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fix
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I know and I am guilty as much as anyone at times. This thread here though really seems to point out that the organization, not every bishop, may need to revisit how reviews reflect Catholic teaching?
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oat_soda
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this statement here is so poorly written as to equate sodomy with the love and the natural use. there is no love in the homo act, only objectification and lust. this is why it is sin the cries to heaven.
again, if the usccb can’t get these small things right, how can they get the big things right? this reflects the entire organization and can’t simply be dismissed. simply compare the language they used in this movie review with that of gibson’s passion. you will see that they implicitly give a negative review of gibson’s movie while giving a positive review of a movie about gay cowboys!!
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TPJCatholic
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cathgal,
So, let’s say your harsh attitude towards the Bishops is well placed. What are YOU going to do to help make this a better culture? Stop blaming others and do something productive. No insult intended, it is just that I see an awful lot of attacks on the Bishops and NO personal responsibility being taken by lay Catholics.
We need to evangelize those around us and our families and our friends. How many people here actually do that? It is every Catholic’s duty to help the culture, not just the clergy. Frankly, the Bishops are in a poor place right now to help in these matters, their moral authority has been trashed by the abuse scandal. We MUST help. Send the Bishops letters, tell other people to do the same, tell other people about the sins depicted in that movie, teach the Gospel to anyone you can…grab the culture and try to change it and cease blaming others for a job WE are supposed to be doing.
(submitted in love…so please take no offense)
So, let’s say your harsh attitude towards the Bishops is well placed. What are YOU going to do to help make this a better culture? Stop blaming others and do something productive. No insult intended, it is just that I see an awful lot of attacks on the Bishops and NO personal responsibility being taken by lay Catholics.
We need to evangelize those around us and our families and our friends. How many people here actually do that? It is every Catholic’s duty to help the culture, not just the clergy. Frankly, the Bishops are in a poor place right now to help in these matters, their moral authority has been trashed by the abuse scandal. We MUST help. Send the Bishops letters, tell other people to do the same, tell other people about the sins depicted in that movie, teach the Gospel to anyone you can…grab the culture and try to change it and cease blaming others for a job WE are supposed to be doing.
(submitted in love…so please take no offense)
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TPJCatholic
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fix,
Yes, I agree. But, we must stand behind our Holy Mother Church and help those Bishops. They are being seige by satanic attacks from all sides and we must step-up to help them get the job done…they just cannot do it alone, they must feel at war quite a lot…which of course they are. I firmly believe that the Bishops love Christ, we need to show our love for Christ by helping His clergy do the task of evangelizing this culture. The harvest is plenty, but the laborers are few…we need to quickly become laborers.
Yes, I agree. But, we must stand behind our Holy Mother Church and help those Bishops. They are being seige by satanic attacks from all sides and we must step-up to help them get the job done…they just cannot do it alone, they must feel at war quite a lot…which of course they are. I firmly believe that the Bishops love Christ, we need to show our love for Christ by helping His clergy do the task of evangelizing this culture. The harvest is plenty, but the laborers are few…we need to quickly become laborers.
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cathgal
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I’d say don’t give movie reviews if it can’t be given a good reviews, simple as that. Then we wouldn’t be here criticizing. Saying that lay people are as much to blame as bishops doesn’t help.
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TPJCatholic
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cathgal,
Lay Catholics are to blame just as much as the Bishops. We do not have to let the culture go as it is, we do not have to pay for those movies, we can teach the Gospel, we can support our Bishops, yet a great many lay Catholics simply sit back and whine and complain.
Lay Catholics are to blame just as much as the Bishops. We do not have to let the culture go as it is, we do not have to pay for those movies, we can teach the Gospel, we can support our Bishops, yet a great many lay Catholics simply sit back and whine and complain.
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cathgal
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Oh c’mon, you can’t say I have a harsh altitude toward bishops. I’m only saying exactly what it is and it’s not harsh. How do I twist or sugarcoat something like this. Sometime being straightforward is better. As for being a better laity, I do what I can, like speaking out against this review…how’s that!cathgal,
So, let’s say your harsh attitude towards the Bishops is well placed. What are YOU going to do to help make this a better culture? Stop blaming others and do something productive. No insult intended, it is just that I see an awful lot of attacks on the Bishops and NO personal responsibility being taken by lay Catholics.
We need to evangelize those around us and our families and our friends. How many people here actually do that? It is every Catholic’s duty to help the culture, not just the clergy. Frankly, the Bishops are in a poor place right now to help in these matters, their moral authority has been trashed by the abuse scandal. We MUST help. Send the Bishops letters, tell other people to do the same, tell other people about the sins depicted in that movie, teach the Gospel to anyone you can…grab the culture and try to change it and cease blaming others for a job WE are supposed to be doing.
(submitted in love…so please take no offense)
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manualman
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Part of the problem may be that the bishops have a hard time finding solid catholics, rooted in their faith, convinced of the truths of catholicism, educated and well spoken and EVEN TEMPERED enough to do reviews on matters like this.
Lord knows none of US meets all these criteria (see above posts).
I didn’t see the name of the reviewer. Was it there? I usually like Barb Nicolosi and Steven Greydonis (sp?). Though the former tends to be overly harsh sometimes (totally disagreed with her Star Wars III Analysis).
Lord knows none of US meets all these criteria (see above posts).
I didn’t see the name of the reviewer. Was it there? I usually like Barb Nicolosi and Steven Greydonis (sp?). Though the former tends to be overly harsh sometimes (totally disagreed with her Star Wars III Analysis).
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TPJCatholic
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cathgal,
I am not judging your life, I don’t even know you.
I am simply saying that attacking Bishops about a movie review is just nonsense–imo. Do we really need to have the USCCB tell us the movie is bad for us to know it is bad?
I have no clue what you do for the Church, it is none of my business. I will only say that any awful lot of people spend time complaing, whining and attacking…but they spend little or no time DOING something to help the culture. We lay Catholics let this culture get to where it is, and yes the Bishops helped too…we are in this together and when we attack our own all we do is make satan smile. imo.
I am not judging your life, I don’t even know you.
I am simply saying that attacking Bishops about a movie review is just nonsense–imo. Do we really need to have the USCCB tell us the movie is bad for us to know it is bad?
I have no clue what you do for the Church, it is none of my business. I will only say that any awful lot of people spend time complaing, whining and attacking…but they spend little or no time DOING something to help the culture. We lay Catholics let this culture get to where it is, and yes the Bishops helped too…we are in this together and when we attack our own all we do is make satan smile. imo.
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TPJCatholic
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manualman,
You might be on to something with your post. Yet, I also think that Bishops rely on Catholics to be Catholics. There is a small percentage of people who are truly trying to live authentic Catholic lives. Bishops are faced with thousands of issues, movies are just one more thing to think about in a very sick culture. We might want to think about supporting our leaders more, and complaing less, and actually doing something to help.
You might be on to something with your post. Yet, I also think that Bishops rely on Catholics to be Catholics. There is a small percentage of people who are truly trying to live authentic Catholic lives. Bishops are faced with thousands of issues, movies are just one more thing to think about in a very sick culture. We might want to think about supporting our leaders more, and complaing less, and actually doing something to help.
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Libero
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I think that is a bit of an overstatement, besides, this is a film critics view, not that of the Bishops themselves - do they have to check all the films?
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cathgal
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Oh get real. You think every single Catholics out there know what movie is bad or good. Wait 'til DaVinci comes out. ‘We’ are just some who knows what’s good and bad. Our criticizing this gay cowboys movie might change some Catholic folks who come across this forum and who otherwise might watch it cuz of USCCB review. That’s what this Catholic forum is all about. To hear what’s going on in the world where Catholics are concerned. You never know what the visitors can glimpse from these forum.cathgal,
I am not judging your life, I don’t even know you.
I am simply saying that attacking Bishops about a movie review is just nonsense–imo. Do we really need to have the USCCB tell us the movie is bad for us to know it is bad?
I have no clue what you do for the Church, it is none of my business. I will only say that any awful lot of people spend time complaing, whining and attacking…but they spend little or no time DOING something to help the culture. We lay Catholics let this culture get to where it is, and yes the Bishops helped too…we are in this together and when we attack our own all we do is make satan smile. imo.
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oat_soda
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no doubt our bishops are under attack by a hostile culture and that they need our prayers. but they are supposed to be sheppards and not the blind leading the blind. as they say, to whom much is given, much will be demanded.
they choose to be bishops, it’s their responsibility to protect the faith and hand it on faithfully. if they can’t manage that, what good are they? they are doing more harm then good.
Jesus didn’t set up a church where the sheep watch out for the sheppards, but one where the sheppard lays his life down for the sheep.
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TPJCatholic
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Cathgal,
I agree with nearly everything in your last post. I have no issue with people taking the movie to task. My issue is that attacking the Bishops will not do any good at all, and actually leads to much harm. I doubt the Bishops are even aware of the review. You can argue they should be, yet it is very easy for us to say what Bishops should do from our shoes…
It just seems to be “bash our Bishops” season, and it is a season that has lasted for several years and I am sick of it. The review was not even that far off the mark…it was rated “L” and the text did stgate many problematic facts about the movie.
Perhaps this boils down to approach. You tend to right away assume the Bishops are failing, whereas I give them the benefit of the doubt and try to be more understanding of their position. They are our leaders and they need our prayers and support, not our attacks and complaints. If you disagree with the review, then create a thread telling people what you think…but to drag the Bishops into this is just flat wrong–imo.
I agree with nearly everything in your last post. I have no issue with people taking the movie to task. My issue is that attacking the Bishops will not do any good at all, and actually leads to much harm. I doubt the Bishops are even aware of the review. You can argue they should be, yet it is very easy for us to say what Bishops should do from our shoes…
It just seems to be “bash our Bishops” season, and it is a season that has lasted for several years and I am sick of it. The review was not even that far off the mark…it was rated “L” and the text did stgate many problematic facts about the movie.
Perhaps this boils down to approach. You tend to right away assume the Bishops are failing, whereas I give them the benefit of the doubt and try to be more understanding of their position. They are our leaders and they need our prayers and support, not our attacks and complaints. If you disagree with the review, then create a thread telling people what you think…but to drag the Bishops into this is just flat wrong–imo.
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TPJCatholic
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oat soda,
I would argue that the vast majority of our Bishops have layed down their lives to serve Christ and that fact is not negated because you disagree with a review on their website that they did not even write.
Are there some Bishops that are letting us down, yes of course there are. Yet, I would also argue that the Bishops are trying to be Sheperds to a flock that has turned completely away from the Church and wants nothing to do with them and or the real teachings of the faith. On a different thread Archbishop Burke is being attacked by some people just because he supports Canon Law, there are attacks coming from Catholics to Bishops all the time and I rarely ever see support for them as a body. People want certain liturgical changes, and when the Bishops do not give them everything they want, then they are called failures and are attacked all over again. The current crop of Bishops have to fight against 40 years of lay Catholics and clergy drifting away from the faith, with very few and very much dwindling resources in terms of capital and laborers for the harvest. I think we some incredibly brave Bishops in this country and it is time we support them and stop tearing them down.
You might want to take a breath and think of the tasks they have at hand and then maybe this moderate movie review will not seem so terrible. Give it a try.
I would argue that the vast majority of our Bishops have layed down their lives to serve Christ and that fact is not negated because you disagree with a review on their website that they did not even write.
Are there some Bishops that are letting us down, yes of course there are. Yet, I would also argue that the Bishops are trying to be Sheperds to a flock that has turned completely away from the Church and wants nothing to do with them and or the real teachings of the faith. On a different thread Archbishop Burke is being attacked by some people just because he supports Canon Law, there are attacks coming from Catholics to Bishops all the time and I rarely ever see support for them as a body. People want certain liturgical changes, and when the Bishops do not give them everything they want, then they are called failures and are attacked all over again. The current crop of Bishops have to fight against 40 years of lay Catholics and clergy drifting away from the faith, with very few and very much dwindling resources in terms of capital and laborers for the harvest. I think we some incredibly brave Bishops in this country and it is time we support them and stop tearing them down.
You might want to take a breath and think of the tasks they have at hand and then maybe this moderate movie review will not seem so terrible. Give it a try.
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Maybe I will have to start using this site - they got it right -
Brokeback Mountain -
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Very strong (but often implicit rather than explicit) Romantic, politically correct worldview with very strong pro-homosexual content, including explicit sex scenes that sometimes come across as sadomasochistic, a pro-Marxist or pro-Communist subtext seems evident, with some strong anti-capitalist sentiments against one protagonist’s employer, although that protagonist eventually proves to be a good salesman for his father-in-law’s company, and an explicitly anti-Christian scene where one protagonist mocks people who go to church and who sing hymns about Jesus Christ and an anti-American subtext that seems evident, as well as revisionist history of homosexuality in America in order to serve the movie’s politically correct, Romantic worldview about homosexuality and its sexual perversions, including a Christian wedding scene with the Lord’s Prayer, but it has an ironic tone in context of the rest of the movie; about 58 obscenities (including ,many “f” words), 15 strong profanities, one light profanity, and references to urinating; two extreme scenes of bloody violence include shot of castrated man and man’s head is beaten bloody until he is dead, and scenes of violence where men fight and wrestle in a rough way, and homosexual sodomy scene plays almost like a homosexual rape; very strong sexual content includes depicted homosexual and heterosexual sodomy (with a hint of sadomasochism during one or more homosexual scenes), depicted homosexual kissing and groping, depicted intercourse between married couple, and implied intercourse and almost intercourse with women who are shown topless; upper female nudity in several scenes, full male nudity in bathing scene, rare male nudity, and upper male nudity; alcohol use and drunkenness; smoking; and, lying, men cheat on wives, sexual “repression” is seen as evil, family arguments, divorce, and negative portrayal of heterosexual fathers.
Brokeback Mountain -
-4 Abhorrent
Very strong (but often implicit rather than explicit) Romantic, politically correct worldview with very strong pro-homosexual content, including explicit sex scenes that sometimes come across as sadomasochistic, a pro-Marxist or pro-Communist subtext seems evident, with some strong anti-capitalist sentiments against one protagonist’s employer, although that protagonist eventually proves to be a good salesman for his father-in-law’s company, and an explicitly anti-Christian scene where one protagonist mocks people who go to church and who sing hymns about Jesus Christ and an anti-American subtext that seems evident, as well as revisionist history of homosexuality in America in order to serve the movie’s politically correct, Romantic worldview about homosexuality and its sexual perversions, including a Christian wedding scene with the Lord’s Prayer, but it has an ironic tone in context of the rest of the movie; about 58 obscenities (including ,many “f” words), 15 strong profanities, one light profanity, and references to urinating; two extreme scenes of bloody violence include shot of castrated man and man’s head is beaten bloody until he is dead, and scenes of violence where men fight and wrestle in a rough way, and homosexual sodomy scene plays almost like a homosexual rape; very strong sexual content includes depicted homosexual and heterosexual sodomy (with a hint of sadomasochism during one or more homosexual scenes), depicted homosexual kissing and groping, depicted intercourse between married couple, and implied intercourse and almost intercourse with women who are shown topless; upper female nudity in several scenes, full male nudity in bathing scene, rare male nudity, and upper male nudity; alcohol use and drunkenness; smoking; and, lying, men cheat on wives, sexual “repression” is seen as evil, family arguments, divorce, and negative portrayal of heterosexual fathers.
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buffalo
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Families depend on them getting this movie site right. If we cannot trust the Bishops site who can we trust?oat soda,
I would argue that the vast majority of our Bishops have layed down their lives to serve Christ and that fact is not negated because you disagree with a review on their website that they did not even write.
Are there some Bishops that are letting us down, yes of course there are. Yet, I would also argue that the Bishops are trying to be Sheperds to a flock that has turned completely away from the Church and wants nothing to do with them and or the real teachings of the faith. On a different thread Archbishop Burke is being attacked by some people just because he supports Canon Law, there are attacks coming from Catholics to Bishops all the time and I rarely ever see support for them as a body. People want certain liturgical changes, and when the Bishops do not give them everything they want, then they are called failures and are attacked all over again. The current crop of Bishops have to fight against 40 years of lay Catholics and clergy drifting away from the faith, with very few and very much dwindling resources in terms of capital and laborers for the harvest. I think we some incredibly brave Bishops in this country and it is time we support them and stop tearing them down.
You might want to take a breath and think of the tasks they have at hand and then maybe this moderate movie review will not seem so terrible. Give it a try.
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JKirkLVNV
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You’re kidding. Not an “O?”
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TableServant
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Outside of anything else, I must disagree with this statement. Not that the USCCB should not be in the business of promoting (proclaiming) the Gospel, but I would argue that providing guidance on items of cultural interest and signifigance, good or bad, is proclaiming the Gospel.
We might disagree with the way that they do it, or what individuals are saying on the organization’s behalf, but this ***is ***their business.
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buffalo
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Special Report from Straightalkradio.com
*‘Brokeback Mountain’is based on a (Caution! Graphic material in the link) short story by Annie Proulx. Nominated for seven Golden Globe awards on Tuesday – including Best Motion Picture – America needs to wake up to the destructive message ‘Brokeback’ **sends to its audiences. There is an agenda behind this movie: to market and normalize homosexuality to Brokeback’s audiences. Homosexuals are being encouraged to take their heterosexual friends to see this – so they can get a “new, compassionate look” at the “love” homosexuals really share. Some of the pornographic and explicit sex in Proulx’s short story is clearly implied in the movie.
To listen to Monday’s special edition of Straight Talk Radio on ‘Beware of Brokeback Mountain,’ click on one of the following links to stream the broadcast:
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*‘Brokeback Mountain’is based on a (Caution! Graphic material in the link) short story by Annie Proulx. Nominated for seven Golden Globe awards on Tuesday – including Best Motion Picture – America needs to wake up to the destructive message ‘Brokeback’ **sends to its audiences. There is an agenda behind this movie: to market and normalize homosexuality to Brokeback’s audiences. Homosexuals are being encouraged to take their heterosexual friends to see this – so they can get a “new, compassionate look” at the “love” homosexuals really share. Some of the pornographic and explicit sex in Proulx’s short story is clearly implied in the movie.
To listen to Monday’s special edition of Straight Talk Radio on ‘Beware of Brokeback Mountain,’ click on one of the following links to stream the broadcast:
Monday’s Broadcast – Windows Media
Monday’s Broadcast – Real Player
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