End Times Speculation XXIII (ver. 2.0)

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Global nuclear war will not happen until the end of the reign of the next Pope after Francis. Since that Pope (in my opinion) will be St. Peter, that could be any number of years.

My immediate prediction is for the fulfillment of the predictions that are accredited to Pope St. Pius X.
I used to think that the mechanism would be ISIS, but, considering recent events, Iran may well be the source. They have the ablity to conduct both poison gas and dirty bomb attacks.

Iran’s recent missle attacks on US bases in Iraq as well as their statements that their revenge will not be by proxy may be nothing more than covers for the real attack which will be devastaing
 
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The missile attack on US bases was a fit of desperate rage. When I first heard that an airplane came down I wondered who exactly was onboard that Iranians wanted killed.
Anyway, I believe Iran will sooner than later have sympathizers that boost their arsenal and plans.

…binged on rapture movies recently. Sunday Morning Rapture starts out…” My God, what if His appearance occurred on a Sunday morning?”

I don’t believe in the sort of rapture that leaves a heap of clothes in a pile and disappearing body but some of those rapture style movies 🎥 offer good stuff to think and pray about.
 
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Muzhik said:
In my opinion YHWH’s tearing of the Temple veil down the middle signified the end of His Covenant with Israel.
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Dates can be argued:

Was it Crucifixion? Resurrection? Pentecost? Destruction of Temple and Jerusalem?

It’s almost not worth going into it b/c w/some - by necesaity, there can not be agreement.

And what is part of Catholic Teaching
  • is that the Old Covenant has been superseded by a New Covenant.
CCC

71 God made an everlasting covenant with Noah and with all living beings (cf. Gen 9:16). It will remain in force as long as the world lasts.

72 God chose Abraham and made a covenant with him and his descendants. By the covenant God formed his people and revealed his law to them through Moses. Through the prophets, he prepared them to accept the salvation destined for all humanity.

73 God has revealed himself fully by sending his own Son, in whom he has established his covenant for ever. The Son is his Father’s definitive Word; so there will be no further Revelation after him.
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I don’t believe in the sort of rapture that leaves a heap of clothes in a pile and disappearing body
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There was a (surprisingly) really good movie in 2014 on the Rapture – The Remaining – where instead of the bodies disappearing, people just dropped dead, all over the world, at the same time. Remaining scientists labeled it “Sudden Death Syndrome”.
 
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The problem I have with Rapture is that it seems to me (from what I heard) that Protestants think only the good will be taken away. Of course it’s written in the Bible:
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The “rapture” movement - stems from the Bible.

However… IMO - it makes an unnecessary mountain out of a molehill
from some who’ve very questionably have already deemed
that they’ve been Judged as Saved, Always.

The Bible has a tome on Self-Righteousnes. Yes?

The manner in which those who’re actually JUDGED by JESUS
as inheriting Heaven and go up to Heaven with Jesus — and is what is said.

HOWEVER - that manner is certainly not as Weighty as actually being Saved…

And -
  • according to Bible (Goats and Sheep) - we’ll find that out AT JUDGEMENT DAY!
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…watched The Remaining. That is the best rapture movie yet. Watching the converts lined up waiting for Baptism with the evil waiting to strike them down made sense. I couldn’t help but think of all the killed/aborted babies the past several decades…not too unlike this.


I think this has already happened under the guise of the UN. The Malaysian PM is probably suggesting a different level of unity. A new unification could lead to …so awful… I can’t type it out.
 
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C.Militant might not be your favorite show but here is a short discussion on the Protestant view of rapture vs. Catholic view.
I still maintain that Rapture movies have some nuggets of inspiration…taking suggestions for a good one to watch this weekend. Thanks

 
For the record, I don’t hold with the Rapture. I just thought “The Remaining” was an interesting take on the practical aspects of the same, and a well-made independent horror film.

(And honestly? I majorly crushed on the blonde girl they met at the library! Would LOVE to see her in more films!)

You could also cast what Jesus said in Matthew as a prophecy of what it would be like in another 30 years when the Romans would come to finally crush Israel. Don’t go back to get your cloak, just run!
 
The cast in The Remaining was good but no one was outstanding to me.

The church scene did bring to life the old saying…church is for the sinners, not saints…or I should say…new emphasis.
 
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We won’t know the day and hour .

And we do have Signs - which are not Speculation - and are Scriptural Prophecy.

For instance…

Let no one deceive or beguile you in any way, for that day will not come except the Apostasy // falling away - of those who have professed to be Christians has come, and the man of lawlessness (sin) is revealed, who is the son of perdition…

… Who opposes and exalts himself so proudly and insolently against and over all that is called God or that is worshiped, and taking his seat in the Temple of God, proclaiming that he himself is God.

THIS IS REITERATED IN MAGISTERIUM

The Church’s ultimate trial

**[675] … Before Christ’s second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers.574 The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth575 will unveil the “mystery of iniquity” in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh.576
 
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The Church’s ultimate trial

**[ 675 ] … Before Christ’s second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers.574 The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth575 will unveil the “mystery of iniquity” in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh.576
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Let me tell you. The Catholic Faith in the Real Prescence is being tested to the breaking point in overeducated countries like ours.

How many, how sadly well I know, how many …ordained priests who have lost as the expression goes - their commitment to the priesthood.

Let me tell you. The fundamental reason is not what people think it is. The basic reason why the Catholic church in our country has lost over 10 thousand priests is in most cases because these men sadly had lost their faith in the Real Presence.

Father John A. Hardon, S.J.
This passage from Fr. Hardon starts at 13.00 in the video.
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Speculating
 
ACTUALLY … It began with an Anglo-Irish Anglican clergyman John Nelson Darby, founder of the Plymouth Brethren, who developed the teaching of “dispensations” in the mid-1800s and proposed the “pre-tribulational rapture theory” which was popularized in America with the Scofield Reference Bible.

My Russian-born wife (may G_D keep her close) used to say that if any of these Evangelicals said to one of the Eastern European/Russian Christians who had lived through Stalin that they (these Evangelicals) were going to avoid “The Tribulation” just by “accepting Jesus as their personal savior,” they could expect to be smacked into next week; because they were saying what these Eastern European/Russian people had suffered for the faith was insufficient to allow them to be taken directly into heaven, while these soft Americans would get there ahead of them. (I’m paraphrasing, of course. The original Russian is much more … colorful … and forceful.)
 
I believe in the Real Presence of Jesus.

Speculating that this great loss of Faith hinges on End Times somehow.
 
Muzhik said:
ACTUALLY … It began with an Anglo-Irish Anglican clergyman
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Actually - in its generic understanding - It is found within Scriptures…

The Vulgate’s word - Rapiemur - Rapture - Rise Up - Be Carried Up in the Air

Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. 14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.

16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.

THAT SAID…
Those who are INto The Rapture - place what comes across to Catholicism
as an unacceptable - Once Saved Always Saved - strong Focus upon that excerpt.
 
Donkey said:
I believe in the Real Presence of Jesus.

Speculating that this great loss of Faith hinges on End Times somehow.
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Me Too… We are to make room in our Hearts for Him and His Father

Loss of Faith connects with Apostasy - and not End Times

And it is He, Jesus - who has given some Signs of His Return to His followers

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THAT SAID…
Those who are INto The Rapture - place what comes across to Catholicism
as an unacceptable - Once Saved Always Saved - strong Focus upon that excerpt.
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Which is what I simply CANNOT understand, since verse 17 clearly states that this being “caught up together” will occur AFTER the dead in Christ being raised first, i.e., AFTER the General Resurrection, NOT before, mid, or after the Tribulation. IOW, it’s one of the very Last Things after most of the other Last Things: The dead are raised, those who have persevered until the end of the Time of Trials will be taken up to Heaven; we experience the General Judgement where we see all of Salvation History laid before us so we know how we failed, how we succeeded, and how all of us will merit our Final Judgement. After that comes the Final Judgement, where all the condemned are cast into the Lake of Fire along with the Dragon, the doors are locked and sealed for all eternity, and the rest of us enjoy the Beatific Vision of GOD for all eternity.

The one who gives this testimony says, “Yes, I am coming soon.” Amen! Come, Lord Jesus! The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all.
 
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Loss of Faith connects with Apostasy - and not End Times
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Well, yes it does, since this Apostasy does not involve one or two Believers but with entire sections of the Faithful falling away, not in great sheets but in dribs and drabs; through small acts of disbelief; through saying that they are “spiritual but not religious”; through saying that they can’t hold with a Church which teaches one thing but whose leaders practice abominations.

My Faith is with Christ Jesus and with the Church He founded, not in the actions and sins of mere mortals who have the titles and offices related to that Church, and yet seem to be not just without belief but without faith.
 
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Which is what I simply CANNOT understand, since verse 17 clearly states that this being “caught up together” will occur AFTER the dead in Christ being raised first, i.e., AFTER the General Resurrection , NOT before, mid, or after the Tribulation.
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Frankly - that comes across somewhat foreign to my ears…
Is it Protestant?

Thing is, Muzhik, my concern is as a continual growing toward the perfection of God, whilst seeking to always better Obey - God’s Command to Love our Neighbor in Action - so that at Judgement - I shall be one who even Cries for God’s Mercy…

In other words. More Walking the Walk rather than talking the talk; for surely…

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