Every religion in the world is convinced they are right, what sets us apart?

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As above, every religion has a number of proofs that they are correct, each deny every other religion, and each are convinced that they are the one true religion.

How are we any different from the rest of the world religions.

On a side note, if everyone in the world is convinced that their religion is correct, how can anyone go to hell?
 
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Magicsilence:
As above, every religion has a number of proofs that they are correct, each deny every other religion, and each are convinced that they are the one true religion.

How are we any different from the rest of the world religions.

**Most religions (at least those with some age on them) developed in specific cultures. People of a specific region or tribe had their specific deity or deities and norm,practices, teachings. When they ran into a different tribe, they understood that the other tribe had their specific deities etc. If the tribes merged, the ideas would often merge as well. People didn’t always believe that their religion was right for everyone. They had a more tribal understanding of it.

If tribes came to war, the conquered tribe would often have to give up their gods and follow the religion of the conqueror, but still, it was not uncommon for the religions to merge. The idea was that perhaps the gods of the conquered people might have “rule” over that area or region and it would be good to preserve relations with them.

People believed their religion was right, because it worked for them, everyone they knew practiced it. It was one of the things that kept the tribe working together in harmony. It was important to daily survival.

For most of human history, people have not had acess to a cafeteria of religions. Most people had little exposure to other religions, and even fewer has the idea that there was one right religion that everyone needed to believe. Polytheism was the norm, and if there can be more than one god, then it was not all that surprising to find out people of a different land knew of different gods. Religion was not a choice, it was inherent in one’s culture, like language, dress and food.

As people began to interact on a wider scale, and began to mix cultures they came into contact with other belief systems.Monotheistic religions are inherently more intolerant of other faiths. If there is only one god, then all others must be false. If a faith is important to a group, and the group is monotheistic, they cannot tolerate the belief and worship of other gods, and those other gods are a threat to their own god. In order to protect their tribe and it’s belief system (and mind you, at the point in civilization when this was taking place religion was so pervasive as to be indistinguishable from the culture of a tribe itself) it was an actual threat to the survival of a people to allow another belief system to infiltrate.

For monotheists, one cant just adopt another god into the pantheon and get on with things. One must prove, to keep one’s people together, that their one god is the only god.

Even today, polytheists are basically tolerant of other belief systems. They do have a problem with monotheism because, obviously, monotheism by its very definition insults their belief system. Many religions still hold that they have truth for their own participants, but accept that people who serve other gods are not under obligation to their gods.

The idea that “my belief is the only belief” is a monotheistic viewpoint, not a universal viewpoint.

Now because we have such a global community, we are exposed to the ideas of many religions, and because holding the same faith as our neighbors is not critical to our very survival, people explore and change faiths. It is clearly not a “death sentence” to do this in this earthly life. Some faiths teach that to change faiths is a “death sentence” in the afterlife. This helps hold the community together. Teaching that your faith is the only faith and that eternity hangs in the balance helps unite the group against the outside threats posed by the multitude of ideas and beliefs we now come in contact with.

It is a modernized version of “lets win this war and prove our gods are stronger!”.

Religion is a very powerful and effective cultural tool. It can provide a much needed “tribe” in a society where, though surrounded by people, the individual often feels isolated.
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On a side note, if everyone in the world is convinced that their religion is correct, how can anyone go to hell?

**Again, not everyone believes their religion is the correct one for everyone. A great many religions don’t worry over what other faiths believe unless those beliefs begin to infringe on their rights and freedoms.

Most religions believe you are only bound by the teachings of your own faith.**
cheddar
 
We have the Sacred Tradition handed down from the Apostles which they don’t believe.
 
The OP’s question has many flawed assumptions in it.
  1. Lots of people believe that no religions are correct.
  2. Lots of people believe in a religion, but think that other religions can be right too.
  3. Lots of people believe their religion is right, and that all other religions are not at the same level, but they aren’t evil or completely wrong.
  4. Lots of people believe that they are right and everyone else should perish if they don’t agree.
So acknowledging that complexity, the difference with the Catholic Church is that it’s true. There is the historical evidence, the evidence from internal consistency, and the spiritual evidence (i.e., Catholicism addresses the spiritual yearnings found in real-life flesh-and-blood men and women).

To decide what is the true religion, look at the claims and look at the evidence. That’s not the whole of it, but many religions fall apart if you approach them with the Truth angle. They want to you to approach them with the “this feels good” angle or the “isn’t this all cool and mystical?” angle.
 
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Magicsilence:
every religion has a number of proofs
On a side note, if everyone in the world is convinced that their religion is correct, how can anyone go to hell?
Well, correct me if I am wrong, but none of the other religions (with the exeption of the Jewish faith, of which the Catholic faith is the fullfilment of) have any proofs. They have theories, but no proofs. The Catholic Church has our Lord rising from the grave after dying (lots of witnesses),and being buried. There were many eye witnesses who saw him living after his death. We have non-biblical sources for this, e.g. Roman documents referring to what had happened in Jerusalem. We have countless miracles, both during Christ’s lifetime continuing up to this very day.There have been legally documented cases of Saints raising the dead throughout history.

There are many Saint whose bodies are completely incorrupt, years and centuries after their death (not preserved, but incorrupt…a big difference. Saints who were buried without a coffin into wet ground being exumed months later without any sign of decay, not even rigor mortis, and their bodies remain incorrupt without any preservative treatments).

There are Eucharistic miracles which continue to be visible even to this day, instances where the consecrated host suddenly became flesh right on the altar, wine turning into blood (blood type AB) and the flesh and blood does not rot or decay.

Many of these miracles are ongoing and if you doubt, you can travel to the various places and see for yourself.

No other religion has any “proof of the pudding”
 
Every religion in the world is convinced they are right, what sets us apart?

We actually are…right, that is.
 
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Catilieth:
Well, correct me if I am wrong, but none of the other religions (with the exeption of the Jewish faith, of which the Catholic faith is the fullfilment of) have any proofs. They have theories, but no proofs. The Catholic Church has our Lord rising from the grave after dying (lots of witnesses),and being buried. There were many eye witnesses who saw him living after his death. We have non-biblical sources for this, e.g. Roman documents referring to what had happened in Jerusalem. We have countless miracles, both during Christ’s lifetime continuing up to this very day.There have been legally documented cases of Saints raising the dead throughout history.

Raising the dead - or raising the unconscious ?​

There are many Saint whose bodies are completely incorrupt, years and centuries after their death (not preserved, but incorrupt…a big difference. Saints who were buried without a coffin into wet ground being exumed months later without any sign of decay, not even rigor mortis, and their bodies remain incorrupt without any preservative treatments).

There are Eucharistic miracles which continue to be visible even to this day, instances where the consecrated host suddenly became flesh right on the altar, wine turning into blood (blood type AB) and the flesh and blood does not rot or decay.

Many of these miracles are ongoing and if you doubt, you can travel to the various places and see for yourself.

No other religion has any “proof of the pudding”

Neither incorruption nor miracles prove anything - even if they are real, such things have still to be connected to God - and only God can make that connection. Apologists can’t. Because those things are phenomena, nothing more - their connection with God is the very thing needing to be shown, so this connection cannot be taken for granted.​

I think that is the basic reason for why the Orthodox are unimpressed by incorrupt bodies. as for “Eucharistic miracles”, they contradict the Church’s teaching about transubstantiation. I for one find them a temptation to disbelief. If something is known by faith to be true - what is the point of “proving” it ? Those without faith will not see a work of God, therefore they will not encouter that work as proof of God. Those with faith, need no proof.

“It is an evil generation that asks for a sign” - the only sign we need, or that was given, was “the sign of Jonah”: the Resurrection of Christ, which is as powerful today to transform lives as it was 1975 years ago. A transformed life, a life wholly ruled by the Spirit of Christ, is worth ten thousand incorrupt bodies.

If miracles have been worked in the CC, that is certainly nothing for which we can take the slightest credit; for the Church cannot boast of something which God has graciously seen fit to do in her midst, because she has, and is, and has done nothing to deserve the kindness of God, miraculous or otherwise. On the contrary: her own creation is a wonder of God’s creative Love. Miracles are so completely the work of God that their presence among Catholics, or their absense among others, means nothing at all. The real “miracle” is the ceaseless and faithful kindness of God in Christ 🙂 ##
 
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Magicsilence:
How are we any different from the rest of the world religions.]

the truths of our religion are revealed by God, in the person of Jesus Christ

[On a side note, if everyone in the world is convinced that their religion is correct, how can anyone go to hell?
I can be convinced that man never landed on the moon, but that does not make me right, either it happened or it didn’t. I can start a new religion that denies the Law of Gravity, but if I jump off the roof I will still suffer the unpleasant consequences of the Law of Gravity. Anyone who does know the Truth, yet willingly and obstinately rejects it, will surely go to hell if they do not repent before or at the moment of death. someone who is ignorant of the truth will not be punished for not knowing truth, but if at the time of death they are confonted with the Truth, they will have to choose, and if they persist in denying the truth, they will be doomed.
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Catilieth:
Well, correct me if I am wrong, but none of the other religions (with the exeption of the Jewish faith, of which the Catholic faith is the fullfilment of) have any proofs.
Other religions often feel they have very adequate proof of the truth of their faith. Hindu saints perform miracles and feats that inspire the faithful. Mystics of various faiths have visions and miraculous healings occur in many religions.

However, it is common for Christians to poo poo any such that occur in other faiths or attribute these occurances to “demons”, because to accept them would cause doubt about the truth.

This is where faith comes in. You believe the evidence and miracles that support your religion, and other people believe the evidence and miracles that support their own. It is a matter of perspective.

People are not idiots, participating in faiths that offer them nothing in return, or endlessly praying to deities that never respond. There is something going on there, but if you automatically dismiss it as myth or the work of the devil, than you will never see it as proof.

cheddar
 
Christ himself provided “proof” and often used miracles to give “proof” to his teachings. For example, when the paralysed man was brought to him and Christ forgave his sins, the people doubted and were scandalized because only God can forgive sins. Christ himself said that he was performing a miracle as a sign, as proof that he what he had said was true. “what is easier, to say your sins are forgiven or to say arise, take up thy bed and walk? But that you may know that the Son of man hath the power on earth to forgive sins (he said to the sick man): I say to thee: arise, Take up thy bed and go into thy house.”

“If something is known by faith to be true - what is the point of “proving” it ?” because many people are tempted in their faith (“Lord, I believe, help my unbelief”) and in his mercy he reassures us with miracles.

As far as connections…a holy man prays over a dead person and asks God to let that dead person live and that person is given life… the connection is as obvious and if I had put a knife into that persons chest and then they died. God is not the only one able to make connections!

But the question was about proofs…the CC has them. Where are the proofs of the other religions?

If miracles have so little meaning, then God has wasted an awful lot of time and effort over the ages.
 
I would recommend reading the first 5 pages of The Life of Christ by Fulton J. Sheen. He explains exactly what sets Jesus Christ apart from other prophets and why our Church is the one true Church. Also, believing another religion is wrong should not be automatically assumed to be intolerance. That’s a very intolerant assumption to make.
 
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Magicsilence:
How are we any different from the rest of the world religions.
I think good ol’ Catholic feeling of unworthiness sets us apart from the few Protestant churches I am familiar with.
 
Unworthiness – of what…that the Catholic Church, the Bride of Christ is unworthy of…???but protestant churches are worthy…

Or are you saying that as persons, Catholics realize that we are unworthy of the great gift of grace/salvation, but protestants do think they are worthy(as in they deserve to be saved)?

I don’t understand your post.
 
People are not idiots, participating in faiths that offer them nothing in return, or endlessly praying to deities that never respond. There is something going on there, but if you automatically dismiss it as myth or the work of the devil, than you will never see it as proof.
I only have to look at how many smokers there are in the world to realise that people are, in fact, idiots.
 
Who besides Christians–Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox–Who else’s religion has the Empty Tomb??
Zero. Zilch. Nada.
Now, we who follow Christ can all disagree on a bunch of things, but this one thing that we have in common sets us off from all the other religions in the world, because we serve a living Saviour.
 
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Magicsilence:
As above, every religion has a number of proofs that they are correct, each deny every other religion, and each are convinced that they are the one true religion.

How are we any different from the rest of the world religions.

On a side note, if everyone in the world is convinced that their religion is correct, how can anyone go to hell?
Religion is religion and is typically not faith. Observing the law, doctrines, dogmas, means very little without faith. The Spirit of Truth has given every man the law in his heart, and in his head. No ritual or religion can make a man righteous. God himself is the only judge and authority on this.

There would be no divisions if people put less emphasis on observing law, and more emphasis on living in accordance with our New Covenant. Do you believe because of words, things you’ve been taught, and suppose that it’s good to blindly believe in them? If so, you are without faith. Faith is knowing without question that God is with you. Any religion that claims to be the one true Church is guilty of heresy. The body of Christ is the only one true Church.
 
Thomas More:
The OP’s question has many flawed assumptions in it.
  1. Lots of people believe that no religions are correct.
  2. Lots of people believe in a religion, but think that other religions can be right too.
  3. Lots of people believe their religion is right, and that all other religions are not at the same level, but they aren’t evil or completely wrong.
  4. Lots of people believe that they are right and everyone else should perish if they don’t agree.
So acknowledging that complexity, the difference with the Catholic Church is that it’s true. There is the historical evidence, the evidence from internal consistency, and the spiritual evidence (i.e., Catholicism addresses the spiritual yearnings found in real-life flesh-and-blood men and women).

To decide what is the true religion, look at the claims and look at the evidence. That’s not the whole of it, but many religions fall apart if you approach them with the Truth angle. They want to you to approach them with the “this feels good” angle or the “isn’t this all cool and mystical?” angle.
In simple terms, your #3 is the position of the Church towards the other great religions of the world. They contain PART of the truth and their followers do many good works, the Catholic Church contains the fulness of truth.

The key difference is that the Church is the only institution founded by God rather than men. No other institution even claims this. There are many paths to the top of the mountain. But only one path built from the top down. And this one is surely the surest way to get to the top.
 
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Petergee:
The key difference is that the Church is the only institution founded by God rather than men. No other institution even claims this. There are many paths to the top of the mountain. But only one path built from the top down. And this one is surely the surest way to get to the top.
I don’t mean to seem argumentative here by any means, and I know this is a Catholic forum, but assuming that you mean the Catholic Church in this statement, isn’t that a bit of a pretentious claim?

Christ defined the Church as a marriage between him and his people. We are all members of his body. So am I to believe the Catholics or Jesus Christ regarding this matter? I’m sorry, but I’m just not following this logic.

In my mind, no servant is greater than his master, so what really sets aside the Catholics or makes them anything but a man made institution? Is not believing yourself and other members of the same faith above Christ’s other servants, prideful and arrogant? If we all truly trusted and believed in the same God would there be any divisions? Are not divisions caused by doubts and putting too much trust in the world and man?

As I mentioned earlier, I’m not attacking Catholics here, nor am I trying to be argumentative. I have my own beliefs and they work for me and always have. I’m just baffled by this religion. I was once a devout Catholic myself, and was taught many of the same things, but a lot of these things defied everything I’d known of God since I was a child.

I guess at this point what I find most confusing is we all share the same Spirit. How can the Spirit tell you that a religious organization is the ultimate authority on God, and not tell me the same thing?
 
Ok guys, i think you missed the point of my original post.

If i say proof, you shout “incorruptible bodies, eucharist miracles” etc…

But so does every other religion.

Mohammed was “visited” by an angel of the Lord.

Joseph smith was “in contact” with Christ Himself, etc…

Every other religion (well, nearly all), have examples of miracles which point to their divine origin.

The Orthodox Church has the miracle of the Holy Fire.

We have apparitions of the blessed virgin.

Protestants have amazing stories of healing, talking in tongues.

Hindus have statues drinking milk.

Muslims have fruit bearing the name of allah.

YES, you can dismiss them, but they can just as easily dismiss OUR miracles, our proofs of faith.

You guys say things like “apostolic tradition”, " look for Truth and you will find it in the Catholic Church". I am in no disagreement, but what is lacking is a uniqueness.

The orthodox church claims apostolic tradition. The Quran is supposed to have been perfectly transmitted by word of mouth since Mohammed Himself. The Jews have multiple reasons why Jesus wasnt the messiah.

Every religion is in conflict with others (except maybe, some which promote the different paths to the same destination idea).

So, to an atheist, what sets us apart.

In Christ.

Andre.

p.s the reason for this thread is an atheist friend who will take a lot of convincing, I am attempting to pose all questions he will post in an effort to show Him the Truth. I cant do it by myself.
 
The point I was trying to make is nothing sets the Catholics apart. If you want to convince your friend that God exists, you’ll either have to help him discover this within himself or point out the flaws in his beliefs. Without question our origin is unknown by physical explanations only. Evolution is flawed, because we have no common ancestor with homo erectus. Neandarthal man co-existed with us upon our emergence into this world, and homo erectus was long dead. While evolution might explain scientifically how other things came to be, it certainly doesn’t explain homo sapiens emergence here. That really only leaves two options:
  1. We’re native to another planet.
  2. We’re the result of creationism.
While there is no supporting evidence to the first point, from a scientific perspective alone it can’t be entirely discarded, however there is another hole in the theory of evolution. Organic material does not come from inorganic material. While this might be possible in the movies such as Frankenstein, that’s just not real life.

So say a big bang happened one day. Where was it possible to sustain life prior to this bang? Most atheists are atheists because they believe in what is tangible to them. Common sense tells us that we are not the result of random, infinite, freak occurences of nature. It’s not only that it’s unlikely, but it’s just plain out impossible. We cannot even make life on a single cellular level with all the technology that we have from inorganic material.

Satan may have fooled us in the Garden of Eden by opening our eyes, but even if we only believe what we see, it doesn’t take a genius to figure out that our existence apart from God does not make sense. Just try not to insult your friend’s intelligence too much. =/
 
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