Eternal Universe

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In the case of an eternal universe, what would that say about the Borde-Guth-Vilenkin theorem?
 
Tomdstone said:
In the case of an eternal universe, what would that say about the Borde-Guth-Vilenkin theorem?
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Whats his theory and how does it relate to quantum gravity? Never mind, here’s going back to the drawing board with the problem not yet solved, plus whatever the issues of the Big Bang result conclusively on.

“Inflation attempts to resolve these problems by providing a dynamical mechanism that drives the Universe to this special state, thus making a universe like ours much more likely in the context of the Big Bang theory. Wiki”
 
Faith1960 said:
How don’t they conflict? Can you talk a little more about that?
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Not being a physicist, or philosopher, or anything special, I only know the most simple things: If God exists, then what we find out will not contradict that (obviously).So, either the new theory will be found not to contradict the creation of the universe, or the new theory will not be found to be true.

Peace.
John
 
john_ennis said:
A timeless God and a creation with a beginning cannot be put in the same box because you “need a reference point?” Your and my need for something to help us understand, does not influence reality.
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Well, what I am arguing is that there is a tension between timeless God and a creation with a beginning, so my objection is valid meaning that timeless God is not a part of reality if creation has a beginning.
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When you say “timeless,” do you simply mean eternal? Because when we say He exists outside of time, we mean something else. Time, literally, not existing.
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Eternal has no beginning and end. The concept of timeless is completely different.
john_ennis said:
I don’t understand that, but of course that doesn’t mean it’s illogical. We live with time, NO time is beyond us. “How” is the act of creation possible if God was outside of time? No one claims to understand how God could create anything, even an atom, so for me to explain to you how he created time, is hard.
Peace.
John
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What I am trying to say is that there is no point in striving to a illogical concept, simply what we do understand.
 
Bahman said:
What I am trying to say is that there is no point in striving to a illogical concept, simply what we do understand.
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👍 They all depart from fact to a theory on top of another theory. Thats how they are funded, by propaganda not fact.
 
They can’t appeal to the public for billions in donations to fund their research, then tell you they will probably blow the funding and need more. 🤷
 
“I recently received an e-mail claiming that most scientists do not believe that the Big Bang represents the beginning of the universe”

The fine print is always wise to read… Are there any theories that don’t read like that? 🙂 Just scroll down to the bottom on any to critique. Then you see how little they really know. Or you want to see another good example, google Einstein and the Universe and its clear he had “two” theories. One he didn’t really like about an eternal universe, he believed in a beginning and called it a mystery. His math is still a very large part of all these theories. Its a common fact. 🤷
 
GaryTaylor said:
“I recently received an e-mail claiming that most scientists do not believe that the Big Bang represents the beginning of the universe”

The fine print is always wise to read… Are there any theories that don’t read like that? 🙂 Just scroll down to the bottom on any to critique. Then you see how little they really know. Or you want to see another good example, google Einstein and the Universe and its clear he had “two” theories. One he didn’t really like about an eternal universe, he believed in a beginning and called it a mystery. His math is still a very large part of all these theories. Its a common fact. 🤷
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I’m sorry, I dont know what you mean
 
Faith, think of it this way, we are all sitting in a advanced math class and the professor wants us to solve an equation. The equation solved after much time is proven in the class and everyone is excited. Now, with our equation we have to go to the lab and build a model of the universe based on the equation. Then is doesn’t work.

Now think of all these theories. None even have the math figured out completely to even enter the lab.
 
GaryTaylor said:
Faith, think of it this way, we are all sitting in a advanced math class and the professor wants us to solve an equation. The equation solved after much time is proven in the class and everyone is excited. Now, with our equation we have to go to the lab and build a model of the universe based on the equation. Then is doesn’t work.

Now think of all these theories. None even have the math figured out completely to even enter the lab.
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What if the DO find out the the universe is eternal? What about our faith?
 
GaryTaylor said:
Faith, the competing list of all theories all climax with “we don’t know” in so many words. Theres no better or worse with I don’t know.
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Do the articles from God and Science address the same things the new model is addressing? I mean where they say the reasons the universe couldn’t be eternal, do those reasons apply to the new model too or is the new model bringing up all sorts of new things that make the other theories wrong?
 
Faith1960 said:
I startede talking about this on another thread but don’t want to hijack it so I’ll post it here instead.

A recent article below states that the universe may be eternal.
IF true, what would that mena for the existence of God? The Bible? Christianity? Our faith?
And why or why not?

phys.org/news/2015-02-big-quantum-equation-universe.html
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If the article stated that it, stated something that no one could ever possibly know. It is just a supposition and not a very good one.

And because the article has presented an unprovable hypothesis,.it has no impact on the existence of God or the validity of the Divine Revelation or of Christianity or of our Faith.

However, just to cover all bases, Thomas Aquinas proved the existence of God five different ways ( and some not so well known ) and all are based on the assumption that the universe existed eternally. Even so, he proved the existing of God. And once we know the existence of God, then it is reasonable that this God revealed who he was, just like the Bible says. And of course the Bible tells us God created the uiverse, in time, out of nothing. So we know definitely from Divine Revelation that God created the uiverse and that the article is wrong.

Linus2nd
 
Linusthe2nd said:
If the article stated that it, stated something that no one could ever possibly know. It is just a supposition and not a very good one.

And because the article has presented an unprovable hypothesis,.it has no impact on the existence of God or the validity of the Divine Revelation or of Christianity or of our Faith.
Linus2nd
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It can’t be proven in time?
 
Faith1960 said:
Do the articles from God and Science address the same things the new model is addressing? I mean where they say the reasons the universe couldn’t be eternal, do those reasons apply to the new model too or is the new model bringing up all sorts of new things that make the other theories wrong?
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Various unresolved issues exist on all the theories, the issues with the string theory are “combined” because of the issues with “quantum gravity”. All have this “major” issue…
Dark matter
What is the identity of dark matter?[3] Is it a particle? Is it the lightest superpartner (LSP)? Do the phenomena attributed to dark matter point not to some form of matter but actually to an extension of gravity?
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Big issue as this accounts for 70% of the universe.
not to some form of matter but actually an extension of gravity
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The general relativity combined with quantum gravity issues can be read and they are many. Read from quantum gravity down.

google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CC0QFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FList_of_unsolved_problems_in_physics&ei=RrvhVOXHIceZNrPQgZAC&usg=AFQjCNG4X_WeemFL3OXJvkuvZAknTiwX1A

If you read the theories you can cross reference the issues with all of them above. Faith the string theory isn’t new and it has many unsolved problems.

google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CC8QFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FTheory_of_everything&ei=-cLhVNu9F4WMNv3lgoAM&usg=AFQjCNEywCd5uU7F1j6R1CyHUjIfF2ymew
 
google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fscience.nasa.gov%2Fmissions%2Fjdem%2F&ei=287hVJygE8KlNsa8hIgL&usg=AFQjCNET0e-20oooRl5OaoRcWb90s9gevQ
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The National Academy of Sciences has stated that the nature of dark energy is probably the most important question in astronomy today. It has been called the deepest mystery in physics, and its resolution is likely to greatly advance our understanding of matter, space, and time.
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All the theories share this “deepest mystery” 🙂
 
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