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In all of Christendom, there are various views of communion (Eucharist, Lord’s Supper). I believe the Orthodox and Catholic churches believe in the presence of the actual flesh and blood. I’m okay with Christians having their own understanding of communion according to their Christian conscience before God. But why do Catholics seem to be the most aggressive in defending their view? I would like to discuss this in a manner that pleases God. What’s so important about the Catholic view?
 
2nd_Adam said:
In all of Christendom, there are various views of communion (Eucharist, Lord’s Supper). I believe the Orthodox and Catholic churches believe in the presence of the actual flesh and blood. I’m okay with Christians having their own understanding of communion according to their Christian conscience before God. **But why do Catholics seem to be the most aggressive in defending their view? ** I would like to discuss this in a manner that pleases God. What’s so important about the Catholic view?
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Perhaps, then, you haven’t heard Lutherans defend their belief in the real and substantial presence of the body and blood in the Eucharist. 😉

Jon
 
Define what you mean by “aggressive?” I’m not sure what you are referring to. That is not my experience.
 
1ke said:
Define what you mean by “aggressive?” I’m not sure what you are referring to. That is not my experience.
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I would interpret what he’s saying this way: Catholics often define their faith around the Eucharist. They see it not only as the center of Christian faith and worship, but also a distinction between their Church and most others. Catholics cherish it, and defend it with a vigor which, to some, seems almost aggressive.

Jon
 
Well, Adam, because the Eucharist is quite possibly the very nucleus of Catholicism it’s self. The amount of importance that Catholicism places on the Eucharist is proportionate to how passionate the users here are about defending it. Every single mass, the main “attraction” is the Eucharist.

If you’ve ever gone to a mass, you’d know what I’m talking about. Eucharist is very fundamental in Catholicism. 😉
 
JonNC said:
I would interpret what he’s saying this way: Catholics often define their faith around the Eucharist. They see it not only as the center of Christian faith and worship, but also a distinction between their Church and most others. Catholics cherish it, and defend it with a vigor which, to some, seems almost aggressive.

Jon
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So, I guess my question would be, “who *wouldn’t *defend what they believe to be the Truth revealed by God-- the source of eternal life-- with ‘vigor’?” (Not to be confused with “uncharitable” methods. I am not in favor of being uncharitable.)

It’s a *strange religion *that doesn’t feel the need to proclaim and defend the Truth. It seems that in many Protestant circles/denominations/non-denominations there is this idea that “your truth” and “my truth” are OK. I’m OK, you’re OK. Truth is maleable, it’s subjective, it’s based on experience. We can all have our own mutually exclusive versions of the Truth. That’s just **bizarre **to me.

Honestly, Geore Orwell wrote about this. Doublethink.
 
2nd_Adam said:
In all of Christendom, there are various views of communion (Eucharist, Lord’s Supper). I believe the Orthodox and Catholic churches believe in the presence of the actual flesh and blood. I’m okay with Christians having their own understanding of communion according to their Christian conscience before God. But why do Catholics seem to be the most aggressive in defending their view? I would like to discuss this in a manner that pleases God. What’s so important about the Catholic view?
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Luther called Zwingli a pawn of the devil (or something along those lines) at the Marburg Colloquy because he didn’t believe in the Real physical Presence of our Lord in the Eucharist. Luther even refused to acknowledge that Zwingli was a Christian. I’d say that is pretty aggressive.

God bless you
 
=1ke;5690579]So, I guess my question would be, “who *wouldn’t *defend what they believe to be the Truth revealed by God-- the source of eternal life-- with ‘vigor’?” (Not to be confused with “uncharitable” methods. I am not in favor of being uncharitable.)
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Exactly, on both counts. Defend with all vigor your faith, and show His love while you do.
It’s a *strange religion *that doesn’t feel the need to proclaim and defend the Truth. It seems that in many Protestant circles/denominations/non-denominations there is this idea that “your truth” and “my truth” are OK. I’m OK, you’re OK. Truth is maleable, it’s subjective, it’s based on experience. We can all have our own mutually exclusive versions of the Truth. That’s just **bizarre **to me.
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Me, too. Which is why I often comment when I see the “Protestants always…” comments I see on CAF. It is also why I believe the Reformation must end in reconciliation, not in comfortable schism.
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Luther called Zwingli a pawn of the devil (or something along those lines) at the Marburg Colloquy because he didn’t believe in the Real physical Presence of our Lord in the Eucharist. Luther even refused to acknowledge that Zwingli was a Christian. I’d say that is pretty aggressive.
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Who? Luther? Aggressive? Surely you jest. :whistle: 😃
On the one hand, I wouldn’t go that far about those who deny the Lord’s real presence.
On the other, nothing irritates me more, as a Lutheran, than the excuses I hear against weekly communion within Lutheran circles. :mad:

Jon
 
Because it is in the Eucharist where we receive the very Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of our dear Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

Also, Lutherans believe in the real presence, and also Anglicans.

Holy Mary, Mother of the Eucharist, pray for us.

Happy Feast Day!
 
2nd_Adam said:
In all of Christendom, there are various views of communion (Eucharist, Lord’s Supper). I believe the Orthodox and Catholic churches believe in the presence of the actual flesh and blood. I’m okay with Christians having their own understanding of communion according to their Christian conscience before God. But why do Catholics seem to be the most aggressive in defending their view? I would like to discuss this in a manner that pleases God. What’s so important about the Catholic view?
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Gabriel of 12;

God bless you 2nd Adam:)
 
The Eucharist was instituted at the last supper by Jesus.

Jesus revealed himself in the first Mass after the resurrection where Jesus reveals himself in the Word of God and then in his body, blood soul and divinity to his disciples who recognized his presence not in the Word only when Jesus opened the scriptures to them, but in the breaking of bread, is when Jesus presence is recognized. See Luke 24:27–35

The Mass consist of the Readings from the Old Testament that point to Jesus, the Psalms that praise and look to Jesus, readings from the Prophets who prophecy of his coming, the Epistles of the New Testament who eyewitnessed Jesus, and finally the Gospel we stand in God’s presence as Jesus teaches his church from his gospel as his did since the first century. Followed by a pause in heaven (see Revelations 8:1) then the True presence of God begins to appear to his people in his body, blood soul and divinity.

The Eucharist is the summit of the Christian faith since the resurrection. Many documented Martyrs and Saints went to their deaths for the faith in God’s true presence in the Eucharist. These refused to deny Jesus Christ or refrain from the Mass under torture and death. So yes, not even death can separate us from the Love of God. These set the example of Christendom and what Christendom was built on (an undieing faith in the Eucharist).

To understand the fulfillment the Old Testament passover which includes a God given law that must be perpetuated, is to understand how Jesus fulfilled these perpetual divine laws in his eternal sacrifice in the Eucharist.

ST. Paul goes so far as to attach a curse if the body, blood of Jesus Christ is not discerned properly. 1Cor.11:23 For I received from the Lord what I also handed on to you, that the Lord Jesus, on the night he was handed over, took bread,
24
and, after he had given thanks, broke it and said, “This is my body that is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.”
25
In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.”
26
For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the death of the Lord until he comes.
27
**Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord. 12 **
28
A person should examine himself, 13 and so eat the bread and drink the cup.
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**For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment 14 on himself. **

From St. Paul maybe you can understand why Catholics take the breaking of the bread serious enough as a matter of death and eternal life.

Here is Jesus;

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For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in him may have eternal life, and I shall raise him (on) the last day."
44
No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draw him, and I will raise him on the last day.
45
It is written in the prophets: ‘They shall all be taught by God.’ Everyone who listens to my Father and learns from him comes to me.
47
Amen, amen, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.
48
I am the bread of life.
50
this is the bread that comes down from heaven so that one may eat it and not die.
51
I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world."
53
**U]**Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.
54
Whoever eats 19 my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.
55
**For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. **
56
**Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him. **
57
Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.
58
This is the bread that came down from heaven.
 
CAF Jesus in the Eucharist
=2nd Adam-In all of Christendom, there are various views of communion (Eucharist, Lord’s Supper). I believe the Orthodox and Catholic churches believe in the presence of the actual flesh and blood. I’m okay with Christians having their own understanding of communion according to their Christian conscience before God. But why do Catholics seem to be the most aggressive in defending their view? I would like to discuss this in a manner that pleases God. What’s so important about the Catholic view?
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***Adam thank you for asking,

I’m going to try a different approach in my reply knowing that other Catholics will provide the necessary biblical evidence in support of the Catholic position, which is not only Biblical, but among the very clearest teachings in the entire word of God.

I’ll began with this question and statement. God’s Created Universe [to "create’ “means to make out of nothing” which is to say where there was nothing, now there is something.

Scientist tells us that in our galaxy there are in excess of ONE BILLION planets and that in the Universe there are in excess of One Billion separate galaxies. The average human person consist of an estimated “10,000 Trillion” soft cells.

I point this out as I proclaim that no one can deny that God has the power to do such a thing. The real question is not: “can God do this”; rather, it ought to be; “why would God choose to do this?”**

Point 1: Jesus is God.

Point 2. When Jesus died on the cross for our “redemption” He was filled with regret and remorse for what He had failed to do. What is that we ask? “To Save us” is the reply. Not wishing to divert from the current discussion, this issue need be a separate instruction. But look at Jn. 3:5, Mt. 19:16, and Phil. 2:12-13 as the tip of the evidence.

Point 3: God loved us enough to allow His Son to become Incarnate. And The Trinity loves us so much as to allow Christ to die on our behalf. So is it inconceivable that God who would for a time “become a bit lower than the angels” would love us sufficiently to abase Himself further, in order to not simply Redeem us, but to be with us always [Mt. 28:19-20] and to take an active role in the process of our personal salvation?

Heb. 2: 5 "For it was not to angels that God subjected the world to come, of which we are speaking. It has been testified somewhere, “What is man that thou art mindful of him, or the son of man, that thou carest for him? Thou didst make him for a little while lower than the angels, thou hast crowned him with glory and honor, putting everything in subjection under his feet.” Now in putting everything in subjection to him, he left nothing outside his control. As it is, we do not yet see everything in subjection to him. But we see Jesus, who for a little while was made lower than the angels, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for every one.

Salvation is a process, not a done deal. We can know this with complete certainty, by recognizing precisely why it is that man is “made in the image of God.” [Gen. 1:26-28]

Now our “God-like” attributes of mind, intellect and freewill are imperfect, while God are Perfected, we are nevertheless sufficiently endowed with these gifts to permit us to Know God, and then to Love God, and then to desire to serve God. And that Adam, is the precise reason for these gifts, and of note; nothing else in Gods wondrous Universe is so loved and blessed. Read Isa. 43: 7, 21 and Rom. 14:11].

Because God desires that everyone be saved, He freely subjects Himself to humiliation. Rejection, abuses that even His painful death of the cross can’t compare too. God does this out of love, and He does this ONLY within the confines of His Catholic Church. Because in the beginning, One Church [another topic to be developed] is all that Christ desired.

So it is out of Love Divine, that Christ willingly and lovingly makes Himself avail to assist us, here in our time of opportunity and need.

In closing I would point out that The Eucharist is affirmed and confirmed by Mt. 26: 26-28, Mk. 14: 22-24, Lk. 22: 19-21, Paul in 1 Cor. 11: 23-28, and John 6: 40-65. It was believed and understood and practiced by the Apostles and deciples and by around the year 150, the current format of the Catholic Mass was already being practiced.

Love and prayers.

Pat**
 
Thanks for all of the postings. I will have to read them later since family obligations are calling. I don’t believe in relative subject truth. However, some things in Scripture are more clear than other things. I believe in unity in the essentials within the command to contend for the faith (Jude 3). From my perspective, a person’s view on communion is not one of the essentials, as long we all partake within the warning of Apostle Paul (1 Cor 11).
 
Gabriel_of_12 said:
The Eucharist was instituted at the last supper by Jesus.

Jesus revealed himself in the first Mass after the resurrection where Jesus reveals himself in the Word of God and then in his body, blood soul and divinity to his disciples who recognized his presence not in the Word only when Jesus opened the scriptures to them, but in the breaking of bread, is when Jesus presence is recognized. See Luke 24:27–35

The Mass consist of the Readings from the Old Testament that point to Jesus, the Psalms that praise and look to Jesus, readings from the Prophets who prophecy of his coming, the Epistles of the New Testament who eyewitnessed Jesus, and finally the Gospel we stand in God’s presence as Jesus teaches his church from his gospel as his did since the first century. Followed by a pause in heaven (see Revelations 8:1) then the True presence of God begins to appear to his people in his body, blood soul and divinity.

The Eucharist is the summit of the Christian faith since the resurrection. Many documented Martyrs and Saints went to their deaths for the faith in God’s true presence in the Eucharist. These refused to deny Jesus Christ or refrain from the Mass under torture and death. So yes, not even death can separate us from the Love of God. These set the example of Christendom and what Christendom was built on (an undieing faith in the Eucharist).

To understand the fulfillment the Old Testament passover which includes a God given law that must be perpetuated, is to understand how Jesus fulfilled these perpetual divine laws in his eternal sacrifice in the Eucharist.

ST. Paul goes so far as to attach a curse if the body, blood of Jesus Christ is not discerned properly. 1Cor.11:23 For I received from the Lord what I also handed on to you, that the Lord Jesus, on the night he was handed over, took bread,
24
and, after he had given thanks, broke it and said, “This is my body that is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.”
25
In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.”
26
For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the death of the Lord until he comes.
27
**Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord. 12 **
28
A person should examine himself, 13 and so eat the bread and drink the cup.
29
**For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment 14 on himself. **

From St. Paul maybe you can understand why Catholics take the breaking of the bread serious enough as a matter of death and eternal life.

Here is Jesus;

40
For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in him may have eternal life, and I shall raise him (on) the last day."
44
No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draw him, and I will raise him on the last day.
45
It is written in the prophets: ‘They shall all be taught by God.’ Everyone who listens to my Father and learns from him comes to me.
47
Amen, amen, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.
48
I am the bread of life.
50
this is the bread that comes down from heaven so that one may eat it and not die.
51
I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world."
53
**U]**Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.
54
Whoever eats 19 my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.
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55
**For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. **
56
**Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him. **
57
Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.
58
This is the bread that came down from heaven.
Thank you Gabriel,and I love that you have quoted my favorite Scripture( ‘On the road to Emmaus’)

(Quote)Jesus revealed himself in the first Mass after the resurrection where Jesus reveals himself in the Word of God and then in his body, blood soul and divinity to his disciples who recognized his presence not in the Word only when Jesus opened the scriptures to them, but in the breaking of bread, is when Jesus presence is recognized. See Luke 24:27–35(end quote)

In our daily walk on the road of life Jesus is with us to teach us. Do we recognize Him? It was only when the the disciples invited him in did they recognize him in the breaking of the bread, we must invite him into our lives daily and rec’ve Him as often as possible in the Holy Eucharist. God bless us all in His love.:gopray2:
Carlan.
 
2nd_Adam said:
From my perspective, a person’s view on communion is not one of the essentials
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Of course it is one of the essentials. It is THE essential.

The fact that you do not even consider it “one” of the essentials, let alone THE essential, is directly related to your inability to understand the Catholic position. It also underscores why you don’t undersatnd that Catholics stridently defend this as the most important teaching in Christianity.

You still have not defined what you mean by “aggressive.”
 
JonNC said:
Who? Luther? Aggressive? Surely you jest. :whistle: 😃
On the one hand, I wouldn’t go that far about those who deny the Lord’s real presence.
On the other, nothing irritates me more, as a Lutheran, than the excuses I hear against weekly communion within Lutheran circles. :mad:

Jon
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And I certainly did not mean to make it sound like that was the Lutheran position. It did seem to be Luther’s position though 😉

The Marburg Colloquy is interesting for those who say that communion is a non-essential. I have never called someone a pawn of the devil for driving a blue car or denied that someone was a Christian because they prefer McDonald’s to Wendy’s (real non-essentials). However, with Luther calling Zwingli such and Zwingli and Luther both willing to allow it to prevent unity leads me to believe it wasn’t so non-essential.

God bless you
 
Carlan said:
Thank you Gabriel,and I love that you have quoted my favorite Scripture( ‘On the road to Emmaus’)

(Quote)Jesus revealed himself in the first Mass after the resurrection where Jesus reveals himself in the Word of God and then in his body, blood soul and divinity to his disciples who recognized his presence not in the Word only when Jesus opened the scriptures to them, but in the breaking of bread, is when Jesus presence is recognized. See Luke 24:27–35(end quote)

In our daily walk on the road of life Jesus is with us to teach us. Do we recognize Him? It was only when the the disciples invited him in did they recognize him in the breaking of the bread, we must invite him into our lives daily and rec’ve Him as often as possible in the Holy Eucharist. God bless us all in His love.:gopray2:
Carlan.
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Gabriel of 12;
Your welcome Carlan:) The road to Emmaus is one of my favorite New Testament scriptures also because it reveals the contents of the Mass today in the Liturgy of the Word and the Liturgy of the Eucharist (True Presence).

At every Eucharist Jesus is at each heart knocking so as to dine with him those who are victorious who have ears to hear what the Spirit says to the Church, then will recieve the Hidden Manna.

Revelations 3;20
" **’"Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, (then) I will enter his house and dine with him, and he with me.

21 **I will give the victor the right to sit with me on my throne, as I myself first won the victory and sit with my Father on his throne.
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" ‘“Whoever has ears ought to hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”’"

Revelations 2;16
Therefore, repent. Otherwise, I will come to you quickly and wage war against them with the sword of my mouth.
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" '"Whoever has ears ought to hear what the Spirit says to the churches.** To the victor I shall give some of the hidden manna; **

Paul would have never placed a curse on the bread and wine, if Paul did not believe the bread is truly the body of Jesus and the cup was Jesus blood. Had these species been other than the true presence of Jesus body and blood, Paul would have never attached a curse and a discernment for the bread (body of Jesus) and the cup (blood of Jesus Christ).

What I find interesting is that God has always revealed his True presence to his chosen people. Sometimes in the theophanies, cloud, smoke, rock, whisper, now in the precious body, blood of the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the World.

What is remarkable is that God chose the place where to place his name in rememberance Just as Jesus does in the last supper for example;

God chose to make himself present to his people in the Old Covenant and to do in rememberance of his name;

Exodus 20:24
3 "An altar of earth you shall make for me, and upon it you shall sacrifice your holocausts and peace offerings, your sheep and your oxen.** In whatever place I choose for the remembrance of my name I will come to you and bless you. **

Here is God again not changing but chosing to be presence to his people in the New and everlasting Covenant and to do in rememberance of his name; God is the same yesterday, today and forever more;

Luke 22:19
7 Then he took the bread, said the blessing, broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body, which will be given for you;** do this in memory of me.” **
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And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which will be shed for you.

Peace be with you
 
Gabriel_of_12 said:
The Eucharist was instituted at the last supper by Jesus.

Jesus revealed himself in the first Mass after the resurrection where Jesus reveals himself in the Word of God and then in his body, blood soul and divinity to his disciples who recognized his presence not in the Word only when Jesus opened the scriptures to them, but in the breaking of bread, is when Jesus presence is recognized. See Luke 24:27–35

The Mass consist of the Readings from the Old Testament that point to Jesus, the Psalms that praise and look to Jesus, readings from the Prophets who prophecy of his coming, the Epistles of the New Testament who eyewitnessed Jesus, and finally the Gospel we stand in God’s presence as Jesus teaches his church from his gospel as his did since the first century. Followed by a pause in heaven (see Revelations 8:1) then the True presence of God begins to appear to his people in his body, blood soul and divinity.

The Eucharist is the summit of the Christian faith since the resurrection. Many documented Martyrs and Saints went to their deaths for the faith in God’s true presence in the Eucharist. These refused to deny Jesus Christ or refrain from the Mass under torture and death. So yes, not even death can separate us from the Love of God. These set the example of Christendom and what Christendom was built on (an undieing faith in the Eucharist).

To understand the fulfillment the Old Testament passover which includes a God given law that must be perpetuated, is to understand how Jesus fulfilled these perpetual divine laws in his eternal sacrifice in the Eucharist.

ST. Paul goes so far as to attach a curse if the body, blood of Jesus Christ is not discerned properly. 1Cor.11:23 For I received from the Lord what I also handed on to you, that the Lord Jesus, on the night he was handed over, took bread,
24
and, after he had given thanks, broke it and said, “This is my body that is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.”
25
In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.”
26
For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the death of the Lord until he comes.
27
**Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord. 12 **
28
A person should examine himself, 13 and so eat the bread and drink the cup.
29
**For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment 14 on himself. **

From St. Paul maybe you can understand why Catholics take the breaking of the bread serious enough as a matter of death and eternal life.

Here is Jesus; (CORRECTION ADDED HERE) JOHN’S GOSPEL CHAPTER 6: 40 AND FOLLOWING
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For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in him may have eternal life, and I shall raise him (on) the last day."
44
No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draw him, and I will raise him on the last day.
45
It is written in the prophets: ‘They shall all be taught by God.’ Everyone who listens to my Father and learns from him comes to me.
47
Amen, amen, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.
48
I am the bread of life.
50
this is the bread that comes down from heaven so that one may eat it and not die.
51
I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world."
53
**U]**Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.
54
Whoever eats 19 my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.
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55
**For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. **
56
**Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him. **
57
Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.
58
This is the bread that came down from heaven.
 
=2nd Adam;5691310]Thanks for all of the postings. I will have to read them later since family obligations are calling. I don’t believe in relative subject truth. However, some things in Scripture are more clear than other things. I believe in unity in the essentials within the command to contend for the faith (Jude 3). From my perspective, a person’s view on communion is not one of the essentials, as long we all partake within the warning of Apostle Paul (1 Cor 11).
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Adam what part of “This is My Body; this My Bood” is vague and unclear. Read it in Mt., Mk, Lk., Jn. and Paul.

John 6: 52 "52 "The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. 56 He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him

So what is vague about this?
And when our Lords deciple left Him, He did not change His position; in fact Jesus turned to the Apostles and asked: 67 Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also wish to go away?” Does that sound like Jesus does not mean what He said?
**And what about Paul in 1 Cor.11: 23 23 "For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, “This is my body which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.” For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes. 27. Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself **

How could this be except for the FACT that it is Jesus? One is going tp profane himself by eating only a symbol. You have to be darn right pig headed not to accept God at His own words and what was the obvious undersranding of those words. Just read what God says in His Divinely inspired book.

Love and prayers,

Pat
 
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