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FiveLinden
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'fraid not. But I have an interest in Austronesian languages.
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paperwight
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Penny dropping moment! 'Sowsnek 'Is that where the word Sassenach comes from, that stereotype Scots call the English?
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Sarcelle
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Speaking of Austronesian languages, the Hawaiian language is close related to the Maori language.Emeraldlady:
'fraid not. But I have an interest in Austronesian languages.
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Saxum
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There’s a big population of Anglo-Indians in India. They’re people with mixed Indian and English ancestry. They’re very proud of their heritage.
In fact, I’ve met tons of Indians who have nothing but praise for Britain and it’s Empire. Many have said that they’re thankful for the things the UK did in India e.g. the railroads, schools, hospitals. A couple of Tamils I once told me they disliked Ghandi and wished the British still governed India. That was a huge shock to me because I’ve always admired Ghandi and his non-violent liberation.
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Saxum
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Do people from Cornwall not identify as English?
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Sarcelle
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There are some Hong Kong Chinese who say that the UK shouldn’t have ceded Hong Kong to the PRC.
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Saxum
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I personally met one of them at university. He was a proud Cantonese who strongly opposed communist China and expressed sorrow that he couldn’t get a British passport like his parents. He was a Royalist and wished Hong Kong was still under the British Crown.
His attitude also shocked me. They don’t teach us the positive parts of the Empire at school; they either ignore it all together or express embarrassment at our imperial past.
His attitude also shocked me. They don’t teach us the positive parts of the Empire at school; they either ignore it all together or express embarrassment at our imperial past.
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Dan_Defender
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I was responding to scarcelle who wrote about visiting Ireland too.
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FiveLinden
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Including a genocidal famine or two?
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FiveLinden
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A person claiming to be a refugee claimed he faced persecution in his home country because he had converted to Christianity. An official, as required by law, sought to verify the story and asked about the conversion. The answer included a claim that Islam was not peaceful, whereas Christianity was peaceful. The official believed it was unlikely anyone with a cursory knowledge of Christianity could have thought this handmade notes about Biblical injunctions to violence to record his thinking. His decision is subject to a right of appeal, and from there to the courts. This is not ‘the British government’ calling Christianity a ‘religion of violence’.
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FiveLinden
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Ah. OK. My bad.
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joyfulandactive
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I did think about my lack of charity to Anglicans in my comment so my apologies. If ALL Christians including plenty of Catholics were practicing their faith in so much of the West, not just the UK we could only see a more caring, loving society everywhere. In terns of your other accusations Rob you may be quick to judge. People had already expressed a range of opinions reflecting the reality of British society.
It’s interesting that someone mentioned Anglo-Indians as my Aunt is Anglo-Indian, moving to London from India with her family in the 1950s and marrying my uncle in the 1960s. They experienced plenty of racism as did their son, my cousin, who was attacked and stabbed in the streets in the 1980s. We are quite a typical British family, my mum from London, my dad from the NorthEast of England. I have family members who are Hungarian, African-Canadian and American. Our background is also Jewish from the East End. So I think you need to be careful about jumping to any conclusions about what people think and feel without asking directly. You are just as guilty of stereotyping if you make sweeping statements as anyone on this thread.
London has been multicultural for some time now. As a child at London schools in the 1970s my classmates included those who were Hindu, Muslim and Sikh. I can’t say there were many practicing Christians although the families of African and Caribbean descent were more likely to be Godfearing. Not to say we were very aware of it at the time. We were more interested in the movie “Grease”, ABBA, playing marbles and skipping rope.
It’s interesting that someone mentioned Anglo-Indians as my Aunt is Anglo-Indian, moving to London from India with her family in the 1950s and marrying my uncle in the 1960s. They experienced plenty of racism as did their son, my cousin, who was attacked and stabbed in the streets in the 1980s. We are quite a typical British family, my mum from London, my dad from the NorthEast of England. I have family members who are Hungarian, African-Canadian and American. Our background is also Jewish from the East End. So I think you need to be careful about jumping to any conclusions about what people think and feel without asking directly. You are just as guilty of stereotyping if you make sweeping statements as anyone on this thread.
London has been multicultural for some time now. As a child at London schools in the 1970s my classmates included those who were Hindu, Muslim and Sikh. I can’t say there were many practicing Christians although the families of African and Caribbean descent were more likely to be Godfearing. Not to say we were very aware of it at the time. We were more interested in the movie “Grease”, ABBA, playing marbles and skipping rope.
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Though I am of Asian descent and am an natural born U.S. citizen who has never been to Europe, I consider myself an English Catholic, though not necessarily for the reasons you posted. I am a canonical member of the Personal Ordinariate of the Chair of St. Peter who uses the Ordo 2019 for the Divine Office according to the Personal Ordinariate of Our Lady of the Southern Cross. Our Divine Office is based on the Book of Common Prayer, and at least in the Personal Ordinariate of the Chair of St. Peter, our Mass is also based on various forms of the BCP and the Roman Missal.
Moreover, I have a particular devotion to the Holy Martyrs of England and Wales and our Lady under her title “Our Lady of Walsingham”, an English title. I also enjoy reading British ecclesiastical and secular history.
Additionally, I also enjoy reading Anglican works and listening to their beautiful and rich choral music - even outside of Mass and Evensong (who listens to church music outside of…church??) and believe that much of their patrimony can be anchored onto the foundation of St. Peter. One does have to be careful, though, when reading Anglican or any non-Catholic text that one actually knows the Holy Catholic Faith before doing so.
While I am fascinated by the earthly monarchies, I take no position on their continued existence, except that no government should interfere with the furtherance of the Holy Gospel of Our Lord Jesus Christ.
While I am a product of American culture, include fast food, etc., I wish to live more graciously - tea time with pastries and the like (and yes, I am a man seeking a woman, so don’t even entertain the idea).
Finally, a disclaimer: not every member of an ordinariate under “Anglicanorum Coetibus” considers him- or herself to be an “English Catholic”. I speak for no one but myself.
Moreover, I have a particular devotion to the Holy Martyrs of England and Wales and our Lady under her title “Our Lady of Walsingham”, an English title. I also enjoy reading British ecclesiastical and secular history.
Additionally, I also enjoy reading Anglican works and listening to their beautiful and rich choral music - even outside of Mass and Evensong (who listens to church music outside of…church??) and believe that much of their patrimony can be anchored onto the foundation of St. Peter. One does have to be careful, though, when reading Anglican or any non-Catholic text that one actually knows the Holy Catholic Faith before doing so.
While I am fascinated by the earthly monarchies, I take no position on their continued existence, except that no government should interfere with the furtherance of the Holy Gospel of Our Lord Jesus Christ.
While I am a product of American culture, include fast food, etc., I wish to live more graciously - tea time with pastries and the like (and yes, I am a man seeking a woman, so don’t even entertain the idea).
Finally, a disclaimer: not every member of an ordinariate under “Anglicanorum Coetibus” considers him- or herself to be an “English Catholic”. I speak for no one but myself.
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I have found the Ordinariates to be fascinating, so thank you for contributing. A good friend of mine in Croydon, near London who has been the leader of RCIA in her parish for a decade, helped prepare a Church of England minister and a large number of his parishioners when they entered the church through the Ordinariate, in 2012 I believe.
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I’m curious to know how you have maintained RP despite being two generations removed from relatives who were actually born in England. My relatives who emigrated to Australia adopted the Australian accent within their own lifetimes. It must have required something of an effort to maintain RP while being surrounded by the NZ accent all the time.
I’m also curious as to where you get the idea that there is anything particularly English about dressing in a formal manner. The only occasions on which I wear a jacket and tie are funerals, weddings, graduation ceremonies, and giving evidence in court. Even doctors and lawyers seldom wear jackets and ties.
I find it surprising that you say ‘automobiles’. While most British people now say ‘car’, the old-fashioned term was ‘motorcar’ or simply ‘motor’.
I don’t think you’ll find much support for Thatcher among Catholics in Britain. While they proved useful allies against communism, John Paul II was also highly critical of Thatcher’s economic policies and those of Ronald Reagan. Indeed, The Common Good, published by the Catholic bishops of England and Wales in 1996, was widely perceived as supporting Tony Blair’s Labour Party.
Furthermore, I wonder whether you have failed to grasp some of the nuances of Conservative Party politics. Thatcherism won support among the nouveau riche, the middle class, and even the aspirational working class. The upper classes have as a rule tended to favour One Nation Conservatism and hence their more favoured Conservative prime ministers would be more likely to be Harold Macmillan, Alec Douglas-Home, and perhaps even Edward Heath. The Queen herself is known to have disliked Mrs Thatcher both personally and politically, while is it said that her favourite prime minister was Harold Wilson (her father had enjoyed a similarly warm relationship with Clement Attlee).
As for Jacob Rees-Mogg, if you want to find out what sort of a man he really is, look no further than his contributions to the Second Sitting of the Public Bill Committee on the Affordable Homes Bill 2014-15. That is the occasion on which he recited a verse from the hymn ‘O God, Our Help in Ages Past’ simply as a means of wasting time that the committee would otherwise have spent debating a bill to which he was opposed (a bill that would have made housing more affordable for the poorest and most vulnerable people in society).
I’m also curious as to where you get the idea that there is anything particularly English about dressing in a formal manner. The only occasions on which I wear a jacket and tie are funerals, weddings, graduation ceremonies, and giving evidence in court. Even doctors and lawyers seldom wear jackets and ties.
I find it surprising that you say ‘automobiles’. While most British people now say ‘car’, the old-fashioned term was ‘motorcar’ or simply ‘motor’.
I don’t think you’ll find much support for Thatcher among Catholics in Britain. While they proved useful allies against communism, John Paul II was also highly critical of Thatcher’s economic policies and those of Ronald Reagan. Indeed, The Common Good, published by the Catholic bishops of England and Wales in 1996, was widely perceived as supporting Tony Blair’s Labour Party.
Furthermore, I wonder whether you have failed to grasp some of the nuances of Conservative Party politics. Thatcherism won support among the nouveau riche, the middle class, and even the aspirational working class. The upper classes have as a rule tended to favour One Nation Conservatism and hence their more favoured Conservative prime ministers would be more likely to be Harold Macmillan, Alec Douglas-Home, and perhaps even Edward Heath. The Queen herself is known to have disliked Mrs Thatcher both personally and politically, while is it said that her favourite prime minister was Harold Wilson (her father had enjoyed a similarly warm relationship with Clement Attlee).
As for Jacob Rees-Mogg, if you want to find out what sort of a man he really is, look no further than his contributions to the Second Sitting of the Public Bill Committee on the Affordable Homes Bill 2014-15. That is the occasion on which he recited a verse from the hymn ‘O God, Our Help in Ages Past’ simply as a means of wasting time that the committee would otherwise have spent debating a bill to which he was opposed (a bill that would have made housing more affordable for the poorest and most vulnerable people in society).
Received pronunciation is not the same thing as southern pronunciation. And I don’t know where you get the idea that people in the South of England have better manners than people in the Midlands and the North. Surely you can see that that is pretty offensive, especially since you have presumably never even been to the Midlands or the North and cannot know how people there behave.
Spelled ‘Grey’. I am beginning to wonder whether this whole thread is a wind-up!
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Do you mean the Anglican Church in Aotearoa, New Zealand and Polynesia, which is part of the Anglican Communion, but not part of the Church of England?
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Agree. I worked in British catholic schools. Lots of Muslim kids there. Never heard of any crosseds being removed. All kids would involve themselves in the nativity. Never much of a drama.
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catholic03
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I also wish to commend Saxum. You are not afraid to speak the truth. If you do not know, then I suggest you research His Eminence Cardinal Raymond Leo Burke. He is truly wonderful.
You are certainly a faithful Catholic.
May God Bless You
You are certainly a faithful Catholic.
May God Bless You
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YourNameHere
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Welcome to the CAF family. I am American. My ancestry is German, English, and Spanish. God bless England!
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Sarcelle
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Speaking of northern England, one of my favorite songs
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