Engaged and unsure

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Speaking as someone who has just passed their 29th wedding anniversary, I second everything that’s been said in this post: Get…out…now! The families will probably still appreciate each other even if you do break up.

Best friends of the opposite sex realize that God has put them together and they formalize this before the priest, who bestows upon them the life-sacrament of matrimony. I personally prayed that the marriage would be “ever new” – as in not losing the cheekiness (right word?) of the early days. If there are problems, you turn to God and Our Lady, who gives the graces to get through the rough patch. That’s what’s meant by “life-sacrament” – the graces are there, you just have to ask for them.

Blessings,
Mrs Cloisters OP
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I completely know how you are feeling. And if you ask me, it’s just not worth it. Even if it was the day of your wedding, if you have ANY serious doubts at all, it’s best to follow your gut because you don’t get to do that if you make a vow.

Abby Johnson’s (the pro-life activist) first marriage was abusive and manipulative. But, she was able to get out and get that annulled only because neither were catholic at the time. She now has and amazing husband and family. She likely would not have gotten that second chance if she was married in the church the first time.

Girl, hear me out on this, you will be stuck with this decision for life, so make sure it’s a good one that brings you JOY. It doesn’t sound like you are joyful in this relationship. God wants you to be joyful. And don’t worry about letting people down. You are not responsible for anyone but yourself.

Please please please make the best decision for YOU and nobody else. God will lead you if you seek him. I’ll be praying for you. 🙏
 
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Hmmmm…have we been trolled?
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I cannot understand why anyone would consider trolling after only 2 hours. 24 or more hours, yes, but not after only 2 hours.
 
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And also, my husbands ex girlfriend before me was trying to get him to marry her but he didn’t want to. He dragged the relationship on and on but eventually got the courage to cut her off completely. She retaliated, but he stayed strong. If he hadn’t done that we would have never met. I literally cannot imagine life without him. So, please, trust that God has someone better for you.

And if you are worried that you aren’t a virgin anymore then don’t. You are still God’s precious daughter. He doesn’t want you to fall into the hand of someone who won’t lead you to heaven. If you find someone else then you can make the decision from the start to be chaste. You can have the relationship and marriage of your dreams if you trust God and break up with this guy. You deserve better.
 
Now obviously this is only the tip of the iceberg of problems that I wish to tell you about but I am asking for any advice.
It shouldn’t be “obvious”. That’s NOT normal! Healthy relationships don’t have an iceberg of issues.
 
I cannot understand why anyone would consider trolling after only 2 hours. 24 or more hours, yes, but not after only 2 hours.
First of all, I only said it was possible. Second of all, I’ve been on this site for five years. I’ve seen a lot of people come and go on here, including trolls. And it does not take 24 hours to figure them out.
 
The problem is I’m not sure I know the answer to that question and I know some people will be like how do you not know but I’m not sure if this “love” that I have for him is actual love or just a feeling
Love is action from the Holy Spirit.

Catechism
1972 The New Law is called a law of love because it makes us act out of the love infused by the Holy Spirit, rather than from fear; a law of grace , because it confers the strength of grace to act, by means of faith and the sacraments; a law of freedom , because it sets us free from the ritual and juridical observances of the Old Law, inclines us to act spontaneously by the prompting of charity and, finally, lets us pass from the condition of a servant who “does not know what his master is doing” to that of a friend of Christ - “For all that I have heard from my Father I have made known to you” - or even to the status of son and heir.31
 
Love is an action and not just a feeling. A feeling is “a chemical reaction in the brain” that will change after a while when there is something else that catches our attention.

The Greek language might help here. There are several words for love and one of them means “I am prepared to give/sacrifice my life so that the other person may live.” That is the highest and most noble word for love. Are you and your boyfriend prepared to give your own life for the other so that he/you may live?

There are lots of links if you Google “Greek words for love”.
 
If you are slightly unsure don’t do it. Your families will get over it, believe me. They love you (his him) and want what is best for you, not what is easy. God wants what is best for both of you and the entire world. It’s not up to you to try please everyone, that’s God’s job, he can do it, you can’t (I mean no offence).
Stop fornicating with him. Go to confession about your fornications and that’s forgiven and forgotten. Do the penance the priest gives you.
Take some time by yourself and grieve the lost relationship.
If the attraction to the new person is appropriate (ask God) then see how it goes without the fornication, assuming they are still around then (don’t skimp on the time alone and the grieving, that must be done even if you think you are fine).
God bless you
 
If you are feeling as you described in your opening post, then no, you should not marry this man at this time.

Sex clouds your judgment, and can make you overlook faults in a person. If you’re having this many doubt then don’t do it. It doesn’t matter what other people think, this is a lifelong commitment you’re making, you don’t want to mess it up.
 
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This is completely inappropriate advice given what the OP has said.

-Fr ACEGC
 
Marriage isn’t like buying a pair of shoes.

Don’t marry him if you have these doubt.

Marriage isn’t supposed to be a penance.
 
It’s normal to be nervous.
That may well be true–as we approach a major decision/event/task, we can be nervous. Many people are nervous on the wedding day and the days leading up to it.

This is essentially different from reasonable doubts and questions we have about our proposed course of action (as the OP describes).

Dan
 
I recommend that you find and study a good book on Theology of the Body plus the meaning of chastity. Began to discuss it with your fiance and see what kind of responses he elicits. If he agrees, the situation will evolve.
 
You can probably make it work. It’s normal to be nervous. I married a girl I got pregnant that I’d only known for a few months and it was the best decision of my life. We’re now expecting our second child.

Don’t let the past dictate your future. Get married, view it as permanent and be willing to do whatever is necessary for your family.
You were fortunate. It doesn’t turn out well for the vast majority of people in situations such as you describe. I respectfully disagree with your advice, and I would say most people on this forum would as well.
 
It’s normal to be nervous.
This seems like much more than just nerves. Fundamental doubts about feelings, familial pressure to keep the relationship going, not feeling fulfilled or happy… and this only being ‘the tip of the iceberg’. There’s a lot of red flags and I hope the OP doesn’t dismiss them.
 
Dear Original Poster,

Firstly may I strongly recommend the Dale Carnegie book “HOW TO STOP WORRYING AND START LIVING.” It helps you narrow down worries. For example:

40 percent of our worries are about things that already have happened.
30 percent are worries that never will happen because it’s impossible. Say, Martians.
20 percent of worries are real, but you can’t do anything about it. Say, are the magnetic poles of the earth changing places.
10 percent of worries are real AND you can do something about it.

The rest of the book gives sensible advice about how to attack the worries you can attack.



Secondly, if you might be in danger, contact a shelter for battered women. Is the man dangerous? Does either family come from a dangerous tradition? Even today, some families drown daughters whom they feel are impure. Even today, some families burn brides because the dowry was not large enough, or not forever-enough. (“Accidental” kitchen fires, mostly.) Alternately, you don’t want to become Farah Fawcett-Majors in “The BURNING BED.” If you are not safe, you need to “put a whole lotta gone” between you and anyone who might harm you.



Thirdly, if you both come from friendly but pushy families, please keep in mind that you are not Julia Roberts; and you are not starring in “WHILE YOU WERE SLEEPING;” and no one is going to wave Plot Magic Dust over your life. You have to say No for yourself.



Fourthly, may I say that I respect your choice of language. It was blunt without being coarse or unkind. Both sin and poor choices need to be addressed honestly. You feel safe using direct language with us (an invisible community). So perhaps it is safe to reply with blunt language that is not coarse or unkind.

[Name-of-man] called marriage a Penance. That’s like calling the Lord’s Supper a Penance!

If the Lord tarries His Coming, a 22-year-old You could spend up to 80 years with this man. (They let murderers go free after 20 years.)

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I am a 22 y/o catholic woman struggling with my decision to marry my fiancé. We have been dating for 3 years. I have always been a little bit weary of our relationship because it didn’t start if on a great foot in terms of being in line with the Catholic faith. And as we continued it only got worse we have been engaging in fornication for the majority of the relationship and I feel that is why I’ve stayed with him so long. I don’t feel happy with him mostly because we have done nothing to bring each other closer to God. He keeps telling me that by marrying him we are doing penance for our sins because traditionally if you have fornicated with someone you got married. I’m just not quite sure where to go from here. I have no desire to plan our wedding because I don’t think I want to do it. I have prayed about it and have not seem to getting any answers. I have very big reservations about getting married to him and the only thing stopping me from calling off our marriage is the fact that both of our families love each other and I don’t want to ruin that and the fact that all my friends are his friends too. I also have developed feelings for someone else in the midst of all of these problems which isn’t helping anything. Now obviously this is only the tip of the iceberg of problems that I wish to tell you about but I am asking for any advice.
First, Talk to your priest, alone immediately.

Second, never take relationship advice from strangers on a Internet forum…even a Catholic one…

Third, you’re in control of your life, no-one else. The biggest lesson you can learn from your young age is the ability to say no. Not just to this but too many situations in life.
 
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With role-playing and other practice, you can learn to be direct with the people who are putting pressure on you.

In the end, you probably will have to sit down with [Name-of-man] and both sets of parents.

(If you feel awkward doing that, just think how awkward a divorce would feel. This is better.)

You will have to tell them, “I do not want to marry [Name].”

You would tell the five of them, “This is not cold feet. This is the truth. [Man] is a lovable person with many lovable qualities, but I don’t love you.”

(Note: if Man is not lovable and does not have lovable qualities, omit this sentence.)

(The fact that you and [Man] have fornicated, as you so honestly phrase it, makes me think this man knows that Church Talk works on you. Maybe he also thinks you’re reluctant to reveal this data. You may have to – so that he cannot hold it over your head.)

You would tell the five of them: "The truth is that we have been dating so long because we fornicated. Sometimes we still do. That’s why this needs to be a clean break, so that we will not sin anymore. I confused lust with love. But after confession and prayer, I don’t think this is love.

"But if I really loved this man, I would have wanted to marry him already to get him off the market. I wouldn’t be wishing that someone else would come along and take him off my hands without my having to do the work of a break-up. But I do have to do the work.

"The truth is that all we have to hold us together is sex. And if I had to do it over again, I wish I had kept my virginity.

“I wish I had my virginity to give to the man whom I’ll grow old with. That we will accept children lovingly from God. That we will bring up the children in the faith. And when we die, we will be buried beside each other. And we will see each other in Heaven. Please understand that I am not trying to hurt your feelings … but I don’t feel that [Man] fits any of those categories, let alone all of them. I don’t believe marriage should be a Penance. Marriage is supposed to bless us. I don’t feel any blessing can come from continuing this affair.”

“I don’t want to belong to someone else when the right man comes along. And I’m hoping that [Man] doesn’t want to belong to someone else when the right woman comes along.”

“I hope that [the five others] can agree with me that it is time to separate with truth and kindness. I wish [Man] all the best.”




If they do get nasty, just remember the relatives who got cranky when they spent money on a casket, a granite stone, and a grief buffet for Uncle So-and-so – and Uncle had the temerity to live! Uncle probably would tell those insensitive boobs to take a hike. So can you. Just tell them, “If you like him so much, then you marry him!”



Finally, a poster just recommended not to take relationship advice from strangers. I can respect that. Isn’t it the doctor’s motto that "First you meet. THEN you treat."

There is a difference between a people-pleasing Nice Girl ™, versus a godly woman. Marriage is for grown-ups. If you can’t say No and make it stick, you might not be grown up enough just yet.

Please keep us posted.
 
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Engagement is so you can discern if you should marry that person. Jesus is waiting for you to confess sleeping with your fiancé and wants to make you whole. If you are having serious doubts about this, I would say you already know the answer.
 
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