Ever hear of John MacArthur? He is a particularly hostile Protestant.

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FromTheCrossroa:
I did not conditionally agree. I said Catholics do pay respect and honor past men and women of God. By definition, the word worship does apply. BUT…By his own conclusion wrongly applied to Catholics, you are worshiping John MacArthur in the very same manner. You obviously adore, respect and pay homage to him here and at church.

Lets compare apples to apples please.

I bet you’ve asked him or one of the pastoral staff to pray for you at some point. That is as far as Catholics go in their communication with saints to include Mary. We do not give worship due God to his faithful servants. We do remember those who came before us and lived the life of Christ. I also bet you have many “men of god” that you worship in this manner as well.

Catholic and Protestant alike believe that the faithful once dead ARE alive in Christ. According to Revelation, saints do have access to the throne of God himself. Its not a bad thing to ask those men and women to offer up our prayer to God, any more than it is to ask your pastor or another member of your church to do the same.

The only difference between us is you think we’re guilty of something we’re not and you also practice the very same kind of worship.
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Your post brings nothing new to the table, but more whine, and there is sufficient whine in the glasses on this table.

You did conditionally agree by offering a different definition of worship than MacArthur offers in his conclusion.

Catholics love to redefine things, as Akin does in his Tiptoe Through the Tulip, and the other prots turned Catholic experts—redefine—while it is true that a tulip by any other name is still a tulip; a tulip redefined is no longer a tulip, but something else, but redefinition of terms is not germane to this topic.

MacArthur’s point of Catholics worshipping Mary is the secondary conclusion. His primary point is that your devotion to Mary is wrong.

But neither is that the topic of this thread.

What I want from any of you is a misrepresentation of fact on MacArthur’s part concerning the Catholic Church.
 
sandusky said:
Your post brings nothing new to the table, but more whine, and there is sufficient whine in the glasses on this table.
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The only whine I see here is one former Catholic who has become bitter, attempting to defend the false conclusions of his protestant pastor. It smells like a very dry merlot to me. 😃
 
sandusky said:
What I want from any of you is a misrepresentation of fact on MacArthur’s part concerning the Catholic Church.
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Here is sneak preview for the curious of just how the epitaph of John MacArthur will read:
The Grace to You ministry’s letterhead has this slogan at the bottom: “The Bible Teaching of John MacArthur.” Benedict XVI is more modest in his claims. His letterhead does not have at the bottom “The Bible Teaching of Benedict XVI” because the Pope is not trying to push his own agenda.
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Grace to You is built around one man. It may have many employees, but when John MacArthur dies, his ministry will die. His flock will scatter, taking with them the silly prejudices he has imbued them with.
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When Benedict XVI dies there will be another pope to succeed him, and another, and another, until the end of time. Each of them will demonstrate to those with open minds and hearts that, yes, the pope does teach the gospel.
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catholic.com/newsletters/kke_050823.asp

Hopefully Mr. MacArthur will concede to some ego deflation now before he checks out so as to yield some eternal mileage.
 
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Mickey:
The only whine I see here is one former Catholic who has become bitter, attempting to defend the false conclusions of his protestant pastor. It smells like a very dry merlot to me.
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That is what Gottle-of-Geer would call a “wildly inaccurate conclusion.”

As I do with every conclusion made about me, and my faith, and my pastor, that are wildly inaccurate, I dismiss them.

Now back to the topic.

Do you have any misrepresentation of fact by MacArthur concerning the Catholic Church to offer?
 
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setter:
Hopefully Mr. MacArthur will concede to some ego deflation now before he checks out so as to yield some eternal mileage.
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I read through the link you provided.

The topic of this thread has nothing do with whether or not the Catholic Church (or anyone from any other Church for that matter), has reached certain conclusions concerning MacArthur.

I understand your personal feelings toward him, but your feelings are not the topic of the thread.

Setter, can you have offer any misrepresentation of fact by John MacArthur concerning the Catholic Church?
 
sandusky said:
Setter, can you have offer any misrepresentation of fact by John MacArthur concerning the Catholic Church?
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You are mising the entire point: John MacArthur is misrepresenting himself as an authority unto himself. Thus, his church dies with him.
 
I think this thread has just about dead-ended.

Except for the ignorant and the most decieved of MacArthur idolators, I think it is beyond dispute that John MacArthur is an anti-Catholic bigot who has made his bread preying on un-catechised and gullible Catholics. His particular misrepresentations of the Catholic Faith are not worth disputing as they are no more than what has been refuted time and time again, in this forum and elsewhere. The only people they fool are himself and rest of the ignorant and the unstable (2 Peter 1:20-21).

We need to pray for them, and work hard so that others, through sin and ignorance, don’t fall into the same trap.

Pray, pray, pray!!!:gopray:
Catechesis, catechesis, catechesis!!!🤓
 
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setter:
You are mising the entire point: John MacArthur is misrepresenting himself as an authority unto himself. Thus, his church dies with him.
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I am not missing anything, setter. I’m paying very close attention to all of this.

I am ignorant, and MacArthur is preying on that.

All you offer is a wildly inaccurate conclusion, about John MacArthur.

Get off the rabbit trails, and come back to the topic.
 
lak611 said:
A fellow named John MacArthur, who has a radio program called “Grace to You” has a particularly anti-Catholic bias. He says that the Mass is anti-Christian on this link: gty.org/resources.php?section=transcripts&aid=231486. He also has numerous links on his website that accuse Catholics of worshipping Mary. What do you think is the best response to this fellow?
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I am a “cradle” Catholic and have never been surprised at the anti-Catholic feeling in Protestant denominations (their radio programs) the press, movies, TV. I have NEVER heard a priest preach against another religion or their beliefs from the pulpit. I have always been careful when in the company of other people who were not Catholics of “pushing” my religion. My response to this fellow is that he has his ideas (which I consider are WRONG) and I have mine.
 
sandusky said:
As I do with every conclusion made about me, and my faith, and my pastor, that are wildly inaccurate, I dismiss them.

Now back to the topic.

Do you have any misrepresentation of fact by MacArthur concerning the Catholic Church to offer?
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You’re right. This conversation is pointless because we agree on the facts. But your pastor’s conclusion as well as your own are incorrect and hypocritical. Thus we pass along some crackers to go with your whine. 😉
 
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Fidelis:
I think this thread has just about dead-ended.
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I agree; none of you can deliver on this final point, namely, that MacArthur has materially misrepresented the Catholic Church.
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Fidelis:
Except for the ignorant and the most decieved of MacArthur idolators, I think it is beyond dispute that John MacArthur is an anti-Catholic bigot who has made his bread preying on un-catechised and gullible Catholics.
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A wildly inaccurate conclusion.
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Fidelis:
His particular misrepresentations of the Catholic Faith are not worth disputing as they are no more than what has been refuted time and time again, in this forum and elsewhere. The only people they fool are himself and rest of the ignorant and the unstable (2 Peter 1:20-21).
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No one has provided any factual misrepresentation made by MacArthur concerning the Catholic Church.

All that is offered is whining because MacArthur, and others criticize you.
 
FromTheCrossroa said:
You’re right. This conversation is pointless because we agree on the facts. But your pastor’s conclusion as well as your own are incorrect and hypocritical. Thus we pass along some crackers to go with your whine. 😉
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Sincere thanks for getting to the point!!! 👍

You may disagree with MacArthur’s conclusions, but his facts are correct.
 
sandusky said:
none of you can deliver on this final point, namely, that MacArthur has materially misrepresented the Catholic Church.
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The final point is pastor MacArthur has misrepresented the Catholic Church with his conclusions–on that we all agree.
sandusky said:
All that is offered is whining because MacArthur, and others criticize you.
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Correction: Catholics are defending themselves against his biased conclusions (of which you support). Persistent accusations of whininig are childish.

Chill out and have a glass of cabernet. 😃
 
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Mickey:
Catholics are defending themselves against his biased conclusions (of which you support).
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The flaw in that statement is the assumption that I arrived at my conclusions by hearing MacArthur (another wildly inaccurate conclusion).

I did not. Though I hold similar views with MacArthur concerning the RCC, my views are mine.
 
sandusky said:
I am not missing anything, setter. I’m paying very close attention to all of this.

I am ignorant, and MacArthur is preying on that.

All you offer is a wildly inaccurate conclusion, about John MacArthur.

Get off the rabbit trails, and come back to the topic.
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In retrospect the truth will be told.
 
sandusky said:
(another wildly inaccurate conclusion).
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Your new favorite catch phrase? 😃
sandusky said:
Though I hold similar views with MacArthur concerning the RCC, my views are mine.
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I’ll take your word for it. However, I said that you support his conclusions. You say you have similar views. I did not say that you arrive at your conclusions by hearing J.M. so please do not put words in my mouth.

Peace
 
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