Europe to force abortion on Ireland

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I really want to carry a hand gun, but am not able to in England 😦 In Ireland it is legal to have one, but I’m too ill to travel at the moment. This is a breach of my human rights, so does anyone know how I can contact the EU?
 
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The European Court of Human Rights has announced a controversial ruling that will force abortion on Ireland. The court has binding powers over the Irish Government, which will now have to legislate to allow abortion under certain circumstances.
To read more visit: sconews.co.uk/news/europe-to-force-abortion-on-ireland/
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Here we go again.

Abortion, under certain circumstances, is already legal in the Republic of Ireland, following the Supreme Court decision in the X case. However, successive governments since then have failed in their duty to the Constitution to legislate to that effect - hoping, no doubt, that the whole thing would just go away if they ignored it long enough. Also, no hospital or medical practitioner has provided an abortion under those circumstances. Instead, women have travelled to the UK or elsewhere. Now the Irish Constitutional chickens have come home to roost and the European Court of Human Rights cannot be faulted for taking the Irish State to task for not legislating in accordance with its own Constitution.

It should be noted that the Court held that there had been no violation of Article 8 (right to private and family life) in respect of the first and the second applicants (who claimed their rights were violated because they had to leave the Irish jurisdiction to procure an abortion), and unanimously, that there had been a violation of Article 8 in respect of the third applicant. The third applicant was undergoing chemo-therapy and was not in a position to leave the country for an abortion, therefore qualifying under the ‘certain circumstances’ clause, i.e. a threat to her life.

I understand that the thread’s title “Europe to force abortion on Ireland” is taken from the linked news item, but it is misleading in many ways. ‘Europe’ is not ‘forcing’ abortion on Ireland - Ireland already has a limited ‘right’ to an abortion. And this ruling doesn’t do anything other than take the Irish state to task for its failure to legislate in accordance with its Constitution.
 
mgunn88 said:
I really want to carry a hand gun, but am not able to in England 😦 In Ireland it is legal to have one, but I’m too ill to travel at the moment. This is a breach of my human rights, so does anyone know how I can contact the EU?
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You can’t carry a hand gun in Ireland, either.
 
mgunn88 said:
I really want to carry a hand gun, but am not able to in England 😦 In Ireland it is legal to have one, but I’m too ill to travel at the moment. This is a breach of my human rights, so does anyone know how I can contact the EU?
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Nothing to do with the EU - the ECHR is an entirely different organization.
 
mgunn88 said:
Sorry I read that you can 😛
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Well, you can if you’re a member of the armed branch of the Gardaí, or the security forces, and you can ** own** one as a private citizen under licence and very strict conditions, but you cannot ‘carry’ it around with you - not legally, anyway. There is no ‘right to bear arms’ in the Irish Constitution, so your constitutional rights are not infringed by the legislation regarding arms and armaments in Ireland.
 
Yellow_Belle said:
I understand that the thread’s title “Europe to force abortion on Ireland” is taken from the linked news item, but it is misleading in many ways. ‘Europe’ is not ‘forcing’ abortion on Ireland - Ireland already has a limited ‘right’ to an abortion. And this ruling doesn’t do anything other than take the Irish state to task for its failure to legislate in accordance with its Constitution.
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Indeed, the ECHR decided in Vo v France that abortion itself was a matter for the several states.
 
What will you do wth a hand gun. Abort yourself? Abort another? Thou shall not do evil that good may result.

peace
 
mgunn88 said:
I assumed that was part of the European Union lol
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🙂

It’s a frequent assumption, possibly because of confusion with the EU Court of Justice in Luxembourg.

However, the European Court of Human Rights was established several years before the Common Market/EEC/EU by the European Convention on Human Rights (1950) to provide legal recourse of last resort for individuals who feel that their human rights have been violated by a contracting party to the Convention. Some 47 European states (The Council of Europe) are signed up to the Convention. The EU consists of 27 states. While the EU states are individually signed up to the Convention, the EU itself is not.
 
Getting back on topic…

The sad fact of the matter is that over here in England we get a lot of women coming over here from Ireland to have an abortion. Irish women are still going to find a way to have an abortion whether they legalise it or not.

The way to combat this is not to make it legal/illegal, but for us to campaign for the hearts and minds of these men and women who chose abortion - acting how many prolife people do now provides a militant front which is often scary and intimidating.
 
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lizardley:
The European Court of Human Rights has announced a controversial ruling that will force abortion on Ireland. The court has binding powers over the Irish Government, which will now have to legislate to allow abortion under certain circumstances.
To read more visit: sconews.co.uk/news/europe-to-force-abortion-on-ireland/
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Nothing to do with the EU - the ECHR is an entirely different organization.
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Whew, good thing it’s not the pan-european co-prosperity collective and just some pan-european court.
 
LemonAndLime said:
Getting back on topic…

The sad fact of the matter is that over here in England we get a lot of women coming over here from Ireland to have an abortion. Irish women are still going to find a way to have an abortion whether they legalise it or not.

The way to combat this is not to make it legal/illegal, but for us to campaign for the hearts and minds of these men and women who chose abortion - acting how many prolife people do now provides a militant front which is often scary and intimidating.
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Actually, the number of Irish women travelling to the UK has been in decline for a number of years now, though the reason why is not clear…

cinews.ie/article.php?artid=3648

One suspects that, with the country currently in deep recession, those numbers may begin to rise again.
 
Yellow Belle:
In fact, neither the EU nor the ECHR is pan-Euopean…
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My bad. Not pan-European. Just encompassing almost all European countries:D.
 
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