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Sickening! This is one of the reasons why I am a Catholic and not an Episcopalian! Plus there is the fact the Episcopalian/Anglican bishops and priests do not have valid apostolic succession and cannot therefore validly consecrate the Eucharist or perform any other sacraments except for baptism and matrimony. I may be wrong about matrimony but I am pretty sure that I read somewhere that Protestant marriage ceremonies are valid (this is assuming, of course, that it is a marriage between one man and one woman and not a “gay marriage”).
 
Janet1983 said:
Or it goes to show that people should read their Bible a little more often…
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Hi Janet, you stated “Or it goes to show that people should read their Bible a little more often” to the statement made by anp1215 (This to me just further proves why the magisterium is needed.) this is so true; people should and need to read and pray on Sacred Scripture. I would not diminish this practice one bit. However, I think the point is that the magisterium as a single governing entity on matters of faith and morals is needed to set one standard and one interpretation of Sacred Scripture for the Church. It brings order to chaos. Anything that the magisterium would pronounce would be based on Sacred Scripture. You have to admit that there are those who proclaim that Sacred Scripture supports some of the issues associated with moral decay. Look at this issue alone. Peace.
 
wmscott said:
Hi Janet, you stated “Or it goes to show that people should read their Bible a little more often” to the statement made by anp1215 (This to me just further proves why the magisterium is needed.) this is so true; people should and need to read and pray on Sacred Scripture. I would not diminish this practice one bit. However, I think the point is that the magisterium as a single governing entity on matters of faith and morals is needed to set one standard and one interpretation of Sacred Scripture for the Church. It brings order to chaos. Anything that the magisterium would pronounce would be based on Sacred Scripture. You have to admit that there are those who proclaim that Sacred Scripture supports some of the issues associated with moral decay. Look at this issue alone. Peace.
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The Catholic leaning side of me tends to agree, but I would point out that many Christians have stayed faithful to Christian teaching on this without help of the Magisterium-such as conservative Baptists, Pentecostals, Lutherans (not ELCA), Evangelicals, etc…

The TEC has not gone down this route solely because they have not submitted themselves to the authority of the Magisterium. Rather, they are pursuing what their itching ears want to hear.
 
Holly3278 said:
Sickening! This is one of the reasons why I am a Catholic and not an Episcopalian! Plus there is the fact the Episcopalian/Anglican bishops and priests do not have valid apostolic succession and cannot therefore validly consecrate the Eucharist or perform any other sacraments except for baptism and matrimony. I may be wrong about matrimony but I am pretty sure that I read somewhere that Protestant marriage ceremonies are valid (this is assuming, of course, that it is a marriage between one man and one woman and not a “gay marriage”).
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So they say. 😉
 
SnakeMauler said:
Seriously… why are people today still Episcopalians? I mean just the word itself sounds dumb. A name was changed when they got to America because we were at war with England (if that’s not why, then I don’t care why). I’d like to just be called “Catholic”.
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I think it’s because, at their best, they are spiritually powerful. Obviously, there is very little of “their best” still in existence. But a Rite I or 1928 BCP service with “the works” - Anglican hymns, altar rails, plenty of sung parts - it is an experience like no other that can really draw one closer to God. Truthfully, it can become a snare if it is allowed to keep one bound to an otherwise apostate parish. But, in a faithful parish (and they’re still out there, just not making the news) - there is much that is worthy.

But as for the name, Anglican sounds much better than Episcopalian. 👍
JohnnyReb said:
Tuscaloosa has a big Orthodox Church downtown, but I think its Greek, or maybe OCA, I’ll have to look it up again.
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I did not know that! But I drove through there to Moundville about 2 weeks ago and saw that Moundville has a new-looking OCA church. Who knew? I think that’s really cool.
Janet1983 said:
Or it goes to show that people should read their Bible a little more often…
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Absolutely! 👍
 
The_Sentry said:
So they say. 😉
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Per Apostolicae Curae, Merry del Val’s words over Leo XIII’s signature, a sad, complicated tale.

OTOH, Anglicans have a different view of the matter. And the form and intent. But it is certainly proper for any RC to affirm what the RCC teaches.

GKC

Anglicanus-Catholicus
 
JohnnyReb said:
The Catholic leaning side of me tends to agree, but I would point out that many Christians have stayed faithful to Christian teaching on this without help of the Magisterium-such as conservative Baptists, Pentecostals, Lutherans (not ELCA), Evangelicals, etc…

The TEC has not gone down this route solely because they have not submitted themselves to the authority of the Magisterium. Rather, they are pursuing what their itching ears want to hear.
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I agree and I have no argument to what you have said. However from what I read in Janet’s statement “Or it goes to show that people should read their Bible a little more often” it lends its self to be misinterpreted as saying all people need to do is read the Bible and none of this would be an issue. You and I know that outside those of us (Christian brothers and sisters who remain faithful to God’s word and plan) having millions upon millions of individual private interpretations of Sacred Scripture is what has got some “Christians” in this mess.

Our Christian brothers and sisters who have been fortunate enough to remain faithful to Christian teaching on this without help of the Magisterium is a blessing. Christ is truly present there. I merely point out that for the Catholic Church thank God for the Magisterium with its wisdom and guidance from the HS, that we have not gone down the path of those who have forsaken Gods Word and plan for us.

We also have to remember that these “Christians” have fallen prey to the Great Deceiver, being sinners as we all are, we all must be on guard to prevent this from happening to us also. We really need to pray for these lost “Christians” and pray that they see the lie that has been sowed within their midst, repent, and return to God. Peace.
 
wmscott said:
Hi Janet, you stated “Or it goes to show that people should read their Bible a little more often” to the statement made by anp1215 (This to me just further proves why the magisterium is needed.) this is so true; people should and need to read and pray on Sacred Scripture. I would not diminish this practice one bit. However, I think the point is that the magisterium as a single governing entity on matters of faith and morals is needed to set one standard and one interpretation of Sacred Scripture for the Church. It brings order to chaos. Anything that the magisterium would pronounce would be based on Sacred Scripture. You have to admit that there are those who proclaim that Sacred Scripture supports some of the issues associated with moral decay. Look at this issue alone. Peace.
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Granted, for all those who are Catholic.
Said issue however is rather clearly found in Scripture. Homosexual activity is not commended in Scripture. On the contrary.
It doesn’t take a Ph.D. to figure that one out. It only takes a Ph.D. to distort it…

Romans 1:26-27 (HCSB)
“This is why God delivered them over to degrading passions. For even their females exchanged natural sexual intercourse for what is unnatural. The males in the same way also left natural sexual intercourse with females and were inflamed in their lust for one another. Males committed shameless acts with males and received in their own persons the appropriate penalty for their perversion.”

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (HCSB)
“Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit God’s kingdom? Do not be deceived: no sexually immoral people, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, homosexuals, thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, or swindlers will inherit God’s kingdom.”
(I believe the context shows that all of these require action. Just being homosexual doesn’t make one part of that group mentioned here.)

1 Timothy 1:9-10 (HCSB)
“We know that the law is not meant for a righteous person, but for the lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinful, for the unholy and irreverent, for those who kill their fathers and mothers, for murderers, for the sexually immoral and homosexuals, for kidnappers, liars, perjurers, and for whatever else is contrary to the sound teaching”
(I believe the context shows that all of these require action. Just being homosexual doesn’t make one part of that group mentioned here.)

Jude 1:7 (HCSB)
“In the same way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them committed sexual immorality and practiced perversions, just as they did, and serve as an example by undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.”
 
To Father Mark, the Church of Our Savior is in Milton, Massachusetts. I’m not talking about Milton, Florida. I live in Milton, Massachusetts, and that’s where St. Agatha’s and the Church of Our Savior are located.
 
If I were ever to consider becoming Christian, reading through comments like these would certainly make me change my mind in a hurry.

Seeker
 
thebigbang said:
Near my parish chuch in Milton, where I sing at Sunday Mass, is an Episcopal Church. In fact, it’s diagonally across the street from us. Some Sunday mornings, when I cross over to Church, I see a banner hanging outside the door saying “We Rejoice In Equal Marriage,” written over a Rainbow. This means that they allow “same-sex” marriages, or there is such a ceremony in progress at that moment. I can’t believe that the Episcopal Church would turn its back on the teaching of traditional marriage and buy into the lie about same-sex marriage. If my parish hung a banner like that, I would boycott that church and switch to another parish. Let’s face it; same-sex marriage is one of our 5 non-negotiable issues. We should rejoice in traditional marriage-between one man and one woman.
“What God has joined together, let no one tear asunder.”
Jesus Christ

Remember, God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.
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More Than Enough Reason, Of Course, To Further Rejoice In The Fact That You’re Part Of Holy Mother Church. 👍

The EC is a Sinking Ship-----Has Been For Decades. Let It Further Sink Into The Depths Of Ignominy. THEIR Problem.

I Agree With The Other Posters---------Their Loss, Our Gain. More Folks Returning To The Certainty And Majesty Of The One True Church. 👍
 
SnakeMauler said:
Seriously… why are people today still Episcopalians? I mean just the word itself sounds dumb. A name was changed when they got to America because we were at war with England (if that’s not why, then I don’t care why). I’d like to just be called “Catholic”.
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Well sure. And we typically claim that we are Catholic!

I really don’t think that the “dumbness” of the name is particularly relevant. As far as denominational names go, it’s a fine one. It refers, after all, to the key linchpin of historic Catholic polity. It links us with St. Ignatius of Antioch, who said, “do nothing without the bishop.”

While “Anglican” sounds classier because it has this English connection, and while I prefer to be called “Anglican” because these days the connotations of that word are preferable to those of “Episcopalian” (in other words, I’m loyal to the Anglican Communion above the national Episcopal Church), as a matter of fact the name “Anglican” taken in and of itself is a lot more disturbing. While “Episcopalian” reminds us of what is Catholic about our tradition, “Anglican” reminds us that we are a national church gone rogue.

As to why people are Episcopalians?

A major issue for me was that I knew I believed in the “Catholic stuff” taught in Anglicanism (as opposed to my very low-church Holiness background), but I wasn’t sure about the more specific teachings of “Rome” and/or the Eastern Churches.

Also, John and Charles Wesley, the spiritual fathers of my Holiness tradition (at least we liked to claim them!), died as Anglicans.

Why do I remain? Because I do not believe in schism, and I believe that separating from any body of Christian believers is schism. I know that this definition has problems and is not the traditional one, but I find the alternatives to be abstract, and I fear being pulled away from a concrete community of believers into the worship of my own ideas.

Edwin
 
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