Episcopal Committee Is Working on Gay Rite

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Dale_M said:
Yes, that is very true. šŸ‘

When doing math, one person may get the wrong results, and the other get the right results. But both use reason to perform calculations, and both persons believe they have achieved the right results. They believe their calculations fit with reality, so they choose to believe that result. They consider it good.

This doesnā€™t mean that both results are correct. My disagreement with your earlier statement is that you complained ā€œAnd for the fifty-million-trillionth time since Adam, somebody decides for themselves what is good.ā€

I merely pointed out that each of us decides what is good. However, some of us are right and some of us are wrong. You follow the Church because you believe it is right. Another person may disagree with the Church. But both you and that other person is deciding what is good.
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Merely believing it is right does not make it so.
 
1holycatholic said:
Catholics who accept the Lutheran Catechism excommunicate themselves from the Church LatƦ SententiƦ.
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So what? My point was that the Lutheran Catechism has as little meaning to a Catholic as CC#37 has for a Lutheran. Unless either converts to the other faith. It is always a matter of deciding for oneself what is good.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
And, if one is a Lutheran, CC 37 has little meaning for him. And, Catholics too, may reject the Lutheran Catechism.
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And for that matter, if one embraces the religion of Montezuma and offers human sacrifice, who are we to judge whether their religion is right or wrong? Itā€™s all supposedly right for them, since thereā€™s no absolute moral truth apart from doctrinal choice, eh?

Even so, the catechism listed ought to have meaning for one who self-ascribes the ā€˜Catholicā€™ label.
 
Stylites said:
And for that matter, if one embraces the religion of Montezuma and offers human sacrifice, who are we to judge whether their religion is right or wrong? Itā€™s all supposedly right for them, since thereā€™s no absolute moral truth apart from doctrinal choice, eh?
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We may judge them wrong, certainly. We believe that the Protestant faiths are wrong, just as they judge Catholicism to have fallen into error some several hundred years ago. But, do Catholics or Protestants believe their own religions to be wrong? Did the Aztecs not believe their religion to be correct even though the Conquistadors thought it to be wrong?
 
Stylites said:
Even so, the catechism listed ought to have meaning for one who self-ascribes the ā€˜Catholicā€™ label.
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We believe it because we are Catholics. Quakers and others are under no such obligation, just as we are under no obligation to their Articles of Faith.
 
Dale_M said:
I merely pointed out that each of us decides what is good. However, some of us are right and some of us are wrong. You follow the Church because you believe it is right. Another person may disagree with the Church. But both you and that other person is deciding what is good.
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His Holiness The Dalai Lama once said " In reality there is no good or evil, there are only consequences" When one ponders that statement, it becomes apparent how profound it is.
 
1holycatholic said:
Episcopal Committee Is Working on Gay Rite

Armed with a new $400,000 grant and the support of the Episcopal Church, a Berkeley seminary is convening priests from across the country to craft the liturgical rite for same-sex couples to receive religious blessings.

The new rite, which will take years to complete, will most likely consist of a series of original prayers, Bible readings and two essays: one on the theological meaning of same-sex blessings, and one advising priests who administer the new rite. If approved, the new blessing would be just the third addition to Episcopal liturgy since 1979.
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Hey, how about a rite for cross-dressers šŸ¤·
 
Dale_M said:
What I am saying is that people do have different understandings of the world.
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That may be because people are human and have a finite mind in which to fully understand and comprehend all certainties of the world.
 
Stylites said:
the catechism listed ought to have meaning for one who self-ascribes the ā€˜Catholicā€™ label.
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Unless one has faith they are members of the CC by the manner in which the CC defines who is a Catholic.
 
So there is no truth, just a bunch of individual perceptions on the truth. Am I reading this wrong?
 
Dale_M said:
I think depends on where you live. Same-sex marriage is legal in 10 countries, not counting the US. Here, five states plus the District of Columbia allow it. And there are additional states which recognize such marriages performed elsewhere.

What I find interesting is that the Episcopal Church seems to be taking pains not to call the blessing of same-sex couples a marriage ceremony. This evasion doesnā€™t seem to satisfy the conservatives in TEC, but I suppose the name change is meant to soften the blow.
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I think what 1holycatholic means is that, while it may look like marriage, there really is no such thing as same-sex marriage. We can *call *it marriage all we want (or donā€™t want). That doesnā€™t make it marriage, because:
  1. marriage was created by God and God makes the rules
  2. the necessary ā€œmatterā€ for a marriage sacrament is one man and one woman
ā€¦the closest anyone can really get is a civil and/or religious bond that* looks* like marriage and may even be called marriage in some places. But it wonā€™t be a marriage.

Itā€™s like calling an apple an orange. Itā€™s still an apple. Calling it something else did not make it take on the essential properties of an orange.
 
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