European Catholicism

[thistle]

I see the nuclear club as a bigger threat. They have the nuclear weapons (not to mention the chemical and biological weapons) which can horribly burn, incinerate and destroy every living creature in the world one hundred times over again. The USA has used nuclear weapons which produced horrible civilian casualties in the past. Is there any guarantee that the USA would not use these horrible nuclear, chemical or biological weapons again?

The USA used nuclear weapons 60 years ago and not since. Muslim terrorists are killing innocent people every day of the year.

 

[Sailka]

What you said above is rubbish. Are you actually a closet muslim?

Islam is the major threat to the world. It is a false and violent religion founded by a killer.
Today the majority of terrorists are muslims and they cause most deaths from terrorist activities. Extend a hand to them and they won’t shake it. They will cut it off.

What else do you judge Extreme Evil, 100%, besides the World’s now largestreligion? Every single Muslim would cut your hand off, if you greeted him? Never ever heard One doing that in my life.
The Catholic Church teaches that hatred, lying, defaming another Faith are sins. You happen to be Violating TOS also, several ways.
But you know better about everything?
Vivat Jesus, not own ideas. Tony
PS: Muslims and Arabs are known for Greatest respect, greetings to all normal visitors.

 

[Sailka]

The USA used nuclear weapons 60 years ago and not since. Muslim terrorists are killing innocent people every day of the year.

Terrorism and killing innocents is Violation of Islam basics. It is Groups, those seeking political power to repel/evict those who they see as Invaders/Threats to Islam, their good culture that turn to terrorism, using Islam falselly.

 

[Sailka]

I see the nuclear club as a bigger threat. They have the nuclear weapons (not to mention the chemical and biological weapons) which can horribly burn, incinerate and destroy every living creature in the world one hundred times over again. The USA has used nuclear weapons which produced horrible civilian casualties in the past. Is there any guarantee that the USA would not use these horrible nuclear, chemical or biological weapons again?

The USA would not. But the current administration, avoid War service in viet war every way, Has threatened using Nuclears, threatened conquest of several countries, faselly.

The rest of the world knows it is Business and Morality that rule, not Military power. What is Correct, wjhat is not, as Fr Pacwa S.J. observed.
The UN was the overseer of non-prolofeation. But this Adminstration wishes to Rule the world, by threats, force. Been tried repeatedly. Germany and Japan discovered after WW II that Military Power and False selfish ideas don’t work: cost 60 million lives, and more.
The only things that work are honesty, Business, Using brains and intellects to promote economies, based on honest business systems

Extreme philosophies and actions result in extreme responses. Islam/Arabs have been attacked, walled off, theier Faith and culture attacked by a now glabalization secularized anti-religion big money new world ruler. Traditions, big families, upward economic mobility of Europe have been replaced by the ME ‘culture’ of selfishness. So zero reproductive rates, and import masses of cheap labor, High reproduction rates. Is why Islam may likelly be majority in some countries.
Vivat Jesus. Tony

 

[thistle]

What else do you judge Extreme Evil, 100%, besides the World’s now largestreligion? Every single Muslim would cut your hand off, if you greeted him? Never ever heard One doing that in my life.
The Catholic Church teaches that hatred, lying, defaming another Faith are sins. You happen to be Violating TOS also, several ways.
But you know better about everything?
Vivat Jesus, not own ideas. Tony
PS: Muslims and Arabs are known for Greatest respect, greetings to all normal visitors.

I don’t hate or lie. I was stating a fact. Islam is a false and violent religion. You can’t defame something which hates Christians. The aim of Islam is that everyone in the world must submit either through conversion or coercion. God gave everyone free will but Islam seeks to take that away.
Mohammed was one of the anti-Christs.

 

[Sailka]

I don’t hate or lie. I was stating a fact. Islam is a false and violent religion. You can’t defame something which hates Christians. The aim of Islam is that everyone in the world must submit either through conversion or coercion. God gave everyone free will but Islam seeks to take that away.
Mohammed was one of the anti-Christs.

                                                                                           Sorry, Thistle, you've been massivelly propagandized with falsehoods, opposite of reality:

(1) Every sentence of yours is Opposite of reality. (2) And there is no Santa Clause. (3) Only St Nicholas, who was cool Real Bishop, who gave gifts to the poorest.

True Islam respects every religion, person, unless they get stomped on. (4) Islam is not the Problem. Leaders on both sides are.
Vivat Jesus, not false propaganda.
Tony.

 

[7_Sorrows]

                                                                                           Sorry, Thistle, you've been massivelly propagandized with falsehoods, opposite of reality:

(1) Every sentence of yours is Opposite of reality. (2) And there is no Santa Clause. (3) Only St Nicholas, who was cool Real Bishop, who gave gifts to the poorest.

True Islam respects every religion, person, unless they get stomped on. (4) Islam is not the Problem. Leaders on both sides are.
Vivat Jesus, not false propaganda.
Tony.

in what part of the world do they practice this true islam? where might i see an example of this true islam that is so respectful of every religion, person, etc? be honest tony.

 

[Sailka]

in what part of the world do they practice this true islam? where might i see an example of this true islam that is so respectful of every religion, person, etc? be honest tony.

Have been 100% honest all my life. I used to think Islam evil and hates Christians too, until the First attack on the Twin Towers early 1990’s. One of the Networks began a brief series on Islam, and I found out it is Opposite of false propaganda. It requires lying down to pray three times a day. How many of us even pray once a day, much less Kneel to do so.
Have met several Muslims here, all of them Very sincere, respecting us, and Our Faith. Other Catholic friends found the same thing. No one has any complaints about any Muslims they know. They live more ideal, more religious than we do. And are 82 islamic sects. Is not One big faith. All follow same basic Islamic teachings, which are similar to ours. They teach that Any terrorism against innicent civilians means instant Hell when they die. And the Koran teaches that to kill one innocent is like killing everyone on earth. And Very Old Afghan Muslim refugee in 1990’s laundromat told me of ancient Muslim teaching of person with meal not to begin his until poor person without food he gave meal to has finished his. That is my knowledge, experience. Have seen nothing to contradict it, except in ‘war’, in which nobody acts right. Vivat Jesus. Tony

 

[7_Sorrows]

i agree tony. in war, nobody acts right.

i am sure there are many nice people who are muslims and nice families. it is too bad that other people give islam a bad name.

the good muslims should do more to show the rest of the world what a good religion it is.

there is a show on tv called inside islam and it is very interesting and tries to show the good side of islam. unfortunately, it will take a lot to prove to the rest of the world that it is a civilized religion that does not teach hate against the jews and the christians.

i thought muslims pray 5 times a day.

 

[JeanneFrancoise]

Have been 100% honest all my life. I used to think Islam evil and hates Christians too, until the First attack on the Twin Towers early 1990’s. One of the Networks began a brief series on Islam, and I found out it is Opposite of false propaganda. It requires lying down to pray three times a day. How many of us even pray once a day, much less Kneel to do so.
Have met several Muslims here, all of them Very sincere, respecting us, and Our Faith. Other Catholic friends found the same thing. No one has any complaints about any Muslims they know. They live more ideal, more religious than we do. And are 82 islamic sects. Is not One big faith. All follow same basic Islamic teachings, which are similar to ours. They teach that Any terrorism against innicent civilians means instant Hell when they die. And the Koran teaches that to kill one innocent is like killing everyone on earth. And Very Old Afghan Muslim refugee in 1990’s laundromat told me of ancient Muslim teaching of person with meal not to begin his until poor person without food he gave meal to has finished his. That is my knowledge, experience. Have seen nothing to contradict it, except in ‘war’, in which nobody acts right. Vivat Jesus. Tony

Hi!

I have also known wonderful people who are Muslim - gentle and kind.

However those are regular people who live in my country.

Have you every lived in a Muslim country?
Have you ever heard Muslims defend Christians who are persecuted?
Have you ever seen Muslims demonstrate against terrorism?
Have you ever read books by Muslims who speak out against fundamentalism?

I think if you sum things up you will find that Muslims on the whole are not friends of Christians. They might tolerate us but they do not defend us - they are not our friends. They want us all to be muslims like them at all cost!

I need to ask you something? What makes you so absolutely defensive of Muslims? Please answer this.

Thank you

 

[Aramis]

                                                                                           Sorry, Thistle, you've been massivelly propagandized with falsehoods, opposite of reality:

(1) Every sentence of yours is Opposite of reality. (2) And there is no Santa Clause. (3) Only St Nicholas, who was cool Real Bishop, who gave gifts to the poorest.

True Islam respects every religion, person, unless they get stomped on. (4) Islam is not the Problem. Leaders on both sides are.
Vivat Jesus, not false propaganda.
Tony.

Tony:
It isn’t the mullahs who have been threatening to kill me for wearing a cross at work, or working with their children in school. It’s devout radical muslims in the United States.

Islam in practice is not the same everywhere, and the Qu’ran lends itself quite well to justification of anti-christian violence in the name of Islam. (While I don’t read arabic, I’ve read 4 different translations of the Qu’ran.) I’ve encountered few “peaceful” visible muslims, but I’ve encountered more than a dozen violent muslims identifiable in the nature of their hate speech.

EG: “Were it not for your stupid laws, I’d kill you where you stand, infidel.” Whispered to me by a muslim parent who looked inside my shirt to see my cross underneath. I was reading a book to his daughter while waiting for him (30 minutes late) to pick her up from school.

EG: A muslim parent pulls me aside (physically grabbing me) and says “If you or any boy touches her, I will kill you.”

This is the typical experience I have with muslims: the moment they find out I’m Catholic (or think I’m Orthodox), they threaten my life. And I don’t live in a muslim country.

I can’t say that I’ve had any muslim friends; most muslims, when they realize I’m not going to convert, avoid me or threaten to kill me.

 

[JeanneFrancoise]

Tony:
It isn’t the mullahs who have been threatening to kill me for wearing a cross at work, or working with their children in school. It’s devout radical muslims in the United States.

Islam in practice is not the same everywhere, and the Qu’ran lends itself quite well to justification of anti-christian violence in the name of Islam. (While I don’t read arabic, I’ve read 4 different translations of the Qu’ran.) I’ve encountered few “peaceful” visible muslims, but I’ve encountered more than a dozen violent muslims identifiable in the nature of their hate speech.

EG: “Were it not for your stupid laws, I’d kill you where you stand, infidel.” Whispered to me by a muslim parent who looked inside my shirt to see my cross underneath. I was reading a book to his daughter while waiting for him (30 minutes late) to pick her up from school.

EG: A muslim parent pulls me aside (physically grabbing me) and says “If you or any boy touches her, I will kill you.”

This is the typical experience I have with muslims: the moment they find out I’m Catholic (or think I’m Orthodox), they threaten my life. And I don’t live in a muslim country.

I can’t say that I’ve had any muslim friends; most muslims, when they realize I’m not going to convert, avoid me or threaten to kill me.

This is indeed shocking. I wonder what one can do about such a thing.

If the muslim person said such a thing in front of a witness could you sue the muslim for such threats?

I do believe that Muslims (most of them who are radical) are extremely dangerous and something should be done about it.

First thing to do is to pray

 

[7_Sorrows]

Tony:
It isn’t the mullahs who have been threatening to kill me for wearing a cross at work, or working with their children in school. It’s devout radical muslims in the United States.

Islam in practice is not the same everywhere, and the Qu’ran lends itself quite well to justification of anti-christian violence in the name of Islam. (While I don’t read arabic, I’ve read 4 different translations of the Qu’ran.) I’ve encountered few “peaceful” visible muslims, but I’ve encountered more than a dozen violent muslims identifiable in the nature of their hate speech.

EG: “Were it not for your stupid laws, I’d kill you where you stand, infidel.” Whispered to me by a muslim parent who looked inside my shirt to see my cross underneath. I was reading a book to his daughter while waiting for him (30 minutes late) to pick her up from school.

EG: A muslim parent pulls me aside (physically grabbing me) and says “If you or any boy touches her, I will kill you.”

This is the typical experience I have with muslims: the moment they find out I’m Catholic (or think I’m Orthodox), they threaten my life. And I don’t live in a muslim country.

I can’t say that I’ve had any muslim friends; most muslims, when they realize I’m not going to convert, avoid me or threaten to kill me.

if i were you, i would not do anything to be around these people if they are threatening you like that. stay far away, very far away from them to avoid any confrontation.

i feel uneasy whenever i am around any muslim people because if they own a business and i come to buy something i am thinking of how much they really hate me because i am american. it is kind of uncomfortabe.

 

[Sailka]

Hi!

I have also known wonderful people who are Muslim - gentle and kind.

However those are regular people who live in my country.

Have you every lived in a Muslim country?
Have you ever heard Muslims defend Christians who are persecuted?
Have you ever seen Muslims demonstrate against terrorism?
Have you ever read books by Muslims who speak out against fundamentalism?

I think if you sum things up you will find that Muslims on the whole are not friends of Christians. They might tolerate us but they do not defend us - they are not our friends. They want us all to be muslims like them at all cost!

I need to ask you something? What makes you so absolutely defensive of Muslims? Please answer this.

Thank you

Am only defender of reality. I know well the extremisms by some muslim Governments like Saudia, our "ally’. Know why extremists are that way? Because us outsiders have radicalized some areas for over a century. Ever heard of how Britain overthrew the democratically elected President of Iran in late1940’s, and installed the Shah? Was done to prevent socialism there and contril the Big Oil business there for Britain. The Shah became more and more repressive, initaiated a tough Secret Police/torture, repression of dissent, and ‘westernized’ Iranian Culture, life too much. That is what led to the popular overthrow of the unelected Shah, who had become a Dictator. The Ayatollah Khomeni became extremly Popular, became Iranian leader. He had become radiicalized Highly against Outside control, influence. That is summary of Iran Goverrnment taken over by Western powers, for political and economic reasons.

More recently, Iraninans were very great supporters of the USA. They idolized us, and the government was becoming less Muslim controlled. Despite Major antiterrorist intelliligence and help By Iran after 9/11, our current administration falselly (Proven) labelled Iran as one of big 3 evil countries, and threatened Military Action and conquest of Iran, using the falsehood (Proven) of Iran building Nuclear Weapons. Our Government of Non-Vets even proposed Atom Bombs against Iran.
Far worse happened in Iraq. There was Zero, n o excuse or reason to conquer Iraq. Us doing so, All (Every) false reasons, and then initiating known International war crime, which we also signed off on, Torture of “suspects” (85% of whom knew nothing about Terrorist cells, plans) turned the once supporting Iraqis strongly against US occupation. And there was El Graibe Prison, torture, Etc, Etc Etc All Initiated by current administration, Falselly.
50-100,000 Iraqi’s have died, Over a million Fled Iraq, and Teerrorism developed to harrass us out. Catholic and Muslim lived together ideally, until the 'War" begun by our non-vet administration planned 2 years before 9/11. The entire world oposed our conquest of Iraq. Am Million % supporter of all our Armed Forces, but agree with Both of the last 2 Popes in opposing these ‘wars’, for false reasons.

                                                                                 These false wars  and false attacks On  Islam as a   new 'holy war'  by us  Christian West  is what Caused massive increase  in terrorism and   Anti-west, and Ten fold increaee for  Bin Laden  support  (2%  to 22%) after our conquest and policies In Iraq, 9/11  to Year later, among   Muslims.

And getting back to Christianity in Europe, these policies of Our non-vet Government is what has radicalized Muslims and Arabs against US policies.
Understand now how its politriscians, not religions at Fault? Vivat Jesus. Tony

 

[Sailka]

if i were you, i would not do anything to be around these people if they are threatening you like that. stay far away, very far away from them to avoid any confrontation.

i feel uneasy whenever i am around any muslim people because if they own a business and i come to buy something i am thinking of how much they really hate me because i am american. it is kind of uncomfortabe.

I am Never ‘uneasy’ among ‘those’ people. They are us, with diffrent faith and culture. I have a few great Muslim friends, and know of No one who has Any problem with them. They are wonderful people. And NONE of them hate because we are American,. Is another False political Lie. It is This government’s radical Policies they hate, as most of world does.
Vivat Jesus. Tony

 

[JeanneFrancoise]

I am Never ‘uneasy’ among ‘those’ people. They are us, with diffrent faith and culture. I have a few great Muslim friends, and know of No one who has Any problem with them. They are wonderful people. And NONE of them hate because we are American,. Is another False political Lie. It is This government’s radical Policies they hate, as most of world does.
Vivat Jesus. Tony

 

[Cinette]

                                                                                           In a VERY Few Muslim countries, beset by War, by outside forces/politiscians.  Our politiscians that did nothing to Protect the USA, but launched wars in  other countries, They do not have One day   War service between them, when we were at war.

Please be VERY careful attacking other religions or cultures. Politiscians cause wars, not religions. Is Documented in a great book I can name.
Tony

 

[7_Sorrows]

I am Never ‘uneasy’ among ‘those’ people. They are us, with diffrent faith and culture. I have a few great Muslim friends, and know of No one who has Any problem with them. They are wonderful people. And NONE of them hate because we are American,. Is another False political Lie. It is This government’s radical Policies they hate, as most of world does.
Vivat Jesus. Tony

i am sorry tony, i wasn’t referring to you about staying away from the muslims. i was referring to the post by aramis - i think it was post #312. if you read the post by aramis, you will understand why i said that.

 

[JeanneFrancoise]

i am sorry tony, i wasn’t referring to you about staying away from the muslims. i was referring to the post by aramis - i think it was post #312. if you read the post by aramis, you will understand why i said that.

Hi Sailka -

What have you to say about Aramis’ post?

Is that not a very bad thing? Don’t you think those people are dangerous? Can you not understand her feelings about Muslims after those experiences?

I look forward to your comment

 

[JeanneFrancoise]

I am Never ‘uneasy’ among ‘those’ people. They are us, with diffrent faith and culture. I have a few great Muslim friends, and know of No one who has Any problem with them. They are wonderful people. And NONE of them hate because we are American,. Is another False political Lie. It is This government’s radical Policies they hate, as most of world does.
Vivat Jesus. Tony

Are you an ex-Muslim?

It is important to promote peace and goodwill but I think that you have to react if they are hostile.

From what I have read here you appear to be very much in favour of these people.