Evidence against Hydroxychloroquine

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You might be right.
On the other hand that " doctor" in NYC wrote that letter about Trump’s world record health while Trump waited for it in the limo downstairs. Lol.
Why he mentions it at all, politically, is the thing most clear.
 
That as to his personal motives, I don’t know, just that I tend to believe he is really taking it and that he is being monitored. Who is going to risk it with the President of the USA? Too complicated.Probably a dose adapted to him
I was guessing anyway, Maximus.
Following the Covid issues.
 
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graciew said:
That as to his personal motives, I don’t know, just that I tend to believe he is really taking it and that he is being monitored. Who is going to risk it with the President of the USA? Too complicated.Probably a dose adapted to him
I was guessing anyway, Maximus.
Following the Covid issues.
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Considering the actions that staffers have had to take to prevent Trump from doing something crazy, maybe his personal physician is giving him a placebo and telling him it is Hydroxychloroquine.
 
No idea, Leaf.
If I have to guess… I wouldn’t deceive a President…
 
It isn’t his personal physician but a physician from the White House according to the article and it said “ preventive”.
A pill made for him might have the dose asked for , maybe very low.
Why do I tend to believe? Because he said that “ And if it’s not good, I’ll tell you right, I’m not going to get hurt by it"
Those might be the words of the doctors about the dose ,under which he made his decision to take it and doctors to administer it… to the President … There had to be a sort of deal …it is medicine.
Mere speculation on my part, as was Maximus’ question premise.
 
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I think Trump is using the truthfulness that used to be associated with his office, to authenticate this MAGIC BULLET.
TRUMPISM opperates through simple instant gratification that anyone with a 50 IQ or higher can grasp. The guy who cleans lettuce can be smarter than Fauci( as we always suspected)
Trumpism opperates best with Mean Jean Okerland as press secretary
 
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He can be very stubborn also and this might be the case, and the conditions under which it was administered.
I don’t know :woman_shrugging:t3:
 
sallybutler said:
Why are you taking it?
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Because my doctor prescribed it.
sloancaprice said:
I don’t know why Fox News said “This. Will. Kill. You.” I don’t really consider them a reliable news source anyway. So, do you take the drug for a reason?
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I don’t know that any new source said, “This. Will. Kill. You.” But they all seem to indicate that it is an unknown drug or “controversial.” When in reality it has been well studied.

Yes, I take it for a reason.
 
He has been determined to sell his magic bullet despite Whistleblowers and pushback from science.
Politically he needs a magic bullet to March people back into meat plants and whatever.
" HERE, TAKE THIS, YOU WILL BE FINE."
 
I assume you take it because it’s medically appropriate for you to take.

My husband needs thyroid replacement hormone every day or he will die.

If I take it, I could have a heart attack.

I can take aspirin for a headache, I can’t give it to my son for fever.
 
maryjk said:
As I said my doctor prescribed it.

As did Trump’s doctor.
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From what Trump said, it does not seem that his doctor prescribed it on his own. Trump admitted that he asked the doctor if he could take HCQ. It was Trump’s idea. And doctor went along with him and prescribed it. Somehow I don’t think the average person would be able to get their doctor to give them a prescription so easily. Trump is, after all, the President. And unless you want to have your name dragged through the mud like so many others, you will do what he wants. We don’t know what dose he is taking. It might be tiny, so as not be be a risk to his heart.
 
I’ve brought up different drugs to my doctor. And different tests.

It isn’t that unusual.
 
Trump is apparently taking it as a post-exposure prophylactic (PEP). The PEP part may make sense under the circumstances of cases in the White House itself. The sort of measure one might take if exposed to something as Trump likely has been exposed to Covid-19.

To understand the concept of a PEP for us laymen, here is an example of a commonly used PEP: the over-the-counter medication Zicam is intended to be taken as soon as one feels a sore throat coming on. Doesn’t always work for me, but I keep some around.

The controversy here is based on the use of HCQ as a PEP agent.

So the logical question is: is there any precedent for using the HCQ as a PEP agent? It turns out there is. Check this out:


For the benefit of nattering nabobs about clinical trials, here’s a quote from their conclusion (emphasis mine; note: LTCH = Long Term Care Home):
Although there was no adequate control group and the study was conducted at a single center, this is the first study to use PEP with HCQ as an outbreak response strategy against COVID-19 in an LTCH. A total of 92 hospital staff, including physicians and nurses, showed negative PCR results after 14 days of quarantine even though they did not receive PEP. From these results, we could not conclude that PEP is effective for prevention of COVID-19 in close contacts. However, there were differences in the level of risk exposure: patients and careworkers might have had close contact with the index case (high-risk exposure) and most hospital staff were at low-risk exposure. Nonetheless, this study showed that all 189 patients and 22 careworkers who received PEP did not develop COVID-19.

5. Conclusion​

In this study, PEP with HCQ was implemented safely under proper monitoring and no additional patients were diagnosed with COVID-19. Randomized clinical studies are needed to evaluate whether PEP is an effective option for an outbreak response strategy against COVID-19 in LTCHs.
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I would add there isn’t a reference to zinc in this paper so that has to be kept in mind.
 
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maryjk said:
I’ve brought up different drugs to my doctor. And different tests.

It isn’t that unusual.
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Very, very common.

For example, advanced cancer patients asking if there is a clinical trial they can participate in. Not every one of these patients does that, but a fair number do. Sometimes they can get in, other times there isn’t room or they aren’t qualified or it has ended.
 
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From what Trump said, it does not seem that his doctor prescribed it on his own. Trump admitted that he asked the doctor if he could take HCQ. It was Trump’s idea. And doctor went along with him and prescribed it. Somehow I don’t think the average person would be able to get their doctor to give them a prescription so easily. Trump is, after all, the President. And unless you want to have your name dragged through the mud like so many others, you will do what he wants. We don’t know what dose he is taking. It might be tiny, so as not be be a risk to his heart.
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It’s only a heart risk when you overdose, which several studies did intentionally.
Very shifty stuff.
 
With Lupus (there, I said it.) It is very common.

There are pretty much always trials going on. Thankfully, my doctor is involved with many of them, so I am often in front of the line when they come up. But I also research on my own and bring up ideas to him.

Everyone should be involved in their health care. No one should just blindly accept whatever the doctor says.
 
Only that as per the article I read here, serious long-standing newspaper( lanacion.com.ar),his doctor wasn’t the one, but a doctor from the White House.

It says “ Trump dijo que su médico no le recomendó el medicamento, pero lo pidió al médico de la Casa Blanca. ”
Translating myself: Trump said that his doctor didn’t recommend the medicine but that he asked for it to the doctor of the White House.

Without the least animosity, and according to this source .
 
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