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Tomdstone
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There is also the Basque country where people who wanted independence. And of course, there is Eastern Ukraine with many people speaking Russian and believing that Kiev does not represent their interests.
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Tomdstone
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Sotland has ten times the population of the independent country of Luxembourg.
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Tony_Micelli
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The Holy Father has not taken a position on Scottish independence, but only said every call for independence is different and must be evaluated carefully. Some are legitimate, some probably are not (Padania, Catalonia). Plus, the bishops of Scotland are encouraging all Catholics to vote according to their informed conscience.
Incidentally Obama and Hillary oppose Scottish independence, and so does the oil giant BP fearing higher taxes.
Incidentally Obama and Hillary oppose Scottish independence, and so does the oil giant BP fearing higher taxes.
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Tomdstone
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It seems like Big Oil has been influential in some of the big political decisions being made recently.
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Kaninchen
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Why would an independent Padania probably not be legitimate?
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Kaninchen
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Goodness, perhaps you might explain this oppression of the Scots business?
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freeRadical
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Maybe you should pick up a history book.
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Trader
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I have ancestors from Luxembourg. Maybe I could be their ambassador to Indiana.
They must be short of help.
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Kaninchen
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Impressive.
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Vouthon
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Agreed. A referendum is the correct and fair way to democratically decide the future of a country and of a people. There is a genuine choice over here in Scotland and two campaigns that have had equal showcasing of their respective positions. I also hope that we vote to stay in the Union.
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Darryl1958
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Thatcher stopped subsidizing them?
Well at least that might pass as oppression of Scot’s businesses, in some circles.
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FollowChrist34
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It seems like Scotland could well remain really divided, regardless of the outcome. Half of the country doesn’t want to go forward with the UK. The other half does want to. Either way, lots of people will still be unhappy with the direction Scotland takes. I can see the Yes side, if they lose, still fighting the UK every step of the way. (And, in some ways, really tying one arm of England behind its back.) And vice versa, if the No side wins, they and the rest of the UK will have the angry Yes people around, likely even unhappier and angrier than they are right now.
The US is really polarized – red/blue state. It’s a bitter, deep social, cultural and political divide that in a lot of ways really paralyzes us (at home and abroad). Scotland could be hardening that way too – Edinburgh vs. Glasgow to simplify it a bit. Sad.
The US is really polarized – red/blue state. It’s a bitter, deep social, cultural and political divide that in a lot of ways really paralyzes us (at home and abroad). Scotland could be hardening that way too – Edinburgh vs. Glasgow to simplify it a bit. Sad.
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tomarin
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And I wonder how many Basques there are in the Pyrennes? (No doubt they will be keenly watching the outcome of the Scottish independence vote.)
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weller2
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One of the main points of contention is that Westminster used Scottish oil to fund its budget deficit, instead of setting up a sovereign wealth fund a’la Norway. In other words, Scotland has financed Thatcher’s economic “miracle”.
Also, the poll tax – arguably, the thing which started the modern independence movement.
And from ancient history, Highland Clearances.
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Kaninchen
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Well, I spent a number of years oppressing two teenaged young women but I expect most parents of teenagers know all about the awful oppression suffered by people who don’t get their own way all the time.
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GEddie
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Three hundred years in an equal union, including seven or more wars fought under the same flag.
Doesn’t sound like oppression to me, whatever differences may exist now in governmental theory.
ICXC NIKA.
Doesn’t sound like oppression to me, whatever differences may exist now in governmental theory.
ICXC NIKA.
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Vouthon
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If am a poor, innocent little Scot being oppressed and dictated too by my wicked English overlords in Westminster…then this must be the most pleasant and mild colonial regime in history.
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freeRadical
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Yes, let’s just forget about what the Brits did to the Scots and Irish before all that, right?
Regardless, do you think Scotland is fairly represented in Parliament?
Ireland succeeded from Britain and I didn’t hear anyone cry about that. Why is Scotland any different?
Would you have been against American succession of Britain if you were alive then?
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DeFuret
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And what exactly do you think Canadian identity is, or was before the 1960s? British and French.
This post is bizarre to the point that its “not even wrong”.In any case, a few months of rhetoric, a few weeks of momentum and a 51% vs 49% vote is a strange way to decide the fate of 1000+ year old country (Scotland), in which most of the cultural oppression has been effected by Scots (Lowlanders) on their Highland neighbours far more than by the English.
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Kaninchen
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Might I suggest that the word you were really looking for was ‘English’ rather than ‘Brits’ because, while I’m sure that you have an unparalleled grasp of the history of the islands, far beyond those of us who live here, you are committing a terminological inexactitude.
Actually, they’re overrepresented in terms of voters per constituency.
I see, nobody made a fuss over Irish Independence (the term would be secede, not succeed, by the way), now what was it you were saying about getting a history book?
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