Evangelism to Muslims

[Joseph_Alison]

murtad:

I am happy both of us as members of the Catholic Church agree that we should engage in active evangelism of Muslims and get Muslims to confess the Nicene Creed, the basis of Trinity and confess Ever-Virgin Mary is Theotokos.

The question is how do we begin evangelism of Muslims? We will need to follow the methods given in the Bible and Cathecism of the Catholic Church.

In the Bible, 1 Corinthians 9 verse 20, God says:
To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews; to those under the law I became as one under the law – though not being myself under the law – that I might win those under the law.

I understand this verse in light of CCC 841 to mean that the Apostle Paul (may the Lord bless him) approached the Jews as a Jew preaching in Hebrew, and to the Greeks, Coptics and Syriacs he preached in ways appropriate to their cultures. For the Gospel is both for the Jew and for the Gentile.

In the Cathecism of the Catholic Church, we read:
841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day."

In light of 1 Corinthians 9 verse 20 of Bible, we must understand that Muslims like Jews are a culture. There are good Muslims, like His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI (may the Lord bless him) and bad Muslims like the false prophet Muhammad (may the Lord curse him).

A good Muslim does everything the Cathecism of the Catholic Church calls him to do. He confesses the Nicene Creed first and foremost, opposes death penalty except as a last resort (such as when required in war time like this post 9/11 times.

A bad Muslim, on the other hand is like the false prophet Muhammad (may the Lord curse him), Osama bin Ladin, Adolf Hitler and Josef Stalin (may the Lord curse them all). They deny everything the Cathecism of the Catholic Church calls him to do. Thus bad Muslims are a death cult and we can see this in the post 9/11 times as the U.S.-led anti-terrorism coalition declared war against this death cult.

Christian Catholics must be sensitive to culture of Muslims when we perform evangelism. We can do so by emulating the Eastern Rite Catholic Churches in communion with the Western Rite Church headquarted in Rome. Some examples of these Churches are such as:

1. Russian Catholic Church in Russian Federation
2. Greek Catholic Church in Greece and Turkey
3. Coptic Catholic Church in Egypt
4. Syriac Catholic Church in Syria, Lebanon and Iraq

All these Churches allow many Eastern customs such as but not limited to married priests.

I suggest Christian Catholics propose to your local Bishops and also if possible write a petition to His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI telling them to establish a Muslim Rite Church that is in communion with Rome like our sister Coptic Catholic Church, which has its own Patriarch.

The features of the Muslim Rite shall be :

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   *]They shall be called Muslim Rite Catholic Church
   
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     *]Their Shahada (statement of faith) shall be the Nicene Creed
     
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       *]They shall confess Ever-Virgin Mary is Theotokos
       
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         *]They shall perform liturgy (worship) 5 times a day
         
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           *]Add your proposed features here
           
           Is this dishonesty? Hardly since the word “Muslim” means “a person who submits to God”. A Muslim can be a person who submits to the Christian God, Trinity, or to the Islamist God, Allah, the Arabian God, or a Jehovah’s Witness who worships the English God, Jehovah. Except for Trinitarian Muslims, which is the true Muslim faith, every other Muslim is a false Muslim.
           
           So, let us carry out our duties as Christian Catholics by making disciples of all nations.
           
           Please do not be afraid to tell me your reaction, whether positive or negative. If you read my comments with an open mind believing in the Bible and Cathecism of Catholic Church, I am sure you will grasp exactly what I am trying to say.
           
           The above I write in the name of my Lord Jesus and my Lady Ever-Virgin Mary the Theotokos.

1. • • • • 
           Looks like a manual for conversion to me.
           From which conversion specialized school did you graduate?
           I guess, with time we will know your true motives.
           Keep dreaming. You only easy target are children, orphan children, and the like you undestood it and that is one reason they ruch to areas where they can find them.
           
           So keep dreaming…keep dreaming.
           
           Salaam Joseph.

 

[Justice2006]

LatinCat:

Christ commanded that we evangelized the world

Are you reading the following a lot:

**Everyone who acknowledges me before others I will acknowledge before my heavenly Father. But whoever denies me before others, I will deny before my heavenly Father. "Do not think that I have come to bring peace upon the earth. I have come to bring not peace but the sword. For I have come to set a man ‘against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one’s enemies will be those of his household.’ "Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and whoever does not take up his cross and follow after me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. “Whoever receives you receives me, and whoever receives me receives the one who sent me.
Whoever receives a prophet because he is a prophet will receive a prophet’s reward, and whoever receives a righteous man because he is righteous will receive a righteous man’s reward.
And whoever gives only a cup of cold water to one of these little ones to drink because he is a disciple–amen, I say to you, he will surely not lose his reward.” **

 

[Justice2006]

murtad:

Please do not be afraid to tell me your reaction, whether positive or negative…

Mr.murtad,

I don’t believe that you ever was a Muslim. Don’t worry how your reaction is taken after reading the following:

Isaiah 7:20
Catholics’ New American Bible

20 9 **On that day the LORD shall shave with the razor hired from across the River (with the king of Assyria) the head, and the hair between the legs. It shall also shave off the beard. **

Footnote 9: 9 [20] God will use the Assyrians from across the River (the Euphrates) as his instrument (razor) to inflict disgrace and suffering upon his people.

[usccb.org/nab/bible/isaiah/isaiah7.htm]](http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/isaiah/isaiah7.htm])

Don’t forget to read this verse and Ezekiel 23 when calling Muslims to get evengelised.
.

 

[Justice2006]

murtad:

Hardly since the word “Muslim” means “a person who submits to God”. A Muslim can be a person who submits to the Christian God, Trinity, or to the Islamist God, Allah, the Arabian God, or a Jehovah’s Witness who worships the English God, Jehovah. Except for Trinitarian Muslims, which is the true Muslim faith, every other Muslim is a false Muslim.

Mr. murtad, you are a joker. Arn’t you?

You said “a Jehovah’s Witness who worships the English God” LOL

Are you an enemy of Catholic church?

 

[murtad]

pro_universal:

Does it really spread the message of Christ to go around calling people satanic? Or to say they worship death, when they clearly do not believe that themselves?

You don’t know the art of social engineering. Muslim evangelism requires us to be ambassadors of Lord Jesus. We are to market our Christian Catholic faith in the best way possible. In order to do that we use best marketing methods. This includes politeness and love for our enemy. Never be rude. We must explain to him the entire history of Islam and how racist and violent its founder and its first 4 Caliphs were. The predominantly non-Arab Byzantine Empire was conquered and forcefully converted to Arabs via means of racist taxes Jizyah/Kharaj. Many Coptics, Syriacs, Armenians, Geez, Greeks and Nubians and Jews were forced to abandon their ethnic identity and convert to Arab culture. Point out that the 22 Arab States that exist today were originally non-Arab but forced to embrace Arabism against their free will. This is akin to Protestant army who massacred the Red Indians and Austrialian Aborigenes and made them a tiny minority in their own lands but the Anglo-Saxon are the majority.

On the contrary, point out that the Christian Catholic faith converted the Roman Empire by spiritual sword (aka democratic way). It took 400 years for the spiritual sword to peacefully convert the minds of Roman citizens. In the 4th century, an Emperor named St Constantine the Great seeing the majority of his subjects as adherents of the Christian faith, embraced this faith.

Thus, you see our Lord Jesus and His Apostle Paul fulfiled their promise that the entire land of the Romans will be converted not by the violent and bloody physical sword of the Pharisees (aka Islamists) but by the spiritual sword, called evangelism. Therefore, Roman Empire was conquered democratically in accordance with the Cathecism of the Catholic Church.

Gradual fall of the Byzantine Empire

The Roman Empire was factionalised into rival sects due to theological differences, which are always political. This made our Christian kingdom weak and divided against itself and ultimately it was conquered by Islamist Arabs who converted the entire non-Arab Middle Eastern society into what is known today as the Arab world.

In Bible, Book of Matthew Chapter 12, verses 25 to 28, we read the verses:

[25] Knowing their thoughts, he said to them, "Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and no city or house divided against itself will stand;

The conquest of various provinces of the Byzantine Empire from Egypt, Palestine, Assyria and ultimately the conquest of Constantinople in 1453 C.E. by the Islamist armies led to the Arabisation, Kurdification, and Turkification of the Nubians, Coptics, Syriacs, Armenians, Geez and Greeks who were Christian peoples proves the command of our Lord is true even today.

[26] and if Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then will his kingdom stand?

As we know the sons and the daughters of Satan, the anti-chalcedonian monophysite, anti-eupheus nestorians, as well as the heretical Greek Orthodox Churches that is made up of 16 schismatic bodies, each with their own Pope finally saw the truth when their kingdom (aka Byzantine Empire) did not stand and was ultimately conquered in 1453 C.E.

[28] But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

The only Church that is Sovereign is Catholic Church, headquarted in Vatican City, which is New Jerusalem. Vatican is a theocracy and is above every nation and government. A Christian Catholic pledges his loyalty to the Vatican and not to secular governments that pass away.

Coptic Egypt, Syriac Assyria and the Pan-Hellenik Byzantine Empire are no more and just remain a name. This is the wrath of God Most High for they broke communion with the Pope in Rome began worshipping idols like the Coptic language, the Syriac language, and the Greek language, and totally forgetting our God and Lord Jesus and His mother our Lady Ever-Virgin Mary the Theotokos.

pro_universal:

Attacking the muslim faith does nothing but make Christians feel better about attacking muslims.

I can see that you are confusing the true Muslim faith with the false Muslim faith. The true Muslim faith is expressed when a Muslim confess the Nicene Creed, ie. believe God is Trinity, not the Arab idol, Allah.

We obey the Lord who told us to love our enemies by honestly and politely explain to them their worldview and beliefs are wrong. We can start by telling them that the truth hurts and ask them for permission to tell them the painful truth. If they agree, then begin evangelism.

Tell me reaction, positive/negative to my comments above. Do you agree? If no, why not?

–
In the name of my Lord Jesus and my Lady Ever-Virgin Mary.

 

[murtad]

Justice2006:

Mr.murtad,

I don’t believe that you ever was a Muslim. Don’t worry how your reaction is taken after reading the following:

You are free to disbelieve if so wish to. I cannot force you to believe. Please take note that if I was not an ex-Muslim, I would not be such an expert in Islamic terminology. In fact, my handle, “murtad” is an Islamic term meaning “apostate Muslim”. I choose this handle because I want to show the Christian Catholic community that I bravely renounced Islamism and love my Lord Jesus, the true God more than myself. Under Islamic Syariah, I can face the maximum death penalty for deserting the Ummah, the Islamic community. This brutal death penalty is called “rajm” and normally occurs by stoning a convicted criminal to death.

Justice2006:

Isaiah 7:20
Catholics’ New American Bible

20 9 **On that day the LORD shall shave with the razor hired from across the River (with the king of Assyria) the head, and the hair between the legs. It shall also shave off the beard. **

Footnote 9: 9 [20] God will use the Assyrians from across the River (the Euphrates) as his instrument (razor) to inflict disgrace and suffering upon his people.

[usccb.org/nab/bible/isaiah/isaiah7.htm]](http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/isaiah/isaiah7.htm])

Don’t forget to read this verse and Ezekiel 23 when calling Muslims to get evengelised.
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Yes, I have read these verses many times. These verses do not talk about Arabs or even Muslims. You seem to be confusing Assyrians with Arabs! Assyrians are a Christian peoples. They converted from paganism to the Christian Catholic faith in the 1st century. In Iraq, they are called Syriac Catholic Church and have their own Patriarch who is in communion with Bishop of Rome. Their liturgy is done in a dialect of Aramaic, called Syriac.

Assyrians are persecuted by the Arab Muslim majority. Many Assyrians were massacred by Saddam Hussein ruling Pan-Arab Baath party that practised racism towards non-Arabs. He accused Assyrians for colloborating with the seperatist Kurds. I thank God for preserving the Assyrian nation and overthrowing the Pan-Arab Baath party. Today in Iraq there are about 800,000 Assyrians who worship in the Syriac Catholic Church.

 

[Justice2006]

murtad:

On the contrary, point out that the Christian Catholic faith converted the Roman Empire by **spiritual sword ** (aka democratic way). It took 400 years for the spiritual sword to peacefully convert the minds of Roman citizens. In the 4th century, an Emperor named St Constantine the Great seeing the majority of his subjects as adherents of the Christian faith, embraced this faith.

Oh really? Is that the reason no one then and no one now have actaul Message of Jesus?

Is that the rason a new fusion of pagan+greek philosophy+some unreliable teachings of Jesus came into being in the name of Christianty?

Where are the original reliable teachings of Jesus Christ? All you have is some books/letters, mostly written by Unknown authors.

Read your Catholic catechism:

Lesson 17:
Materials Used In Composing The Bible

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**1. What has become of the original copies of the Bible? **

They have been either destroyed or lost.

**2. What were the causes of destruction or loss? **

Many, particularly persecution and the fragility of the materials used, which did not withstand the ravages of time.

**3. How was persecution a cause for the loss or destruction of the originals? **

Sometimes the Christians themselves destroyed the original to prevent profanation at the hands of the pagan persecutors; some other times they were found and destroyed by the pagans. The persecution of Decius (Roman Emperor from 249 to 251) was particularly vicious in this regard.

[* A Catechism Of The Bible]](* A Catechism Of The Bible])

Now, why “Christians” themselves destroyed the original copies of the Bible to prevent profanation at the hands of the pagan persecutors?

Why pagans were after “Christians” if they indeed were peaceful and harmless?

If “Christians” were minding their own business and lived peacefully then why Decius was an staunch enemy of them?

.

 

[murtad]

Justice2006:

Mr. murtad, you are a joker. Arn’t you?

You said “a Jehovah’s Witness who worships the English God” LOL

Are you an enemy of Catholic church?

How can I be an enemy of the Catholic Church when I embraced the Christian Catholic faith, confess the true God is Trinity and continue to defend it from anti-Christian Nestorians whether Islamists or JWs alike.

When I said that Jehovah’s Witnesses worships a fake English God called “Jehovah” this is a fact as “Jehovah” is God of the Jews but Trinity is God of Christians. JWs like Jews deny Trinity and deny the true Lord and true God Jesus who became man.

Every Christian must be aware of the lies taught by JWs, Islamists and Jews who are the modern day anti-Christ. With love for our enemies, counter them patiently explaining the truth of Gospel of our Lord Jesus. Point to them that Ever-Virgin Mary is Theotokos and justify this from the Bible and Sacred Tradition of the Church. This way, once the deity of the Messiah is proven everything comes naturally.

 

[Daniel_Marsh]

Jesus is God’s final Revelation to Mankind, He is alpha and omega, first and last, there are not great prophets after him!!!

Hebrews 1

1In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe. 3The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.

Revelation 22:18-19 (New International Version)
18I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

Revelation 1:8
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Revelation 21:6
He said to me: "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life.

Revelation 22:13
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End… 16"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you[a] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."

 

[pro_universal]

Do you believe that the Catholic Church possess the fullness of divine revelation?
Do you believe that the Catholic Church was founded by Jesus?
Do you believe that the Catholic Church teaches infallibly when it makes a de fide declaration?
Do you believe Christ’s words: “Go, make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit” ?
Do you believe that satan is the father of lies?
Do you believe that the muslim religion teaches things that are lies?
Do you believe the Church when she teaches “extra ecclesiam nulla solus” (outside of the Church there is no salvation except in the case of invincible ignorance)?
Do you believe that Lumen Gentium rejects past Catholic teaching or should be interperated in light of past teachings? i.e. do you believe that the Catholic Church does not change its de fide statements?

My answer to the questions above should be clear from my posts. Now, I would like for you to answer my questions, the following being the most direct one:

Do you believe that Jews are of satan, because they teach that Jesus was not God?

To see my point, you need do no more than read Murtad’s diatribes on this thread. How productive is that? Whose life is better when “evangelism” means talking down to other people about what you want them to say, rather than what we should all do to make the world a better place?

 

[Booklover]

pro_universal:

My answer to the questions above should be clear from my posts. Now, I would like for you to answer my questions, the following being the most direct one:

Do you believe that Jews are of satan, because they teach that Jesus was not God?

To see my point, you need do no more than read Murtad’s diatribes on this thread. How productive is that? Whose life is better when “evangelism” means talking down to other people about what you want them to say, rather than what we should all do to make the world a better place?

Why diatribes? What do you know of Murtad’s life under Islam to make statements like that! He’s seen the real face of Islam, the one that you refuse to see with your rose-colored glasses!

 

[inJESUS]

Hello Justice, as you see, no one is answering your posts coz they are repetitive although were already answered:

Ms. LatinCat,

I am afraid that, that saying of your “Lord” [if he indeed said that] is not valid anymore after the advent of Last and Final Prophet of God who is the Spirit of Truth

. i told you already this is refuted…mohammad is NOT the comforter Jesus promised to send…open a new thread on this so that i refute this claim once for all…

Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and done many miracles in thy name?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity

. [Matthew 7:22-23] this was explained already…it’s boring to repeat it again and again…Our Lord was talking about those who do Inequities…: IF jESUS did not like the word “lord”, first he shouldn’t have said “many who call me Lord” but ALL who call me Lord…second, he was called Lord many times to which He did not object.

 

[inJESUS]

Justice2006:

LatinCat:

Christ commanded that we evangelized the world

Are you reading the following a lot:

**Everyone who acknowledges me before others I will acknowledge before my heavenly Father. But whoever denies me before others, I will deny before my heavenly Father. "Do not think that I have come to bring peace upon the earth. I have come to bring not peace but the sword. For I have come to set a man ‘against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one’s enemies will be those of his household.’ "Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and whoever does not take up his cross and follow after me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. “Whoever receives you receives me, and whoever receives me receives the one who sent me.
Whoever receives a prophet because he is a prophet will receive a prophet’s reward, and whoever receives a righteous man because he is righteous will receive a righteous man’s reward.
And whoever gives only a cup of cold water to one of these little ones to drink because he is a disciple–amen, I say to you, he will surely not lose his reward.” **

your objection exactly? please do not tell me Jesus was advocating violence here!! i beg you not to say so :crying:

 

[inJESUS]

Justice2006:

Mr.murtad,

I don’t believe that you ever was a Muslim. Don’t worry how your reaction is taken after reading the following:

Isaiah 7:20
Catholics’ New American Bible

20 9 **On that day the LORD shall shave with the razor hired from across the River (with the king of Assyria) the head, and the hair between the legs. It shall also shave off the beard. **

Footnote 9: 9 [20] God will use the Assyrians from across the River (the Euphrates) as his instrument (razor) to inflict disgrace and suffering upon his people.

[usccb.org/nab/bible/isaiah/isaiah7.htm]](http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/isaiah/isaiah7.htm])

Don’t forget to read this verse and Ezekiel 23 when calling Muslims to get evengelised.
.

mmmm how did you link this verse to evangelizing? :whacky:

this has nothing to do with muslims !

 

[inJESUS]

Justice2006:

Oh really? Is that the reason no one then and no one now have actaul Message of Jesus?

Is that the rason a new fusion of pagan+greek philosophy+some unreliable teachings of Jesus came into being in the name of Christianty?

Where are the original reliable teachings of Jesus Christ? All you have is some books/letters, mostly written by Unknown authors.

Read your Catholic catechism:

Lesson 17:
Materials Used In Composing The Bible

---

**1. What has become of the original copies of the Bible? **

They have been either destroyed or lost.

**2. What were the causes of destruction or loss? **

Many, particularly persecution and the fragility of the materials used, which did not withstand the ravages of time.

**3. How was persecution a cause for the loss or destruction of the originals? **

Sometimes the Christians themselves destroyed the original to prevent profanation at the hands of the pagan persecutors; some other times they were found and destroyed by the pagans. The persecution of Decius (Roman Emperor from 249 to 251) was particularly vicious in this regard.

[* A Catechism Of The Bible]](* A Catechism Of The Bible])

Now, why “Christians” themselves destroyed the original copies of the Bible to prevent profanation at the hands of the pagan persecutors?

Why pagans were after “Christians” if they indeed were peaceful and harmless?

If “Christians” were minding their own business and lived peacefully then why Decius was an staunch enemy of them?

.

mmmm didnt you learn yet that digression leads to a closed thread? and will you continue posting the same posts? we are dealing with this issue on a different thread…and i already told you what you are posting does make absolutely no problem to us …do you think you are posting a novelty?

So please keep track…

Murtad, i personally pray…prayer makes wonders

 

[pro_universal]

Why diatribes? What do you know of Murtad’s life under Islam to make statements like that! He’s seen the real face of Islam, the one that you refuse to see with your rose-colored glasses!

Let’s agree on one thing: The long posts are clearly cribbed from a “how to argue with muslims” pamphlet. There’s no possible way you can read that and imagine that Murtad just happened to be thinking of it and to post it here.

Second, look at how much community and friendship they build…none. These kinds of rants do not and are not designed to bring anyone to the Church. All they do is antagonize other faiths by attacking their articles of faith, and in the process perhaps make some Christians feel better about being Christian. Look at the debates all over this board if you don’t believe me.

Judging by his posting times and the content of his posts, I have my own theories about what murtad has seen (or not)…but I’d like to ask: How do you know what of Islam I have or haven’t seen? Why is it so unbelievable that a Catholic would respect others’ beliefs and not feel the need to criticize them?

We’re in a sad state of affairs if most Catholics don’t even believe I’m one simply because I refuse to bash another faith. We should be a Church where people refuse to believe I’m Catholic because I’m attacking other religions instead of doing my duty to extend the hand of friendship to them.

 

[pro_universal]

On the contrary, point out that the Christian Catholic faith converted the Roman Empire by spiritual sword (aka democratic way). It took 400 years for the spiritual sword to peacefully convert the minds of Roman citizens. In the 4th century, an Emperor named St Constantine the Great seeing the majority of his subjects as adherents of the Christian faith, embraced this faith.

I’m sorry, but this is false. Constantine embraced the faith when Christianity was still a minority sect. Rome didn’t become a fully Christian empire until Theodosius the Great outlawed all pagan and unorthodox religion on pain of death, and began vigorously enforcing the law.

To pretend that Christianity didn’t spread by the sword is simply preposterous. I can’t think of a single place where large numbers (as in a majority of the population) of Christians have historically lived that didn’t become christian after a christian army conquered the land and then outlawed all other religions.

 

[Justice2006]

Mr. murtad,
You must take a history class from an unbiased/independant professor of your own Christian history. Your claims cannot change the facts.

 

[Booklover]

pro_universal:

Let’s agree on one thing: The long posts are clearly cribbed from a “how to argue with muslims” pamphlet. There’s no possible way you can read that and imagine that Murtad just happened to be thinking of it and to post it here.

Second, look at how much community and friendship they build…none. These kinds of rants do not and are not designed to bring anyone to the Church. All they do is antagonize other faiths by attacking their articles of faith, and in the process perhaps make some Christians feel better about being Christian. Look at the debates all over this board if you don’t believe me.

Judging by his posting times and the content of his posts, I have my own theories about what murtad has seen (or not)…but I’d like to ask: How do you know what of Islam I have or haven’t seen? Why is it so unbelievable that a Catholic would respect others’ beliefs and not feel the need to criticize them?

Because they don’t respect anyone else’s! They think they’re the only ones entitled to respect!

We’re in a sad state of affairs if most Catholics don’t even believe I’m one simply because I refuse to bash another faith. We should be a Church where people refuse to believe I’m Catholic because I’m attacking other religions instead of doing my duty to extend the hand of friendship to them.

They deny the divinity of Christ, and make him a lesser to prophet to Mohammed! Isn’t that enough to stop defending them. Let them defend themselves! Justice2006 has not come here to learn anything but to attack in a very venomous way everything that we believe in and hold dear, but I don’t see you defending the Church but I suppose when it’s a Muslim attacking us, it’s okay in your book! Let’s be politically correct at all times!

 

[inJESUS]

Booklover:

They deny the divinity of Christ, and make him a lesser to prophet to Mohammed! Isn’t that enough to stop defending them. Let them defend themselves! Justice2006 has not come here to learn anything but to attack in a very venomous way everything that we believe in and hold dear, but I don’t see you defending the Church but I suppose when it’s a Muslim attacking us, it’s okay in your book! Let’s be politically correct at all times!

coz, simply, he is a muslim