint the exact same year (10:31)

Regards Tony

 

[openmind77]

How do these numbers line up? 1844AD = 1260AH = 1AD

bahaitext.info/btxt.asp?buk=js&tgt=10:1+36&wds=xd

"…To summarize, that’s thirteen separate 1260 year prophecies from four separate middle eastern religions, encompassing four countries and given over a period of almost four thousand years. These prophecies all state that this beast will control Jerusalem for 1260 years. Who is this beast? It is the only empire which arose after the Romans to conquer and control Jerusalem… the pseudo-Islamic Empire under the Umayyads and later under the Abbasids (10:30)

What’s fascinating about these ‘1260’ prophecies is that the year 1260 AH of the Islamic calendar just happens to also be the exact same year 1844 AD of the Christian calendar. Can you see what this means? The ‘7-times’ prophecy of Moses, the ‘2300 day/year’ ‘Abomination of Desolation’ prophecy of Daniel (referred to by Jesus) and the thirteen ‘1260 day/year’ prophecies all indicate the exact same year… the year 1844 AD. That’s fifteen separate prophecies which p(name removed by moderator)oint the exact same year (10:31)

Regards Tony

Give it up Tony, these numbers won’t even convince a thousand people. By the time the Bahais get to 10 million, the real Mahdi will be here, so you won’t need to keep trying so hard. I don’t think you have that much longer to wait.

The problem is that while everyone needs to be ready to receive the Mahdi and then Jesus quite soon, you are just distracting them with your Bahai stories - a real disservice to the Christ in my opinion.

There is nothing wrong in preaching the unity of religions and of the world, but leave out these grandiose theories.

 

[Servant19]

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“When a thousand two hundred and some years have passed from the inception of the religion of the Arabian and the overthrow of the kingdom of Iran and the degradation of the followers of My religion, a descendant of the Iranian kings will be raised up as a Prophet” (Zoroaster, Parsi Dinkird).

This is fascinating too…

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[TonyBS]

Give it up Tony, these numbers won’t even convince a thousand people. By the time the Bahais get to 10 million, the real Mahdi will be here, so you won’t need to keep trying so hard. I don’t think you have that much longer to wait.

The problem is that while everyone needs to be ready to receive the Mahdi and then Jesus quite soon, you are just distracting them with your Bahai stories - a real disservice to the Christ in my opinion.

There is nothing wrong in preaching the unity of religions and of the world, but leave out these grandiose theories.

Please doe not take it personal

Acts 13:41" Look, you scoffers, wonder and perish, for I am going to do something in your days that you would never believe, even if someone told you.’"

God bless and regards Tony

 

[TonyBS]

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“When a thousand two hundred and some years have passed from the inception of the religion of the Arabian and the overthrow of the kingdom of Iran and the degradation of the followers of My religion, a descendant of the Iranian kings will be raised up as a Prophet” (Zoroaster, Parsi Dinkird).

This is fascinating too…

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I have always thought it amazing, but of course no good here.

I like that Abdul’baha spent some time explaining Daniel and Revelation.

Really there can be no greater proof that 1260 - 1844, if it was the First Coming the Early Christians would be drooling over such a great proof.

Now, let’s see how we can divert such an obvious milestone of Scripture?

Regards Tony

 

[Techno2000]

Please doe not take it personal

Acts 13:41" Look, you scoffers, wonder and perish, for I am going to do something in your days that you would never believe, even if someone told you.’"

God bless and regards Tony

So you take the Christian scriptures and try to apply them the Baha’i religion.

 

[TonyBS]

So you take the Christian scriptures and try to apply them the Baha’i religion.

Do not have to “Apply” them as they are “Fulfilled” by the Baha’i Revelation.

I cut to The chase there, no beating around the corner as this is the reality we will all soon face. As the Faith comes from obscurity I am sure you will find more grenades to throw

Make them Love grenades please!

Regards Tony