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By Baha’i standards?
It is God Standard. Please do not take away from Christs Sacrifice Here.

One also has to consider the Amount Baha’u’llah Suffered, it was for well Over 40 Years - this link will help - bahai-library.com/compilation_suffering_bahaullah

“The Ancient Beauty hath consented to be bound with chains that mankind may be released from its bondage, and hath accepted to be made a prisoner within this most mighty Stronghold that the whole world may attain unto true liberty. He hath drained to its dregs the cup of sorrow, that all the peoples of the earth may attain unto abiding joy, and be filled with gladness. This is of the mercy of your Lord, the Compassionate, the Most Merciful. We have accepted to be abased, O believers in the Unity of God, that ye may be exalted, and have suffered manifold afflictions, that ye might prosper and flourish. He Who hath come to build anew the whole world, behold, how they that have joined partners with God have forced Him to dwell within the most desolate of cities!”

Regards Tony
 
Consider, if in this Life a person was to find that Muhammad was indeed a Messenger of God as foretold in the Bible, then it also may be able for that person to contemplate that by rejecting Muhammad the Christians had already destroyed the intent of their Belief and thus their true spiritual selves!

Regards Tony
I could believe in Muhammad if his teachings meshed with Jesus teaching , but they don’t.
 
It is God Standard. Please do not take away from Christs Sacrifice Here.

One also has to consider the Amount Baha’u’llah Suffered, it was for well Over 40 Years - this link will help - bahai-library.com/compilation_suffering_bahaullah

“The Ancient Beauty hath consented to be bound with chains that mankind may be released from its bondage, and hath accepted to be made a prisoner within this most mighty Stronghold that the whole world may attain unto true liberty. He hath drained to its dregs the cup of sorrow, that all the peoples of the earth may attain unto abiding joy, and be filled with gladness. This is of the mercy of your Lord, the Compassionate, the Most Merciful. We have accepted to be abased, O believers in the Unity of God, that ye may be exalted, and have suffered manifold afflictions, that ye might prosper and flourish. He Who hath come to build anew the whole world, behold, how they that have joined partners with God have forced Him to dwell within the most desolate of cities!”

Regards Tony
By no means was I taking away from Christ’s Sacrifice. Baha’i does that on its own
 
This is quite incomprehensible.

Stop calling Bahaullah God - just calling him that does not make him so or convince anybody of that claim.( BTW I have not called him any names, just said his tone is condescending)

Even as a prophet Bahaullah is not as high as someone like Mohammad - Mohammad was higher in his spiritual status than Bahaullah, and he never claimed to be God.

The Returned Mahdi as well as Returned Jesus will be actual Sons of God, who will soon come to save the world, not someone like Bahaullah writing endless tablets and yelling at people to behave.
No One called Baha’u’llah God Above. Thus when Muhammad Gave a Warning who was it from?

Regards Tony
 
I could believe in Muhammad if his teachings meshed with Jesus teaching , but they don’t.
There are millions that now see they do, “Frame of Reference”.

Amazingly I have never seen a clash 🤷 😊 Go Figure that.

Regards Tony
 
No One called Baha’u’llah God Above.
I thought you did. You said I called God condescending when I clearly said Bahaullah was condescending. Is it now clear that I am saying Bahaullah (who is not God) is condescending, not anyone else.
Thus when Muhammad Gave a Warning who was it from?
Muhammad was giving his own warnings, which is OK. He did not claim he was God nor did he say he was Jesus.

I think you will understand how ‘Sons of God’ talk and warn people when the real Mahdi and the real Jesus Return - not too long now.
 
By no means was I taking away from Christ’s Sacrifice. Baha’i does that on its own
It is snippets like this that are just pure blessing to some Souls dear Jimmy, while other souls are oblivious of the damage they cause to themselves.

I think it is our shortcoming though as we have been warned thus;

“O SON OF DUST! The wise are they that speak not unless they obtain a hearing, even as the cup-bearer, who proffereth not his cup till he findeth a seeker, and the lover who crieth not out from the depths of his heart until he gazeth upon the beauty of his beloved. Wherefore sow the seeds of wisdom and knowledge in the pure soil of the heart, and keep them hidden, till the hyacinths of divine wisdom spring from the heart and not from mire and clay”.

Wise words we should listen to. 😊

Regards Tony
 
Muhammad was giving his own warnings, which is OK. He did not claim he was God nor did he say he was Jesus.
It was Allah giving His warnings through His Prophet Muhammad

39.1. The revelation of this Book is from Allah, the Exalted in Power, full of Wisdom.

39.2. Verily it is We Who have revealed the Book to thee in Truth: so serve Allah, offering Him sincere devotion.

39.3. Is it not to Allah that sincere devotion is due? But those who take for protectors other than Allah (say): “We only serve them in order that they may bring us nearer to Allah.” Truly Allah will judge between them in that wherein they differ. But Allah guides not such as are false and ungrateful.

This is the same for Baha’u’llah, all Warnings are from God.

Regards Tony
 
This is quite incomprehensible.

Stop calling Bahaullah God - just calling him that does not make him so or convince anybody of that claim.( BTW I have not called him any names, just said his tone is condescending)

Even as a prophet Bahaullah is not as high as someone like Mohammad - Mohammad was higher in his spiritual status than Bahaullah, and he never claimed to be God.

The Returned Mahdi as well as Returned Jesus will be actual Sons of God, who will soon come to save the world, not someone like Bahaullah writing endless tablets and yelling at people to behave.
His real name is Mírzá Ḥusayn-`Alí Núrí
 


This is the same for Baha’u’llah, all Warnings are from God.
99.99% of the world does not believe this and neither do I.

Bahaullah’s words are his own and I think he should have toned them down a bit. the words come across as way too judgmental.
 

Lucifer, the ancient serpent, the devil or Satan, the Red Dragon, becomes, in these last times, the Antichrist.The Apostle John already affirmed that whoever denies that Jesus Christ is God, that person is the Antichrist. The statue or idol, built in honor of the beast to be adored by all men, is the Antichrist.Calculate now its number, 666, to understand how it indicates the name of a man. The number, 333,indicates the divinity. Lucifer rebels against God through pride, because he wants to put himself above God.333 is the number which indicates the mystery of God. He who wants to put himself above God bears the sign, 666, and consequently this number indicates the name of-Lucifer, Satan, that is to say, of him who sets himself against Christ, of the Antichrist.333 indicated once, that is to say, for the first time, expresses the mystery of the unity of God. 333 indicated
twice, that is to say, for the second time, indicates the two natures, that of the divine and the human, united in the divine Person of Jesus Christ. 333 indicated thrice, that is to say, for the third time, indicates the mystery of the Three Divine Persons, that is to say, it expresses the mystery of the Most Holy Trinity. Thus the number, 333, expressed one, two and three times, expresses the principal mysteries of the Catholic faith,which are: (1) the Unity and the Trinity of God, (2) the incarnation, the passion and death, and the resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ.If 333 is the number which indicates the divinity, he who wants to put himself above God himself is referred to by the number 666.

666 indicated once, that is to say, for the first time, expresses the year 666, six hundred and sixty-six. In this period of history, the Antichrist is manifested through the phenomenon of Islam, which directly denies the mystery of the divine Trinity and the divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ. Islamism, with its military force, breaks loose everywhere, destroying all the ancient christian communities, and invades Europe and it is only through my extraordinary motherly intervention, begged for powerfully by the Holy Father, that it does not succeed in destroying Christianity completely.

666 indicated twice, that is to say, for the second time, expresses the year 1332, thirteen hundred and thirty-two. In this period of history, the Antichrist is
manifested through a radical attack on the faith in the word (Parola) of God. Through the philosophers who begin to give exclusive value to science and then to reason, there is a gradual tendency to constitute human intelligence alone as the sole criterion of truth. There come to birth the great philosophical errors which continue through the centuries down to your days. The exaggerated importance given to reason, as an exclusive criterion of truth, necessarily leads to the destruction of the faith in the word (Parola) of God. Indeed, with the Protestant Reformation, tradition is rejected as a source of divine revelation, and only sacred scripture is accepted. But even this must be interpreted by means of the reason, and the authentic Magisterium of the hierarchical Church, to which
Christ has entrusted the guardianship of the deposit of faith, is obstinately
rejected. Each one is free to read and to understand sacred scripture according to one’s personal interpretation. In this way, faith in the word (Parola) of God is destroyed. The work of the Antichrist, in this period of history, is the division of the Church and the consequent formation of new and numerous christian confessions which gradually become driven to a more and more extensive loss of the true faith in the word (Parola) of God. 666 indicated thrice, that is to say, for the third time, expresses the year 1998, nineteen-hundred and ninety-eight. In this period of history, Freemasonry, assisted by its ecclesiastical form, will succeed in its great design: that of setting up an idol to put in the place of Christ and of his Church. A false christ and a false church. Consequently, the statue built in honor of the first beast, to be adored by all the inhabitants of the earth and which will seal with its mark all those who want to buy or sell, is that of the Antichrist. You have thus arrived at the peak of the purification, of the great tribulation and of the apostasy. The apostasy will be, as of then, generalised because almost all will follow the false christ and the false church. Then the door will be open for the appearance of the man or of the very person of the Antichrist!

heartofmaryarabic.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/The-Blue-Book.pdf
 
heartofmaryarabic.com

Lucifer, the ancient serpent, the devil or Satan, the Red Dragon, becomes, in these last times, the Antichrist.The Apostle John already affirmed that whoever denies that Jesus Christ is God, that person is the Antichrist. The statue or idol, built in honor of the beast to be adored by all men, is the Antichrist.Calculate now its number, 666, to understand how it indicates the name of a man. The number, 333,indicates the divinity. Lucifer rebels against God through pride, because he wants to put himself above God.333 is the number which indicates the mystery of God. He who wants to put himself above God bears the sign, 666, and consequently this number indicates the name of-Lucifer, Satan, that is to say, of him who sets himself against Christ, of the Antichrist.333 indicated once, that is to say, for the first time, expresses the mystery of the unity of God. 333 indicated
twice, that is to say, for the second time, indicates the two natures, that of the divine and the human, united in the divine Person of Jesus Christ. 333 indicated thrice, that is to say, for the third time, indicates the mystery of the Three Divine Persons, that is to say, it expresses the mystery of the Most Holy Trinity. Thus the number, 333, expressed one, two and three times, expresses the principal mysteries of the Catholic faith,which are: (1) the Unity and the Trinity of God, (2) the incarnation, the passion and death, and the resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ.If 333 is the number which indicates the divinity, he who wants to put himself above God himself is referred to by the number 666.

666 indicated once, that is to say, for the first time, expresses the year 666, six hundred and sixty-six. In this period of history, the Antichrist is manifested through the phenomenon of Islam, which directly denies the mystery of the divine Trinity and the divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ. Islamism, with its military force, breaks loose everywhere, destroying all the ancient christian communities, and invades Europe and it is only through my extraordinary motherly intervention, begged for powerfully by the Holy Father, that it does not succeed in destroying Christianity completely.

666 indicated twice, that is to say, for the second time, expresses the year 1332, thirteen hundred and thirty-two. In this period of history, the Antichrist is
manifested through a radical attack on the faith in the word (Parola) of God. Through the philosophers who begin to give exclusive value to science and then to reason, there is a gradual tendency to constitute human intelligence alone as the sole criterion of truth. There come to birth the great philosophical errors which continue through the centuries down to your days. The exaggerated importance given to reason, as an exclusive criterion of truth, necessarily leads to the destruction of the faith in the word (Parola) of God. Indeed, with the Protestant Reformation, tradition is rejected as a source of divine revelation, and only sacred scripture is accepted. But even this must be interpreted by means of the reason, and the authentic Magisterium of the hierarchical Church, to which
Christ has entrusted the guardianship of the deposit of faith, is obstinately
rejected. Each one is free to read and to understand sacred scripture according to one’s personal interpretation. In this way, faith in the word (Parola) of God is destroyed. The work of the Antichrist, in this period of history, is the division of the Church and the consequent formation of new and numerous christian confessions which gradually become driven to a more and more extensive loss of the true faith in the word (Parola) of God. 666 indicated thrice, that is to say, for the third time, expresses the year 1998, nineteen-hundred and ninety-eight. In this period of history, Freemasonry, assisted by its ecclesiastical form, will succeed in its great design: that of setting up an idol to put in the place of Christ and of his Church. A false christ and a false church. Consequently, the statue built in honor of the first beast, to be adored by all the inhabitants of the earth and which will seal with its mark all those who want to buy or sell, is that of the Antichrist. You have thus arrived at the peak of the purification, of the great tribulation and of the apostasy. The apostasy will be, as of then, generalised because almost all will follow the false christ and the false church. Then the door will be open for the appearance of the man or of the very person of the Antichrist!

heartofmaryarabic.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/The-Blue-Book.pdf
Let me highlight what this says again for everyone:

"The work of the Antichrist, in this period of history, is the division of the Church and the consequent formation of new and numerous christian confessions which gradually become driven to a more and more extensive loss of the true faith in the word (Parola) of God."

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Within 300 hundred years after Jesus’s crucifixion, Christianity was quite established. What took 300 years then should not even take 30 years today. If you can’t do it in 170 years today, it will never happen.

Jesus just said simply that he was the Son, never the grandiose terms that Bahaullah uses. The ‘I am’ statements of Jesus are very profound and simple, Bahaullah’s statements are condescending and verbose like desperate attempts to establish his superiority.

When the real Mahdi and Jesus Returns they will not need to make such statements, their ‘stations’ will be obvious to a major portion of the population in a few months.
Again, this lacks a scholarly approach to reading Scripture.

Did Jesus not say:

“You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?”

"So he began saying to the crowds who were going out to be baptized by him, “You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?”

Is calling a crowd of people going to be baptised a “brood of vipers” condescending?

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Again, this lacks a scholarly approach to reading Scripture.

Did Jesus not say:

“You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?”

"So he began saying to the crowds who were going out to be baptized by him, “You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?”

Is calling a crowd of people going to be baptised a “brood of vipers” condescending?

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This is given to them on account of their pretending to be pious, and very much devoted to God, but being secretly evil, At the heart, with all their pretensions, they were filled with evil designs, as the serpent was
 
Again, this lacks a scholarly approach to reading Scripture.

Did Jesus not say:

“You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?”

"So he began saying to the crowds who were going out to be baptized by him, “You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?”

Is calling a crowd of people going to be baptised a “brood of vipers” condescending?

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Jesus was addressing specific people (Pharisees, I think). Bahaullah seems to think everyone in world (7.399 billion people) who don’t believe in him are foolish idiots. He is not going to get many more believers that way.

When the real Mahdi or Jesus return and preach to the whole world, they are not going to look down upon everyone and heap accusations, the Mahdi will appeal to people’s better selves to promote peace and justice.
 
It is snippets like this that are just pure blessing to some Souls dear Jimmy, while other souls are oblivious of the damage they cause to themselves.

I think it is our shortcoming though as we have been warned thus;

“O SON OF DUST! The wise are they that speak not unless they obtain a hearing, even as the cup-bearer, who proffereth not his cup till he findeth a seeker, and the lover who crieth not out from the depths of his heart until he gazeth upon the beauty of his beloved. Wherefore sow the seeds of wisdom and knowledge in the pure soil of the heart, and keep them hidden, till the hyacinths of divine wisdom spring from the heart and not from mire and clay”.

Wise words we should listen to. 😊

Regards Tony
What are “snippets” and why does it relate to Baha’i?
 
What are “snippets” and why does it relate to Baha’i?
Because JimmyDFG if a was speaking to a seeker then I could offer my cup and the cries of my heart could be heard.

It would not result in vain rejection.

That I offer here to give and receive mire and clay is my failing. 😊

God Bless and Regards Tony
 
Because JimmyDFG if a was speaking to a seeker then I could offer my cup and the cries of my heart could be heard.

It would not result in vain rejection.

God Bless and Regards Tony
You’re in a CAF , what do you expect?
 
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