End Times Speculation XXIII (ver. 2.0)

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There are a lot of questions about it. I think it has to be taken with a grain (at the very least!) of salt. Here’s what Jimmy Akin wrote about it. You can google and get a lot of other articles as well.
How Reliable Is the St. Malachy Prophecy? – Jimmy Akin
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PIUS VII
14 March 1800
20 August 1823
Aquila rapax—“Rapacious eagle”

Another motto that Mr. Akin attempts to use to discredit the Prophecy of the Popes is “Aquila rapax.” Mr. Akins criticizes this as an event that could have happened anywhere in the world at this time and, therefore, is meaningless even if fulfilled. Here is what Wikipedia says about Pope Pius VII:

“From the time of his election as Pope to the fall of Napoleon in 1815, Pius VII’s reign was completely taken up in dealing with France.”

Pius VII signed the Concordate of 1801 with Napoleon.
He presided over the coronation of Napolean at the Cathedral Notre-Dame de Paris in 1804 saying, “May God confirm on you this throne and may Christ give you to rule with him in his eternal kingdom.”
He always referred to Napoleon as “my dear son.”

Three days after his coronation as Emperor, Napoleon introduced French Imperial Eagles as standards for all of the French regiments which were to be defended unto death. Under these eagle standards, Napoleon’s regiments invaded and seized most of Europe. In 1809 the French Imperial Eagle invaded the Papal States, and Pius VII was exiled to France.

In my opinion, the facts of this matter show that the motto, “Aquila rapax” to meet the requirement that it be “easily falsifiable.” It was very unlikely that a conquest of Europe would have been made under an eagle standard precisely during the time that this motto came into effect. Yet here we have it. As Horn and Putnam put it for Religio depopulata, “the prophecy demonstrates a breataking accuracy here.”
 
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my question is: Is the Prophecy of the Popes to be taken seriously?
 
Joe1 said:
my question is: Is the Prophecy of the Popes to be taken seriously?
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Given the fact that Pope Pius XII chose his Prophecy of the Popes motto, “Pastor angelicus,” for the title of his autobiographical film of 1942, I would have to say that the answer to your questions is “yes.” If Pius XII took his motto seriously, then we should too.

That being said, the Prophecy of the Popes is admittedly controversial. All of the pundits at Catholic Answers condemn it, Mr. Staples even calling it “tomfoolery.” The commonly accepted and used version of the Prophecy was put out by Fr. Thomas Messingham in 1624, and this version of 112 mottoes would cast Pope Francis as Petrus Romanus (Peter the Roman.) But Francis can in no serious way be connected to the title of Petrus Romanus. He has no “Peter” in any of his names and neither he nor his parents are from Rome.

The solution to this dilemma is to use the first version of the Prophecy as it appeared in the Lignum Vitae in 1595. Fr. Wion’s original has 113 mottoes; Francis coming in at number 112 on the list. His motto is quite ominous:

In psecutione. extrema S.R.E. sedebit. ----(He will reign in the final persecution. of the Holy Roman Church.)

It remains to be seen if this terrible motto will be fulfilled. The Prophecy of the Popes calls for the extreme visions of Giuseppe Sarto to be fulfilled during the lifetime of Joseph Ratzinger. If that happens, it will be the fulfillment of the motto for Pope Francis and a confirmation of the validity of the Prophecy of the Popes.

I hope that I am full of beans about this. We should all pray that it doesn’t happen.
 
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Joe1 said:
my question is: Is the Prophecy of the Popes to be taken seriously?
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At best, it should be taken with great caution, and with full awareness of the problems many Catholic scholars have found with it. (Google is your friend, just be sure to stick with Catholic authorities.)
 
In my opinion, one of best Catholic authorities is Fr. M.J. O’Brien who published his critique in 1880.** Fr. O’Brien called the Prophecy “the sorriest of trifling” and condemned it. But his well researched analysis proved that St. Malachy did not have anything to do with the Prophecy. That finding indicates that the list of mottoes that we see in Wion’s LIGNUM VITAE is the original version and, therefore, the one that we should go by.

Although Fr. O’Brien promised us a true “word for word” reproduction of the mottoes, he nonetheless prints the 1624 edited version that is the source of so much present day confusion.

**AN HISTORICAL AND CRITICAL ACCOUNT OF THE SO-CALLED PROPHECY OF ST. MALACHY, O’Brien, 1880.
 
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Hi Muzhik! Long time no chat! 😜 I haven’t posted (or even been on CAF) in so long that I forgot my password! 😂🤣😂🤣
What are everyone’s thoughts on three days of darkness (or is that a ‘banned topic’?)?
I think it’s pretty prophetic that numerous blesseds and saints from various times have had similar ‘visions’…dh abd I believe we might see it in the next six months or so, based on what we’ve read.
 
I would me curious about the three days of darkness, and why you think it could be in the next six months?
 
Bartholo said:
I would me curious about the three days of darkness, and why you think it could be in the next six months?
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An after effect of global nuclear war. I don’t think that this happens for another twenty or thirty years. The world still has “multis tribulationibus” to endure under the next (and last) Pope before that happens.
 
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Petrus Romanus could just be a fancy way of saying the last pope as it mirrors the first.
 
Just saying that tinder for Christian persecution in western culture is ignited.
Strangely, a Catholic declares the tribulation.


Matthew 10:21-23
 
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Kei said:
Petrus Romanus could just be a fancy way of saying the last pope as it mirrors the first.
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Of all the 113 mottoes of the Prophecy of the Popes, it is only the last one that mentions a proper name for a Pope. Furthermore, this name is emphasized by being placed at the beginning with a following commentary. Therefore the name, “Petrus Romanus,” must be of great significance.

In my opinion “Petrus Romanus, qui pascet oves . . .” can be none other than St. Peter himself whose bones are now on display in the Vatican. That means that our last Pope will be Simon bar Jonah resurrected.
(The perfect disciple is like his master.)
 
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I mean, a pope naming himself Peter would not be likely. It’s a bit of a tabboo.

It most likely is because he’s the last in the line.
 
why would they lose hope? If Petrus Romanus appeared than the faithful would defend the Church and would know that Christ does not tolerate wolves in the flock, and that whatever this Pope does that is out of the ordinary and conflicts with core doctrines, would be false and the works of darkness.

But that’s just my opinion
 
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I find it interesting that Christ tolerated Judas. It was Judas who basically dismissed himself.
 
Daisy said:
I find it interesting that Christ tolerated Judas. It was Judas who basically dismissed himself.
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I would think that Judas betrayed Jesus but didn’t teach anything contrary to Christ’s teachings (i.e. heresy). But that is a good point. Though I dont think Christ likes it if someone leads the flock astray. Dont you think?
 
mamacita said:
What are everyone’s thoughts on three days of darkness (or is that a ‘banned topic’?)?
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Sorry for the late reply. I think the Three Days will be
  1. a mystical event, inexplicable by today’s science,
  2. a replay of the Three Days that Egypt experienced as one of the plagues (the only lights that shown were the lamps in the houses of the Jews),
  3. an event that marks the end of the Minor Chastisement, where the faithful remnant will be preserved and all others will be destroyed, and the Evil One will be locked away in the Pit for a thousand years.
If, in fact, the End Times for the Church will be a replay of both the 10 Plagues of Egypt AND the Passion of Jesus, then the Three Days will end with a regenerated Church.
 
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