Evidence against Hydroxychloroquine

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UK Follows Trump's Lead, 10k Healthworkers to Trial Hydroxychloroquine

Britain's National Health Service is following Donald Trump's lead on experimenting with hydroxychloroquine as a coronavirus preventative.
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The state-run, socialised healthcare provider will be giving hydroxychloroquine to as many as 10,000 health workers at at least 20 hospitals as part of a clinical trial led by the Mahidol Oxford Tropical Medicine Research Unit (Moru), to confirm anecdotal evidence that it can prevent people from catching the Chinese virus.

The announcement may give satisfaction to President Trump, who was slammed by left-liberal politicians and commentators when he revealed that he was taking hydroxychloroquine as a possible preventative.

The American leader told reporters on Monday that they would “be surprised at how many people are taking [hydroxychloroquine], especially the frontline workers, before you catch it,” before revealing that he is taking the drug himself.
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YooHyuk said:
FINALLY! Amy Klobuchar Admits Miracle Drug Hydroxychloroquine Saved Her Husband’s Life
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She most certainly did not say that! All she said was “I believe my husband did briefly take that drug, or something like it. I would have to ask the doctors. I wasn’t there.”

This is most definitely not an admission that is saved anyone’s life. The video, by the way was published by a channel called “Dummie Funnies”. That should tell you all you need to know about the reliability of the source. The Gateway Pundit, never known for vetting information as long as it tells the right-wing narrative, just passed only this YouTube rubbish as if it were news. For shame!
 
Selling it as a magic bullet before approval will always be incompetnt
 
YooHyuk said:
UK Follows Trump’s Lead, 10k Healthworkers to Trial Hydroxychloroquine
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Of course there are trials for this drug. It might turn out to be effective. The scientific way to find out is to try it in a controlled trial. There are trials going on in the US to - on HCQ, Remdesivir, and others. They will not have results for weeks if not months.
 
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Michigan Dem Rep. Karen Whitsett Praises Hydroxychloroquine, Trump

A Democrat state rep. from Detroit has given credit to hydroxychloroquine and Trump for saving her life as she battled the deadly coronavirus.
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Michigan state Rep. Karen Whitsett, who recently tested positive for COVID-19, said she began taking hydroxychloroquine once her doctor prescribed it to her on March 31 after she and her husband sought treatment on March 18 for an array of symptoms.

Whitsett said she experienced shortness of breath, swollen lymph nodes, and somewhat of a sinus infection. According to Whitsett, “It was less than two hours” when she started to feel relief.

The representative also said she was familiar with “the wonders” of hydroxychloroquine after an earlier battle with Lyme disease, but claims she would not have thought to ask for it if President Trump had not touted its benefits as a possible coronavirus treatment.

“It has a lot to do with the president … bringing it up,” Whitsett said. “He is the only person who has the power to make it a priority.”
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YooHyuk said:
Whitsett praises Hydroxchloroquine
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Do you think that just because Rep. Whitsett is a Democrat, that her medical opinion is worth anything at all? All she knows is they got better. So do most people, even without any drugs at all. There is no evidence that HCQ was responsible, regardless of what she says.
 
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Chloroquine Known as Effective Against Coronavirus Since 2005

Anti-malarial drug chloroquine is effective as a prophylactic and treatment for coronavirus and the medical establishment has known since...
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Yesterday, I reported the existence of three studies, all claiming that chloroquine phosphate had proved effective in treating the COVID-19.

This has since been confirmed by a more recent open-label non-randomised clinical trial in France by Didier Raoult M.D/Ph.D et al, completed just days ago. The sample was small but the results were convincing.

As the summary reports:
100% of patients that received a combination of HCQ and Azithromycin tested negative and were virologically cured within 6 days of treatment.

In addition, recent guidelines from South Korea and China report that hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine are effective antiviral therapeutic treatments for novel coronavirus.
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But the story gets more extraordinary still. It turns out that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has known since at least 2005 that chloroquine is effective against coronaviruses.

In 2005, Martin J Vincent et al published a study in Virology Journal titled ‘Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread.’
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Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread - Virology Journal

Background Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) is caused by a newly discovered coronavirus (SARS-CoV). No effective prophylactic or post-exposure therapy is currently available. Results We report, however, that chloroquine has strong antiviral effects on SARS-CoV infection of primate cells...
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Maximus1 said:
Trump is the King and Duke
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Apparently. As a Canadian, it wouldn’t matter who the politician / party was…if any politician, whether I voted for him or not, was promoting a particular drug, I wouldn’t give a rat’s a** unless my doctor also recommended it. The fact that an unproven drug has become a major political rallying point, with Trump defenders absolutely determined to “prove” Trump is right about (medicine of all things???) is just incomprehensible to me as an outsider. If our current Liberal Prime Minister was promoting a drug, my answer would be HE’S NOT A DOCTOR. If our former Conservative Primer Minister was promoting a drug, my answer would be HE’S NOT A DOCTOR. If you’re a Republican, this is a miracle drug…if you’re a Democrat, its unproven and dangerous…? Just weird. The fact that Trump recently boasted that he’s personally taking this drug is just a bizarre anecdote and nothing more.

Americans seem to have a devotion to their leaders that I simply can’t relate to. Our prime ministers are civil servants…that’s it…I never have and never will completely agree with any of our leaders, regardless of party.
 
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The cult personality and following is unique to Trump. We were almost rational before Trump.
You can debate this drug in relation to Covid exhaustively and never make a worthwhile point. You just entrench an alternate reality.
My position if I self examine, is fueled by anxiety. A manufactured reality where real issues of life, death, and a potential Depression, are set in motion over a device. " A magic bullet!"
The foundation of our national plans and future grounded in a " scheme" invented in Trump’s limited mind. It is unsettling.
 
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I don’t get it.

I don’t recall any leader endorsing a specific medicine. Especially one that hasn’t been tested as proven effective for use in a specific illness.

I don’t recall segments on news channels devoted to endorsing a specific unproven drug.

It’s just very weird to me.
 
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People should not be promoting an untested drug
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Maybe not the peer reviewed clinical tests you demand. Maybe not the deaths you wanted to see from its use. But it’s been tested in several Covid-19 environments. It has an extensive prior history of clinical uses for other purposes beginning with malaria and including lupus and rheumatoid arthritis which has generated huge amounts of data regarding contraindications and side effects. No one says do this without a doctor.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
Of course there are trials for this drug. It might turn out to be effective. The scientific way to find out is to try it in a controlled trial. There are trials going on in the US to - on HCQ, Remdesivir, and others. They will not have results for weeks if not months.
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So in the meantime, it should be banned from all Covid-19 treatment and those governors who actually did that should be praised to high heaven for removing the HCQ scourge from our midst.

If that’s not what you’re saying, then you consider your point about the lack of clinical results clearly made. We more than get it about clinical results, we’re not as stupid as you apparently think we are.
 
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LeafByNiggle:
Of course there are trials for this drug. It might turn out to be effective. The scientific way to find out is to try it in a controlled trial. There are trials going on in the US to - on HCQ, Remdesivir, and others. They will not have results for weeks if not months.
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So in the meantime, it should be banned from all Covid-19 treatment and those governors who actually did that should be praised to high heaven for removing the HCQ scourge from our midst.
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Very poor straw man argument. You can do better than that, can’t you?
If that’s not what you’re saying, then you consider your point about the lack of clinical results clearly made. We more than get it about clinical results, we’re not as stupid as you apparently think we are.
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The article cited gave the false impression that frontline workers think it works. They are smarter than that.
 
Zzyzx_Road said:
So in the meantime, it should be banned from all Covid-19 treatment and those governors who actually did that should be praised to high heaven for removing the HCQ scourge from our midst.
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That isn’t how medicine works.

There are numerous drugs that are approved for one thing but used “off label” for another. I’ve been on many of them. Did you know that there is a reflux drug that increases mother’s milk? Or a an asthma drug that helps to control pre term labor? Or a cancer drug that treats lupus? Off label use is common, and perfectly acceptable if discussed with the patient.

The governor shouldn’t have any say in how a doctor treats a patient. Any more than you would want the president to have a say in how your doctor treats you.
 
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