Evangelization?

[tkdnick]

SPOKENWORD:

Hi TK. It is the duty of every christian to bring the message of salvation to all men on this earth.It was the will of the Father,Jesus obeyed Him,and we are to do the same. God Bless

Ok, so your definition of evangelization is “bringing the message of salvation to all men on earth”. Would that be correct?

 

[psychemusic]

From St. Faustina’s Diary:

"The Lord has given me to know how much He desires the perfection of chosen souls.

Chosen souls are, in My hand, lights which I cast into the darkness of the world and with which I illumine it. As stars illumine the night, so chosen souls illumine the earth. And the more perfect a soul is, the stronger and the more far-reaching is the light shed by it. It can be hidden and unknown, even to those closest to it, and yet its holiness is reflected in souls even to the most distant extremities of the world."

I believe this is what Christ desires for us. It’s about being holy within.

 

[surfinpure]

From St. Faustina’s Diary:

"The Lord has given me to know how much He desires the perfection of chosen souls.

Chosen souls are, in My hand, lights which I cast into the darkness of the world and with which I illumine it. As stars illumine the night, so chosen souls illumine the earth. And the more perfect a soul is, the stronger and the more far-reaching is the light shed by it. It can be hidden and unknown, even to those closest to it, and yet its holiness is reflected in souls even to the most distant extremities of the world."

I believe this is what Christ desires for us. Evangelization is about being holy within.

 

[SPOKENWORD]

tkdnick:

Ok, so your definition of evangelization is “bringing the message of salvation to all men on earth”. Would that be correct?

Hi Tk, That is correct. God Bless

 

[boppysbud]

SPOKENWORD:

Hi Garden, How does your garden grow? Of course we need to do something and that is to obey Him. When did you recieve the gift of reading souls? How do you know whether I am in the state of grace or not? Just curious. I do not risk embarrising myself when i,m witnessing for the Lord. Thanks for your prayers. God Bless

Spokenword, when did YOU recieve the gift of reading souls? How do you know that everyone else is “lost”? From what I have read of you, you seem to just assume that everyone else but you is “lost” and is a fair target for your proselytizing (not evengelizing), and you preach to everyone whether they are already Christian or not.

How do you know that your proseletyzing targets are not already Christians?

 

[boppysbud]

The problem with most fundies is that they think they are still back in the first century when Christianity was just starting out. This is very apparent when you attend a fundie church. They have constantly running reeevival meetings, not worship for people who are already Christians. They have no altars, but their churches are centered on the pulpit, and of course thier services almost always end with an ''alter" call, because they assume that no one present is really Christian.

They ignore the fact that two-thousand years have passed since the beginnings of the Church (Catholic), and the vast majority of people in our culture if not already Christian have already heard of Christ and Christianity, yet they insist on collaring everyone they meet with the gospel as if they are hearing it for the first time.

They refuse to admit the difference between Evangelising and Proseletyzing. Proseletyzing is approaching people who are already Christians and preaching at them, what they are doing the majority of the time is proseletyzing NOT evangelizing. They do not even know that their preaching at people who are already Christians is insulting to their targets.

 

[SPOKENWORD]

boppysbud:

Spokenword, when did YOU recieve the gift of reading souls? How do you know that everyone else is “lost”? From what I have read of you, you seem to just assume that everyone else but you is “lost” and is a fair target for your proselytizing (not evengelizing), and you preach to everyone whether they are already Christian or not.

How do you know that your proseletyzing targets are not already Christians?

Hi Bud,When you speak to me with garlic breath I know that you have eaten garlic. Well its the same way. You know when one has recieved Christ by their fruit. God Bless

 

[surfinpure]

SPOKENWORD:

Hi Bud,When you speak to me with garlic breath I know that you have eaten garlic. Well its the same way. You know when one has recieved Christ by their fruit. God Bless

By their fruit? And how exactly would you know the fruit of a person you’ve only just met?

If you approached me, for example, and asked me whether I’m “saved,” or whether I’ve “accepted Jesus,” I would be kind but very firm with you. You might not like my attitude. You might therefore assume that since I don’t readily “praise the Lord” with you that I am not, in fact, a Christian. But, of course, you would have no way of knowing the real fruit of my life.

This type of litmus test is far too common, and also far from accurate.

 

[dcdurel]

SPOKENWORD:

Hi Mickey,I witness to people the way Jesus did. I can approach anyone and witness to them. I never argue with them or debate them. I start of by going into the natural,like How are are you today? Beautiful day isnt it. I then will ask them; Can I ask you a question? Do you consider your self to be a good person? Many people will say yes and are more than happy to share examples why they feel like they are a good person. I then will say; lets see how you would stand according to Gods goodness? Gods goodness is judged by the 10 commandments. Have you ever told a lie? Most will say yes. What does that make you? A lier.Have you ever stolen anything? Apiece of candy ,a pen at work,ect… Value has nothing to do with the act. Again most will say ,yes. What does that make you? A thief… Have you ever looked upon a women with lust in your heart? This one got me also. Jesus said that anyone who looks at a person with lust in their heart has committed adultry. Most will say yes. What does that make you? An adulterer. Have you ever murdered anyone? Jesus says anyone who hates his brother committs murder…,ll stop here because if you are like me we probably have broken most if not all of Gods commandments. So now buy your own admission,you are a lier,a theif , a murderer,and an adulterer. As you can see in Gods eyes there is no one who is good. You know one day we will die and come before God for judgement. According to God standard; When you do would you consider yourself innocent or guilty? If they say guilty you then proceed to present Gods grace and share the gospel. If they say innocent,they are not ready.You might want to continue and show them how Jesus steps in to pay the penalty or you can say thanks for speaking with me. Maybe you can think about some of the things I shared with you.The Holy Spirit will begin to work on their conscience for on every mans heart the law is written. I,ll stop here for now, there is alot more I will share. Jesus presented the law to those He witness to.Its not about offending anyone,or hurting peoples feelings. You are talking about their salvation. Thats why its called the Good news.Do we want to see the lost perish? Something to think about. Jesus said the harvest is ready. Are we? God Bless

 

[dcdurel]

Someone wrote:

“You might want to continue and show them how Jesus steps in to pay the penalty or you can say thanks for speaking with me. Maybe you can think about some of the things I shared with you.The Holy Spirit will begin to work on their conscience for on every mans heart the law is written. I,ll stop here for now, there is alot more I will share. Jesus presented the law to those He witness to.Its not about offending anyone,or hurting peoples feelings.”

I think this person got this wrong. Jesus presented the law to those He witnessed to, NOT to convict them of being hopeless sinners, but to urge them to repent and follow the law.

I think this person needs to study the Gospels that wrote about Jesus and see what Jesus really did.

Jesus did not teach a Gospel that says, I will pay the penalty, simply believe in Me.

He taught a Gospel in which everyone must repent and believe the Gospel He taught. And the Gospel He taught was that through repentance and belief in Jesus, we can all obtain the grace in order to obtain salvation. He eventually taught that we receive this Grace through His Church, first at baptism, and then through the other sacraments and through prayer.

And by means of the grace that Jesus merited by His death and resurrection we can live a holy life, and eventually by this grace we can be rewarded with heaven. And if we sin, we do not give up and say we are all hopeless sinners. NO! We repent and seek more of His grace through the sacraments He established and through prayer, and thus gradually overcome our sinful habits.

 

[SPOKENWORD]

dcdurel:

Someone wrote:

“You might want to continue and show them how Jesus steps in to pay the penalty or you can say thanks for speaking with me. Maybe you can think about some of the things I shared with you.The Holy Spirit will begin to work on their conscience for on every mans heart the law is written. I,ll stop here for now, there is alot more I will share. Jesus presented the law to those He witness to.Its not about offending anyone,or hurting peoples feelings.”

I think this person got this wrong. Jesus presented the law to those He witnessed to, NOT to convict them of being hopeless sinners, but to urge them to repent and follow the law.

I think this person needs to study the Gospels that wrote about Jesus and see what Jesus really did.

Jesus did not teach a Gospel that says, I will pay the penalty, simply believe in Me.

He taught a Gospel in which everyone must repent and believe the Gospel He taught. And the Gospel He taught was that through repentance and belief in Jesus, we can all obtain the grace in order to obtain salvation. He eventually taught that we receive this Grace through His Church, first at baptism, and then through the other sacraments and through prayer.

And by means of the grace that Jesus merited by His death and resurrection we can live a holy life, and eventually by this grace we can be rewarded with heaven. And if we sin, we do not give up and say we are all hopeless sinners. NO! We repent and seek more of His grace through the sacraments He established and through prayer, and thus gradually overcome our sinful habits.

Hi DC. You are running on negative current. Without conviction[which is the job of the Holy Spirit] repentance will not come.Jesus is the payment for the beaking of the Law. Oh well. God Bless

 

[dcdurel]

SPOKENWORD:

Hi DC. You are running on negative current. Without conviction[which is the job of the Holy Spirit] repentance will not come.Jesus is the payment for the beaking of the Law. Oh well. God Bless

Jesus said, “repent and believe the Gospel”

Jesus said “if you wish to enter life, keep the commandments”

Jesus never ever taught a Gospel in which we don’t have to repent and in which we don’t have to obey God. Such a false gospel is from the traditions of men, especially Martin Luther, etc.

Before Jesus came people could repent and obey, but still not enter heaven, because Jesus had to reconcile man back to God. Jesus had to pay the penalty. Thus men were in limbo. But, after Jesus paid the penalty we still have to believe, repent and obey, as requirements to receive the salvation Jesus merited for us and thus enter heaven. If we don’t believe and obey, (or at least intend to obey if we repent just before we die) we are in rebellion against God and lose the grace we obtained through faith at baptism, and if we don’t repent, we will end up in hell, where the unrepentant want to be.

 

[SPOKENWORD]

dcdurel:

Jesus said, “repent and believe the Gospel”

Jesus said “if you wish to enter life, keep the commandments”

Jesus never ever taught a Gospel in which we don’t have to repent and in which we don’t have to obey God. Such a false gospel is from the traditions of men, especially Martin Luther, etc.

Before Jesus came people could repent and obey, but still not enter heaven, because Jesus had to reconcile man back to God. Jesus had to pay the penalty. Thus men were in limbo. But, after Jesus paid the penalty we still have to believe, repent and obey, as requirements to receive the salvation Jesus merited for us and thus enter heaven. If we don’t believe and obey, (or at least intend to obey if we repent just before we die) we are in rebellion against God and lose the grace we obtained through faith at baptism, and if we don’t repent, we will end up in hell, where the unrepentant want to be.

Hi DC.Your beginning to run on AC. No problem here .I,m in agreement with you. God Bless

 

[Little_Mary]

I read the first several posts and then scanned the rest because it is already over 100 posts so forgive me if this is out of place…

Spokenword, I think Catholics agree with you about evangelization but I think the point is that a direct approach is not always the most effective. Example is an awesome and very effective form of evangelization.

My father is a devout Catholic who attends daily Mass. He lives his faith. He is soft spoken. He judges no one - and accepts others as they are. This example that he sets, without saying a word, brought three family members back to God - and all three said that it was because my father inspired them just by the way he lives his life. Two converted to CAtholicism and one went back to her own church.

Anyway, I’m sure you can see the point I’m trying to make. Hope so anyway

btw - my dad will speak of salvation if someone says something that concerns him - but by then they know and respect him and will listen even if they don’t fully agree.

“Faith, hope and love, and the greatest of these is love”

And from Mother Angelica: "There are people you can speak about Jesus to, but then there are people that you must just BE Jesus to"

 

[SPOKENWORD]

Little Mary:

I read the first several posts and then scanned the rest because it is already over 100 posts so forgive me if this is out of place…

Spokenword, I think Catholics agree with you about evangelization but I think the point is that a direct approach is not always the most effective. Example is an awesome and very effective form of evangelization.

My father is a devout Catholic who attends daily Mass. He lives his faith. He is soft spoken. He judges no one - and accepts others as they are. This example that he sets, without saying a word, brought three family members back to God - and all three said that it was because my father inspired them just by the way he lives his life. Two converted to CAtholicism and one went back to her own church.

Anyway, I’m sure you can see the point I’m trying to make. Hope so anyway

btw - my dad will speak of salvation if someone says something that concerns him - but by then they know and respect him and will listen even if they don’t fully agree.

“Faith, hope and love, and the greatest of these is love”

And from Mother Angelica: "There are people you can speak about Jesus to, but then there are people that you must just BE Jesus to"

Hi Mary, I recognize there are many ways to evangelize. I agree we are to live our faith and that is a good example to show others. The way I showed you guys was just another biblical and effective way to evangelize with anyone.What we as christian need are tools that help us to bring in the lost to Christ. This method brings in true conversions to Christ. People will see why they need a Savior and not just a life enhancement experience.I love psalm 19 ;vs7 The Law of the Lord is perfect,restoring the soul. God Bless

 

[surfinpure]

Spoken,

I’m curious to know: how is your method, which we read a few posts back, so very different from the “Roman’s Road to Salvation” method taught in many protestant circles? It sounds very similar to me.

 

[SPOKENWORD]

surf(name removed by moderator)ure:

Spoken,

I’m curious to know: how is your method, which we read a few posts back, so very different from the “Roman’s Road to Salvation” method taught in many protestant circles? It sounds very similar to me.

Hi Sun, It is different.The way I,m talking about is how Jesus presented the good news. He showed them the Law and conviction came upon them. They saw why they needed a Savior. psalm 19;7 The law of the Lord is perfect,restoring the soul. The law is written on every mans heart.It will convict them. There are many who believe that because they say the sinners prayer they are saved. This is not true.St. Paul said I would not have known sin if it were not for the Law. This is powerful. The Law is written by Gods hand. God Thought it was so valuable that it was carried in the Arc.It is Gods Tool to restore the soul. God Bless

 

[surfinpure]

SPOKENWORD:

Hi Sun, It is different.The way I,m talking about is how Jesus presented the good news. He showed them the Law and conviction came upon them. They saw why they needed a Savior. psalm 19;7 The law of the Lord is perfect,restoring the soul. The law is written on every mans heart.It will convict them. There are many who believe that because they say the sinners prayer they are saved. This is not true.St. Paul said I would not have known sin if it were not for the Law. This is powerful. The Law is written by Gods hand. God Thought it was so valuable that it was carried in the Arc.It is Gods Tool to restore the soul. God Bless

It sounds like you’re trying, Spoken. And I’ll give you credit for having a method more reasonable than many. I still disagree with the idea of broaching the subject with anyone and everyone. I believe it is much more fruitful to live a holy life, letting that be one’s testimony, and only have discussions about sin and redemption when the time is right and the person is open.

On a personal note: My username is surf(name removed by moderator)ure, not sunfire.

 

[SPOKENWORD]

surf(name removed by moderator)ure:

It sounds like you’re trying, Spoken. And I’ll give you credit for having a method more reasonable than many. I still disagree with the idea of broaching the subject with anyone and everyone. I believe it is much more fruitful to live a holy life, letting that be one’s testimony, and only have discussions about sin and redemption when the time is right and the person is open.

On a personal note: My username is surf(name removed by moderator)ure, not sunfire.

Hi Surf, I,m sorry for misquoting your name. Then we will just have to disagree with each other. I respect your belief,but in honesty I can tell you there is no better way. I use it mostly every day and I can tell you it works. Its the way Christ ministered the good news. God Bless

 

[tkdnick]

SPOKENWORD:

The way I,m talking about is how Jesus presented the good news. He showed them the Law and conviction came upon them. They saw why they needed a Savior.

Jesus also spoke in parables, performed miracles, died on a cross, and rose from the dead. Do you minister that way too?