Episcopal Committee Is Working on Gay Rite

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gurneyhalleck1 said:
Some conservatives have tried to skirt and sidestep the gay marriage agenda saying they’re in favor of “civil unions.” It seems a cop out to me. A serious Christian should be uncompromising in this area—civil unions and marriage are completely off limits for homosexuals, period.
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I suppose you might call it a cop out, but there’s belief and then there’s what we can reasonably hope to effect in the public/political landscape. It’s like pushing on a spaghetti noodle. If people want to call themselves “married” they will, legally recognized or not. We can’t really stop them. Shoot, I know two lesbian couples in Texas who call themselves “married” when they are no such thing…they’ve never even had any sort of civil or religious ceremony.

I could call myself purple if I wanted. “I’m purple!” Am I purple? No. Did I take some purple away from things that are really purple…make them less purple? No.

The Church doesn’t recognize gay marriages, plural marriages, common law marriages…they have all co-opted the word marriage but the total change that’s effected on the Catholic sacrament of marriage is 0%.

(Now, I believe that homosexual relationships are wrong and that our society’s growing acceptance of homosexuality as “mainstream” is harmful. In the best of all possible worlds, I would love it if the Catholic Church got to have its way on this issue…heck, ALL issues! 😛 But that’s just not going to happen.)
 
1holycatholic said:
Episcopal Committee Is Working on Gay Rite

Armed with a new $400,000 grant and the support of the Episcopal Church, a Berkeley seminary is convening priests from across the country to craft the liturgical rite for same-sex couples to receive religious blessings.

The new rite, which will take years to complete, will most likely consist of a series of original prayers, Bible readings and two essays: one on the theological meaning of same-sex blessings, and one advising priests who administer the new rite. If approved, the new blessing would be just the third addition to Episcopal liturgy since 1979.
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I am sorry,but that is going way to far. No wonder those communities are so divided,confused and jumping ship!
 
We’re in 100% total agreement, cecilia, blessings to you. I’m just trying to figure out why you suppose or assume I’d think your wise comments are a “cop out?” :confused:
cecilia97 said:
I suppose you might call it a cop out, but there’s belief and then there’s what we can reasonably hope to effect in the public/political landscape. It’s like pushing on a spaghetti noodle. If people want to call themselves “married” they will, legally recognized or not. We can’t really stop them. Shoot, I know two lesbian couples in Texas who call themselves “married” when they are no such thing…they’ve never even had any sort of civil or religious ceremony.

I could call myself purple if I wanted. “I’m purple!” Am I purple? No. Did I take some purple away from things that are really purple…make them less purple? No.

The Church doesn’t recognize gay marriages, plural marriages, common law marriages…they have all co-opted the word marriage but the total change that’s effected on the Catholic sacrament of marriage is 0%.

(Now, I believe that homosexual relationships are wrong and that our society’s growing acceptance of homosexuality as “mainstream” is harmful. In the best of all possible worlds, I would love it if the Catholic Church got to have its way on this issue…heck, ALL issues! 😛 But that’s just not going to happen.)
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Are you that sure? 😉 I hear folks call into Catholic Answers and write on Catholic blogs and forums and on EWTN question/answer all the time about being scrupulous to the nth degree. I don’t hear that much in Protestant circles where the emphasis on how we’re saved and journey is different, not so works-oriented and self-examining, etc. I’m glad you’ve never thought of leaving the Church and are happy in your faith. That’s a blessing. Thanks be to God.
Third_Day said:
First let me ask you to take the time and read this on the Church’s teaching on immigration. I agree with everything that it said. I consider myself to be a conservative on all social issues. I believe that the Catholic Church’s stand is reasonable.
justiceforimmigrants.org/documents/wester-interview.pdf

I’m 60 years old. I’ve been a Catholic all my life. I never even had a thought of leaving the Church. I have never suffered from being over scrupulous so I don’t think you can blame scrupulosity on the teachings of the Church. There are a billion Catholics. How many suffer from it? Very few I am sure.
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gurneyhalleck1 said:
We’re in 100% total agreement, cecilia, blessings to you. I’m just trying to figure out why you suppose or assume I’d think your wise comments are a “cop out?” :confused:
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Because I don’t have a problem if homosexuals want to call their relationships “civil unions”. It’s no skin off my nose if they do, and it won’t change what marriage really is.
 
Well I do have a problem with it 😉
cecilia97 said:
Because I don’t have a problem if homosexuals want to call their relationships “civil unions”. It’s no skin off my nose if they do, and it won’t change what marriage really is.
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All your answers are in the Orange Catholic Bible. Please read it daily.
 
1holycatholic said:
Episcopal Committee Is Working on Gay Rite

Armed with a new $400,000 grant and the support of the Episcopal Church, a Berkeley seminary is convening priests from across the country to craft the liturgical rite for same-sex couples to receive religious blessings.

The new rite, which will take years to complete, will most likely consist of a series of original prayers, Bible readings and two essays: one on the theological meaning of same-sex blessings, and one advising priests who administer the new rite. If approved, the new blessing would be just the third addition to Episcopal liturgy since 1979.
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Does this mean that later on the Episcopal Committee will push for a bi-sexual or trans-gender rite? When is enough…enough?
 
Cross-dressing will be part of their liturgy 😛 with Liberace music in the background…😃
Nicea325 said:
Does this mean that later on the Episcopal Committee will push for a bi-sexual or trans-gender rite? When is enough…enough?
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Nicea325 said:
Does this mean that later on the Episcopal Committee will push for a bi-sexual or trans-gender rite? When is enough…enough?
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Unless your an Episcopal bi-sexual or transgender member of the church, I’m a touch curious as to why it should be of concern to you.
 
1holycatholic said:
Episcopal Committee Is Working on Gay Rite

Armed with a new $400,000 grant and the support of the Episcopal Church, a Berkeley seminary is convening priests from across the country to craft the liturgical rite for same-sex couples to receive religious blessings.

The new rite, which will take years to complete, will most likely consist of a series of original prayers, Bible readings and two essays: one on the theological meaning of same-sex blessings, and one advising priests who administer the new rite. If approved, the new blessing would be just the third addition to Episcopal liturgy since 1979.
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in true liberal fashion, i bet there will be nothing solid. the 400,000 dollars will go to fluff and stuff. symbolism over substance. same old same old. :yawn:
 
I just noticed you’re located in Iraq, benidict. Blessings on you for safety, brother! 👍
benidict said:
in true liberal fashion, i bet there will be nothing solid. the 400,000 dollars will go to fluff and stuff. symbolism over substance. same old same old. :yawn:
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gurneyhalleck1 said:
I just noticed you’re located in Iraq, benidict. Blessings on you for safety, brother! 👍
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much appreciated gurney. thanks. keep praying the insurgents continue to be lousy shots while im here 😛 they couldnt hit the broad side of a barn with their mortars. i taken to sleeping through the attacks! lol! Peace 🙂
 
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