Evidence against Hydroxychloroquine

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LeafByNiggle said:
What makes you think the marriage between Fauci and Grady was kept a secret from the NIH?
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You are missing the point. The point is this: you and I are two of 330m employers of federal government employees. Federal government employees work for us, not we for them. Since these two are both involved at a high level in making policy for the entire country, all 330m of us, we are entitled to know if there exist possible conflicts of interest that could interfere with how they do that. It’s not that they hid it from the NIH, I don’t think they did though you believed that was my focus, but it is that they hid it from us. Lot of this conflict of interest going on in the ranks of elected officials as we all know, but somehow you do not think that applies to the civil service as well?
LeafByNiggle said:
One guy’s opinion, even if he is the editor in chief of the Lacet is only midly interesting to me. Certainly not enough for me to bother watching a video of him.
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Fair enough. I only brought it up to show an example of how Big Pharma continues to throw its weight around. If you don’t want to listen to the video, fine. I’m just saying people ought to follow the money and see the corporate cronyism for what it is. You may not agree about the extent of corporate cronyism in the health care industry, but you ought to realize there is at least a strong perception of it. Follow the money.
 
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Zzyzx_Road said:
Since these two are both involved at a high level in making policy for the entire country, all 330m of us, we are entitled to know if there exist possible conflicts of interest that could interfere with how they do that. It’s not that they hid it from the NIH, I don’t think they did though you believed that was my focus, but it is that they hid it from us.
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How did they “hide it from us”? By failing to take out a full-page ad in the New York Times announcing their marriage? This is getting ridiculouser and ridiculouser!
 
LeafByNiggle said:
How did they “hide it from us”? By failing to take out a full-page ad in the New York Times announcing their marriage? This is getting ridiculouser and ridiculouser!
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So conflicts of interest cannot possibly exist, they are all nothingburgers.

Got it. Big Pharma uber alles.
 
sloancaprice said:
Unless you’re running for President of the United States. In that case, it is okay to hide any conflicts of interest from the voters.
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They all have them. Yes even your favorite politicians have them. Yes even the man you’re going to vote for to replace Trump has them.

We’re the people for whom they work, but looks like the whole lot of them forgot that. A pox on all their houses.
 
maryjk said:
Off label use is common, and perfectly acceptable if discussed with the patient.
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Yes and no. Insurers are not keen on off label use because it doesn’t fit the “evidence based medicine” formulas on their computer programs. From what I am told, that’s getting more difficult with time. Since insurance companies also administer Medicare and Medicaid, the same programs are used for those.
 
sloancaprice said:
It’s a shame that we had these silly traditions of presidential candidates releasing tax forms that we’ve gotten rid of so it’s harder to find out what those conflicts are.
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I think there’s no point in it anymore. Hillary Clinton’s foundation accepts $150 million from Russian sources and approves the sale of 20% of our uranium to a Russian controlled company, and nobody cares. Joe Biden’s son gets a multimillion dollar deal in Ukraine with a corrupt company and knows nothing about its business, and Biden holds a billion dollars over Ukraine’s head, and nobody cares. Biden takes his son on Air Force Two to a negotiating session with China and his son comes back with $1.5 billion investment in a private investment firm in which he has a share but knows nothing. And nobody cares.

When clear conflicts are known and nobody cares, what’s the point in even thinking about them?
 
Hillary had to sign off on the Russia deal and got paid, big.

Hunter Biden is a long way from being a paragon of virtue one would hire to “straighten out” a company whose CEO is crooked too. He got paid big too.

If China got a good deal form the U.S. because of Ivanka or if Qatar got some favor from the U.S. government, go ahead and share it.

As I said, none of it matters anymore anyway. Nobody actually expects honesty from politicians anymore except for Trump of course, and if he has done anything crooked in office, the media has missed it because they keep just making things up. Investigative journalism is as dead as a hammer.
 
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sloancaprice said:
It seems more like the deal was signed off beneath her. The US has less than 2% of the world’s reserves of uranium, so I doubt anyone saw this as a very big deal.
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It’s protection has always been a national priority precisely because we have so little.

As secretary of state, Clinton did serve on a government board that ultimately approved a transfer of the uranium. She wasn’t the only ‘approver’, but she did approve it.

Stop carrying water for HRC, and stick with the facts.
 
If they knew for sure that it doesn’t work they would have stopped the research trials too. Since they are still going on, I guess they still don’t know.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
they would have stopped the research trials too
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www.recoverytrial.net
‘We have concluded that there is no beneficial effect of hydroxychloroquine in patients hospitalised with COVID-19. We have therefore decided to stop enrolling participants to the hydroxychloroquine arm of the RECOVERY Trial with immediate effect. We are now releasing the preliminary results as they have important implications for patient care and public health.
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But somehow people keep getting fooled by the AAPS:
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Hydroxychloroquine Has about 90 Percent Chance of Helping COVID-19 Patients World News
Game over! Hydroxychloroquine Has about 90 Percent Chance of Helping COVID-19 Patients In a letter to Gov. Doug Ducey of Arizona, the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) presents a frequently updated table of studies that report results of treating COVID-19 with the anti-malaria drugs chloroquine (CQ) and hydroxychloroquine (HCQ, Plaquenil®). To date, the total number of reported patients treated with HCQ, with or without zinc and the widely used antibiotic azithromycin, …
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Victoria33 said:
I believe another suit was brought up this week.

So, I don’t take that, that people are being fooled.
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I mean, the studies are in, and the drug doesn’t work, so the FDA rescinded the permission. You can sue for whatever you want, but it doesn’t mean the suit has any merit. The fooling is not the existence of the lawsuit, the fooling is that people think real doctors are objecting based on some real medical knowledge. AAPS doesn’t represent real medical knowledge, they think vaccines cause autism.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/new...8?cid=h3_referral_inarticlelinks_24082018_cna
 
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“Solidarity” clinical trial for COVID-19 treatments

“Solidarity” clinical trial for COVID-19 treatments
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On 17 June 2020, WHO announced that the hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) arm of the Solidarity Trial to find an effective COVID-19 treatment was being stopped.

The trial’s Executive Group and principal investigators made the decision based on evidence from the Solidarity trial, UK’s Recovery trial and a Cochrane review of other evidence on hydroxychloroquine.

Data from Solidarity (including the French Discovery trial data) and the recently announced results from the UK’s Recovery trial both showed that hydroxychloroquine does not result in the reduction of mortality of hospitalised COVID-19 patients, when compared with standard of care.
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JapaneseKappa said:
that hydroxychloroquine does not result in the reduction of mortality of hospitalised COVID-19 patients, when compared with standard of care.
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Cherry picking your argument/study, sad.

Proponents have never said it was effective in severe cases that require hospitalizing. Use it earlier in the disease cycle (with zinc) and prevent hospitalization. Study results lean positive in this application, though nothing profound.
 
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