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And we are assuming people will convert in droves. They absolutely won’t. Most young people here are happy with Wetherspoons, Netflix and Love Island. Not knocking them but you have to assume the English are religious people these days in order to assume a new religious identity - ain’t gonna happen. If they’ve abandoned their old faith they ain’t gonna take up a new and more ‘restrictive’ one.
 
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My main issue isn’t Islam per se. The real issue is the de-Christianisation of England. This means that Islam will one day be the main religion here; that is, unless our Sikh brothers start coming here in droves.

People may disagree, but my idea of England is captured in the following words: Cross, Crown, Common Law. Of these three, the Cross is the most important. I just worry that the Cresent Moon will one day obscure the Cross. When and if that day comes, English culture will be six foot under.
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I’ve a number of English expat friends here in Australia. Having noticed the difference between fully State funded Catholic Schools in England compared to the Church funded Catholic schools here, they recognise a serious deficiency in catechesis England has without the religious protections we have. One friend related the situation in a north England Christian school where because there were many Muslim children enrolled, they were forced to take down crosses and other Christian symbols from classrooms.
 
Did the Muslim families insist on the school taking down the crosses or was it the government in the name of political correctness?

The reason I ask is that I know Muslims who attend Christian schools and the last thing they want to do is to insist that the school remove Christian symbols. They know they are attending a Christian school so they are not surprised that they see Christian symbols.
 
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Sarcelle said:
Did the Muslim families insist on the school taking down the crosses or was it the government in the name of political correctness?

The reason I ask is that I know Muslims who attend Christian schools and the last thing they want to do is to insist that the school remove Christian symbols. They know they are attending a Christian school so they are not surprised that they see Christian symbols.
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I’m not sure what motivated it; pupils or government. It’s a sign of the loss of religious freedoms either way.
 
Exactly . This is not what happens. I call fake news. I work in a multicultural faith school
 
Even at accelerated birth rates it would take centuries. This while replacement nonsense caused 50 deaths in New Zealand, can we please put this stupidity to bed.
 
Call me an honourary English Catholic.

You’ll be able to guess my birthplace from my avatar. 🙂

I had a year of schooling in England (Ipswich) in 1970/71, and while we were there my family toured the country extensively, and I fell in love with castles, cathedrals and English country towns!

Later on a I came to love English culture, from Shakespeare right through to Eveleyn Waugh and Rumpole of the Bailey.

I was raised Anglican (nice!) but my first association with Catholicism was through my university Catholic chapel which featured (unbeknown to me) a choir in the English style. It was ❤️ at first sound for me!

So with that background I have a deep love for all things English Catholic: Newman, Manly Hopkins, Elgar, the Medieval Church and Saints, the Anglican Ordinariate, Magna Carta, etc. Even the KJV and Shakespeare, which were so close to the pre-reformation Catholic England that they substantially drew from them. I am quite sympathetic to the 'Shakespeare was a Catholic" idea.

I was most fortunate to spend a week in England last July, and while there attended Mass at Corpus Christi church in Covent Garden, and I felt I was “home”. Five minutes before Mass they asked for a “reader”, so I got to read for them - what a blessing!
 
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SaintJude said:
I am English. I like JRM though I am a floating voter. I love my country but am becoming ever more disenfranchised by society. It is woefully intolerant of those who don’t accept ‘progressive’ mores.

St John Fisher Ora pro nobis!
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Amen!

How could I have omitted A Man for All Seasons from my list of English loves?! 😮😍

As for “progressive” culture in England I certainly saw it all around me in my week there last year. You are facing the same dark forces at work in the rest of the west.
 
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Ahh, Ipswich. I attended a Church of England school in New Zealand. I would happily recommend it to anybody. Anglican schools provide education of an extremely high quality. One must, of course, be aware of being indoctrinated.
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I attended a top notch Anglican school in Melbourne in the 1960’s and can vouch for all that (back then). I sang in the excellent choir and loved the school discipline, prayers and RE. I wouldn’t even caution against “being indoctrinated”.😃 The priest was all kindness and I can’t remember being taught a single thing which I didn’t carry with me later into Catholicism.
 
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I haven’t been in England since 1993,my time there was mostly spent down in Cornwall in between trips working in Ireland (I’m Australian)
I’m sure I would be astounded at changes in both countries.In a way I would almost rather leave my memory of England as it was.
 
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FiveLinden, have you been to New Zealand before. Just curious
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Āe, kua taemai kē au.
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I’m hopeless at cryptic clues but interested in claims of heritage. Are you of Māori descent?
 
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Kernow ov. Nyns ov vy Sowsnek. (I am a Cornishman. I am not English). Cornwall is a Celtic nation with its own language and culture and many of us do not consider ourselves to be English. Our patron saint is Piran, not George. Anyway, I’d better shut up before I get carried away
 
Oh:thinking:I was told by the Irish that your people were the Irish that couldn’t swim 😉
 
I’m of English descent. Or more appropriately, the entire U.K.

Not sure why New Zealanders want to abdicate the Queen from their country. But, then, I am not a New Zealander. Us Americans had detached ties with the Crown through our War of Independence. Yet, our relationship with a country we somehow detested for some number of years, has been rekindled. More so through a few World Wars.

New Zealanders will probably be prejudiced towards the Queen. But, will likely hold onto a lot of things they like about the Royalty. And, certain things about the English. Ask people from India. Many who hold onto British pronouns in their speech. Also, they still use the British style of education. Go figure. I think New Zealanders will likely do the same. And, if I am not mistaken, their accent, still sounds quite, nearly as close as one can be, British!
 
I liked Cornwall very much,a quiet,strong and gentle people.
Travelling by ferry to Ireland for the first time though gave me the strong sensation of going home .Fifth generation Australia and 75% Irish.
Little wonder I like the sea to be with in reach!😅
 
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