Episcopal Parish Petitions to Join the Ordinariate

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Hi Delta…

Glad you found where you belong. A few of us on here are still praying about it, searching, not totally “there” again yet. Indulgences, Honorius I, infallibility, treasury of merit, that stuff bothers me. Then there’s NFP, wow, that is another issue and can of worms I’m not going to open up! LOL

I’m definitely more Catholic than anything. Certainly more Catholic than Orthodox. I have several issues with their theological views. I’m a Western-minded kinda guy. I’m not an evangelical fan either. Like you, Packer and Stott and the gang aren’t my “thing.”
Congrats on your Giants beating my Braves. PLEASE PLEASE beat the Phillies. I am so sick of them.

Indulgences seem to bother me a bit, but Purgatory pulls me westward. I mean why pray for the dead if Purgatory is not real? I have wondered what the Orthodox answer to this to be. I have not seen a satisfactory Anglican answer for it either.

The Anti ABC stuff is another thorn in the side for for me.
 
Congrats on your Giants beating my Braves. PLEASE PLEASE beat the Phillies. I am so sick of them.

Indulgences seem to bother me a bit, but Purgatory pulls me westward. I mean why pray for the dead if Purgatory is not real? I have wondered what the Orthodox answer to this to be. I have not seen a satisfactory Anglican answer for it either.

The Anti ABC stuff is another thorn in the side for for me.
Well, one reason is you can pray for a dead person today, and your prayers can be applied at an earlier time - say a week before the person died. God doesn’t have to do things in chronological order.
 
Well, one reason is you can pray for a dead person today, and your prayers can be applied at an earlier time - say a week before the person died. God doesn’t have to do things in chronological order.
Well God does transcend time and space, so that goes make some sense.
 
Congrats on your Giants beating my Braves. PLEASE PLEASE beat the Phillies. I am so sick of them.

Indulgences seem to bother me a bit, but Purgatory pulls me westward. I mean why pray for the dead if Purgatory is not real? I have wondered what the Orthodox answer to this to be. I have not seen a satisfactory Anglican answer for it either.

The Anti ABC stuff is another thorn in the side for for me.
How about the one that Lewis used? Purgation as cleaning. No dogmatic opinion on whether it was a process or an event. or if it took place in what we think of as time.

GKC
 
You may have all heard this said when you mention the Episcopal Church:

“Oh, you mean that gay church?”

This is what Robinson,Glasspool, Schori, and Spong and others have brought to TEC - identification with a pansexual-homosexual agenda.

We fled TEC in the late 80’s - we were in the Diocese of Newark run by John Spong. One of our curates had actually died of AIDS (a practicing homosexual). Need I say more? After we moved West we attempted to attend a TEC, but found it to be under the control of a priest with whom we found ourselves at odds.

After many years of attempting to be good evangelicals in a Baptist Church, we really felt displaced, wandering in anti-liturgical land, longing for a real mass. Also, we found their constant attack on Catholicism ignorant and distateful. When the REC (Reformed Episcopal Church) opened a mission here, we rejoiced and began attending. Now we are part of the ACNA, and I’d never go back.

As far as those swimming the Tiber, I have no problem with them. They must do as the Holy Spirit leads. I think Pope Benedict was very kind in providing a safe refuge for those so inclined. Now, if we can just get Benedict to depose Rowan and Schori - but that’s another story!
 
My bishop, +John-David Schofield, has a more cynical view of the ordinariates. He isn’t a fan. Neither is my rector. They view it as a power play by Rome to ciphen out the anglo-catholics and steadily wipe out the Anglican Church. Bishop Schofield was courted by the Vatican himself. He told us legates met with him trying to get him to roll over and become Catholic. He is celibate, unmarried, an anglo-Catholic, so they figured they could convert him. No dice. A lot of people don’t like the way the ordinariates went down. And from an Anglican point of view, you have to admit, it’s pretty weird to be happy that the pope is draining your anglo-catholics and other folks out of your church leaving behind only the heretical algae. It’s not good for Anglicanism and not good for struggling and fledgling parishes/dioceses, etc.

The problem with Anglicanism is indeed the ABC and PB of TEC (God, now I sound like GKC; he’s an acronym maniac :p). They’re both a couple of lost souls trying to guide sheep. They’ve both really tainted the product badly. The pope cannot depose or deal with them so he’s stealing away their best parishoners leaving them only the goons and lefties and eventually the only real Anglicans will be the continuers! LOL…Back in the 70’s in St. Louis they were smart enough to read the tea leaves before the rest…
You may have all heard this said when you mention the Episcopal Church:

“Oh, you mean that gay church?”

This is what Robinson,Glasspool, Schori, and Spong and others have brought to TEC - identification with a pansexual-homosexual agenda.

We fled TEC in the late 80’s - we were in the Diocese of Newark run by John Spong. One of our curates had actually died of AIDS (a practicing homosexual). Need I say more? After we moved West we attempted to attend a TEC, but found it to be under the control of a priest with whom we found ourselves at odds.

After many years of attempting to be good evangelicals in a Baptist Church, we really felt displaced, wandering in anti-liturgical land, longing for a real mass. Also, we found their constant attack on Catholicism ignorant and distateful. When the REC (Reformed Episcopal Church) opened a mission here, we rejoiced and began attending. Now we are part of the ACNA, and I’d never go back.

As far as those swimming the Tiber, I have no problem with them. They must do as the Holy Spirit leads. I think Pope Benedict was very kind in providing a safe refuge for those so inclined. Now, if we can just get Benedict to depose Rowan and Schori - but that’s another story!
 
Well thanks so much, Johnny. You’re the first person other than Anna to wish my Giants well. It’s my experience that, largely in part to ESPN, the Giants are usually not liked across the country. And in California, you’re really either a Giants fan or a Dodgers fan. Yeah, there’s the Angels and A’s, and Padres but nobody really is serious about them LOL! (I’m kidding, they do have fans) and both sides are like the Cold War. We hate each other. Makes it more fun that way! We have some pretty mean names for each other (most of which I could never say on CAF! lol)…and the Dodgers-Giants rivalry gets heated at games.

ESPN hates the Giants like crazy and guys like Pedro Gomez always try to trash and disregard us. The Red Sox, Yankees, Cubs, and Braves get heaps of love thanks to the TONS of national coverage on ESPN, WGN, and TBS, etc.

I think most folks are going for the Phillies. They are the team to beat, loaded with talent, and overall are good guys. I have no hatred for the Phillies, just respect. But I am tired of them ruling the roost. Can we beat them? Our pitching is just as good, bull pen is better. Coaching equal IMO. Fans-wise I give us the edge. Our crowd is the greatest. But when it comes to offense, bats, shoot, Utley, Rollins, Howard, Victorino, all those cats, tough hill to climb. But hey, I believe in miracles! (you have to when you pull for the Bay Area teams! LOL, especially the Warriors! :p)
Congrats on your Giants beating my Braves. PLEASE PLEASE beat the Phillies. I am so sick of them.

Indulgences seem to bother me a bit, but Purgatory pulls me westward. I mean why pray for the dead if Purgatory is not real? I have wondered what the Orthodox answer to this to be. I have not seen a satisfactory Anglican answer for it either.

The Anti ABC stuff is another thorn in the side for for me.
 
My bishop, +John-David Schofield, has a more cynical view of the ordinariates. He isn’t a fan. Neither is my rector. They view it as a power play by Rome to ciphen out the anglo-catholics and steadily wipe out the Anglican Church. Bishop Schofield was courted by the Vatican himself. He told us legates met with him trying to get him to roll over and become Catholic. He is celibate, unmarried, an anglo-Catholic, so they figured they could convert him. No dice. A lot of people don’t like the way the ordinariates went down. And from an Anglican point of view, you have to admit, it’s pretty weird to be happy that the pope is draining your anglo-catholics and other folks out of your church leaving behind only the heretical algae. It’s not good for Anglicanism and not good for struggling and fledgling parishes/dioceses, etc.

The problem with Anglicanism is indeed the ABC and PB of TEC (God, now I sound like GKC; he’s an acronym maniac :p). They’re both a couple of lost souls trying to guide sheep. They’ve both really tainted the product badly. The pope cannot depose or deal with them so he’s stealing away their best parishoners leaving them only the goons and lefties and eventually the only real Anglicans will be the continuers! LOL…Back in the 70’s in St. Louis they were smart enough to read the tea leaves before the rest…
Gosh, I don’t think that Anglicans who choose to remain in the continuum are “heretical algae.” My own priest in more in tune with Eastern Orthodoxy than Roman Catholicism, but is Anglo-Catholic in belief and practice. Many good priests of an Anglo-Catholic bent have remained, and will remain in the Continuum - one reason being that they cannot be bishops if they are married. Our diocesan bishop, for instance, is strongly Anglo-Catholic and, being a married man, has no plans to swim the Tiber.

However, each must do what they believe, in their heart, the Lord wants them to do, and we should wish them well.
 
Wow, you definitely misunderstood me. The Anglican Communion and the Anglican Continuum are two totally different entities. You know that, right? The people in TAC by and large are great folks, often more catholic (small c) than the pope, very traditional, conservative, and dedicated. The heretical algae I’m referring to are the left wing liberals who want gay marriage, women’s ordination, bisexual cross-dressing rectors, etc.

I am not refusing to wish anyone well. I’m simply saying that there is more than one perspective in Anglicanism on the ordinariates and not all Anglicans are clicking their heals happy that they’re losing parishoners and bishops to the Roman Church. That’s all I’m saying here. A lot of great Anglicans are going bye-bye and they aren’t celebrating in the AC by and large.
Gosh, I don’t think that Anglicans who choose to remain in the continuum are “heretical algae.” My own priest in more in tune with Eastern Orthodoxy than Roman Catholicism, but is Anglo-Catholic in belief and practice. Many good priests of an Anglo-Catholic bent have remained, and will remain in the Continuum - one reason being that they cannot be bishops if they are married. Our diocesan bishop, for instance, is strongly Anglo-Catholic and, being a married man, has no plans to swim the Tiber.

However, each must do what they believe, in their heart, the Lord wants them to do, and we should wish them well.
 
The Anglicans approached the Pope, not the other way around. Who knows someone who is interested in the Ordinariate and knows your Bishop might have suggested to Rome that he might be interested.

The Catholic Church is not stealing anyone, if one chooses to become Catholic that is an individual choice. I am sure that Pope Benedict doesn’t need any more grief than he already has in his Church and there are some Anglicans who might bring even more.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette
 
I’ll be the first to admit that it’s the liberal, heterodox nonsense that is going on in Anglicanism that is causing this to happen and you’re right, it’s the Anglicans who approached the pope. I’m simply telling you that it’s the view of some Anglicans that Catholics are also trying to glean them off, too. As I told you, my bishop, John-David Schofield, has never gone to anyone in the Catholic Church, they’ve repeatedly come to him asking him to flip and convert to Catholicism. So there’s more to the story here than you’re privy to, I’m afraid.
The Anglicans approached the Pope, not the other way around. Who knows someone who is interested in the Ordinariate and knows your Bishop might have suggested to Rome that he might be interested.

The Catholic Church is not stealing anyone, if one chooses to become Catholic that is an individual choice. I am sure that Pope Benedict doesn’t need any more grief than he already has in his Church and there are some Anglicans who might bring even more.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette
 
I am sure that Pope Benedict doesn’t need any more grief than he already has in his Church…
I totally agree, Bernadette.
I hope that, if anything, PO and the Norms will bring the Holy Father many faithful allies against heterodox liberals within the Roman Communion, i.e. those who advocate anti-Catholic moral teachings, women’s ordination, and non-celibate clergy.

Blessings,
z
 
…bisexual cross-dressing rectors
Now that’s REALLY confusing. Imagine if General Synod had to debate the status of such rectors. Exploded brains (especially in the House of Laity!) would need to be cleaned from the wood panelling and expensive carpet…
I am not refusing to wish anyone well. I’m simply saying that there is more than one perspective in Anglicanism on the ordinariates and not all Anglicans are clicking their heals happy that they’re losing parishoners and bishops to the Roman Church.
That’s my perspective also.
 
Well thanks so much, Johnny. You’re the first person other than Anna to wish my Giants well. It’s my experience that, largely in part to ESPN, the Giants are usually not liked across the country. And in California, you’re really either a Giants fan or a Dodgers fan. Yeah, there’s the Angels and A’s, and Padres but nobody really is serious about them LOL! (I’m kidding, they do have fans) and both sides are like the Cold War. We hate each other. Makes it more fun that way! We have some pretty mean names for each other (most of which I could never say on CAF! lol)…and the Dodgers-Giants rivalry gets heated at games.

ESPN hates the Giants like crazy and guys like Pedro Gomez always try to trash and disregard us. The Red Sox, Yankees, Cubs, and Braves get heaps of love thanks to the TONS of national coverage on ESPN, WGN, and TBS, etc.

I think most folks are going for the Phillies. They are the team to beat, loaded with talent, and overall are good guys. I have no hatred for the Phillies, just respect. But I am tired of them ruling the roost. Can we beat them? Our pitching is just as good, bull pen is better. Coaching equal IMO. Fans-wise I give us the edge. Our crowd is the greatest. But when it comes to offense, bats, shoot, Utley, Rollins, Howard, Victorino, all those cats, tough hill to climb. But hey, I believe in miracles! (you have to when you pull for the Bay Area teams! LOL, especially the Warriors! :p)
Is this football? Or something else? I’m sure it must be sports…
 
Is this football? Or something else? I’m sure it must be sports…
Baseball. As for football, my Alabama boys went down in flames to South Carolina last week. Not a good sports week for me overall.
 
It was mixed for me. My beloved Giants advanced to the NLCS but the Oakland Raiders beat the Chargers. HATE the Raiders!!!
Baseball. As for football, my Alabama boys went down in flames to South Carolina last week. Not a good sports week for me overall.
 
I hope you mean university of south carolina and NOT University of Southern California! yuck! USC in southern calif. stands for “university of spoiled children”😛
Imagine my surprise.

GKC, USC, 1967
 
Wow, you definitely misunderstood me. The Anglican Communion and the Anglican Continuum are two totally different entities. You know that, right? The people in TAC by and large are great folks, often more catholic (small c) than the pope, very traditional, conservative, and dedicated. The heretical algae I’m referring to are the left wing liberals who want gay marriage, women’s ordination, bisexual cross-dressing rectors, etc.

I am not refusing to wish anyone well. I’m simply saying that there is more than one perspective in Anglicanism on the ordinariates and not all Anglicans are clicking their heals happy that they’re losing parishoners and bishops to the Roman Church. That’s all I’m saying here. A lot of great Anglicans are going bye-bye and they aren’t celebrating in the AC by and large.
Oh, I must have misread what you posted. I think the ACNA, which is simply in its infancy at the pesent, will eventually surpass TEC in membership. Schori is presiding over a denomination that is half a corpse. The money won’t last forever. Meanwhile, daily more flock to the Continuum, especially after they get so totally fed up with some of the comments Schori makes, such as “individual salvation” is a western heresy.

I’m not sure that Canterbury is ready to acknowledge the ACNA over TEC, and quite frankly, I’m not sure I’d want to be associated with Canterbury.
 
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