Evil Harry Potter

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So, HP celebrates Christmas and Easter. When do they learn about the salvation story of Jesus Christ? I’m intrigued…
 
If I watch a dramatic movie on TV with a murder scene. And the movie is very well made. And it depicts the murder In a very graphic and real way. And they show the knife goinging into the victim’s stomach and the gasping for air and the blood coming out of the mouth. They show the face of the perpetrator with raw hate in his eyes. And my 7 year old son is sitting there watching. Will you be the one to say to him, “it’s only fiction!”, as his spirit becomes defiled with fear and torment? No… He was sold an idea by script writers who love to promote this kind of evil.
 
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I have no idea—we also don’t find out when they learn to read. Presumably, they learn at home.
 
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It is the selling of ideas contrary to the word of.God.
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And that is, as far as I can tell, the main point of disagreement. You obviously don’t accept that the magic depicted in the Harry Potter stories is fundamentally different from occult magic not because it is fiction, but because there is no appeal to infernal powers involved. Those who are arguing against your position generally do. Within the context of the stories it is simply an innate ability of a small number of people, much like being able to throw a baseball at 90+ mph with sufficient accuracy and control to become a pitcher on a professional baseball team. This skill, like all others, requires training and practice to fully develop.
 
Yep I’d forgotten that. I recognised the paganism when I got older…it gave me a bad feeling…actually it was more of a disappointed feeling. I’d forgotten the disdainful scene with the clergy though I can’t remember the detail but yes it made me dislike the books more. Funny how when I was at school it didn’t bother me.
 
Hogwarts is a magical school, not a Catholic school. Magnet schools for art and science don’t teach salvation history either. Hogwarts is like a magnet school for the magically gifted.
 
Perhaps you simply are not well-versed in fiction. I know you are not Catholic, so perhaps that is shaping your world-view of what is acceptable in fiction. Many fictional stories draw heavily on Christian allegory, including Harry Potter. Have you actually read all seven books?
 
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He was sold an idea by script writers who love to promote this kind of evil.
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Depicting something on the screen is NOT the same as promoting it. Was the crucifixion sequence in “The Passion of the Christ” intended to make people want to go out and start nailing people to crosses? Somehow I doubt it very much.
 
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is at best irresponsible by those who say they promote the Christian world view
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Okay, you have again made the (baseless) accusation that those who do not support banning Harry Potter are “irresponsible” Christians.

I’m muting this thread now, as the conversation proves to be quite unproductive.

Banning Harry Potter because of “satanism” 🧐😒. Makes one wonder whether proponents of such a thing are actually capable of differentiating between actual satanism/magic and made up spells. If you are indeed unable to do so, then it’s advisable that you, and you alone, stay away from Harry Potter. But don’t extend the ban to those who understand that the magic of Harry Potter is fictional.
 
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Or control. The kids are going to be magical no matter what.

At Hogwarts they learn to control their magic rather than it happening randomly and without a counterspell. Even if they learned to control it and are able to do a few party tricks from google, if the wrong person found out the witch or wizard could end up being incarcerated, possibly exploited and otherwise abused. Or just shunned for being a freak. Surrounded by other magical folk they are safer.
 
Did that with my six and four year old just the other day. Told them that this is a movie and the person you see, while a real person, is just an actor and he is okay. I proceeded to show them pictures and videos of said actor after the movie to show them he was still alive and well.

I also told them that there is in this world evil people who will do that to other people. So, it does happen in real life. For them the chances of it happening or very low.

See what I did there? I reinforced what is seen in a movie is fake, that what happens in movies is fake and that sometimes in real life that does happen by very bad evil people. That art, in this case a movie, does imitate life.

See, not so hard a thing to do!
 
I grew up in a sect that had blanket bans on a lot of things; disco music (and not for stylistic reasons), a good deal of fiction, specific branches of science, and of course any non-fiction that was at all critical of said sect.

By the time I was nine I was sampling the forbidden fruits, and while I did ultimately dump that particular sect by the time I was sixteen, even at nine I could tell the difference between a fantasy novel and reality, and never felt any compunction to investigate witch craft or the occult in general. By and large, my explorations lead to me to the conclusion that it was all a bunch of hokum. My sole experience with a Ouija board was laughable.
 
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Did that with my six and four year old just the other day. Told them that this is a movie and the person you see, while a real person, is just an actor and he is okay. I proceeded to show them pictures and videos of said actor after the movie to show them he was still alive and well.

I also told them that there is in this world evil people who will do that to other people. So, it does happen in real life. For them the chances of it happening or very low.

See what I did there? I reinforced what is seen in a movie is fake, that what happens in movies is fake and that sometimes in real life that does happen by very bad evil people. That art, in this case a movie, does imitate life.

See, not so hard a thing to do!
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I must’ve been 8 or 9 and saw Alfred Hitchcock’s movie “The Birds”, or at least part of it. It wasn’t intentional, the adults watching didn’t know I was in the room. Those who know the movie know there are some quite violent scenes.

At that age, even without anyone explaining it to me, I knew it was fiction and not reality.

Heck, any child who reads or sees something like “Cinderella” knows there are no such things as fairy godmothers, pumpkins that turn into carriages and back again, or for that matter princes so desperate to get married to charming strangers that they will search literally every house in the kingdom to find them again.
 
Similar material like the beloved Mary Poppins and of course The Wizard of Oz.
 
Wouldn’t that also extend to mythology? There’s a lot on Irish, Germanic, Greek, Roman, and Hindu mythology that would be by this standard completely incompatible with this standard. Shall we abandon research into the mythologies, even of our ancestors?
 
I am part Native American and I do have dream catchers in my home. There is one over both of my children’s beds. They are also in their mom’s home, again above their beds.

They know the story behind them. They know that they are supposed to catch bad dreams. A couple months ago my ex-wife told me that my son woke up with a bad dream and she overheard his older sister who is six tell him call out to Jesus.

Yeah, my kids are alright!
 
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A great deal of what we know about the Celtic mythos comes from Christian sources in the Middle Ages. While the Medieval Christian writers were recording legends a few centuries after the last real practitioners had died, and certainly with some interpolation of Christian ideals (much as earlier pagan Roman historians and ethnographers had interpolated Greco-Roman associations), I hardly think those Christian historians were committing grave sins in doing so.

A good deal of Classical learning was preserved in Rome, and even more in the Eastern Empire, and by the Renaissance it was feeding back into Western Europe. Many Renaissance artists and writers revered Greco-Roman mythology and art as much as Renaissance philosophers were rediscovering much fuller accounts of pre-Christian Greek philosophers, to the point that for a while Europe became positively obsessed with all things Greek.

One of my favorite books is a biography of the life and times of King Alfred of England. The Venerable Bede, when writing up genealogies of the Wessex dynasty, peculiarly enough put Wodin at the top of the line of kings, reflecting a general trend of Medieval historians treating the pagan Germanic and Celtic gods as legendary kings. This may have been to some extent a bit of diplomacy; as you’re converting pagans to Christianity, it’s best to leave some of the fabric of their cultures’ stories intact. Not to mention that in many parts of Europe; Ireland, Wales, Lithuania and among the Slavic tribes, something of the older pagan religions survived in folk religion; meaning at times some degree of paganism remained in a sort of a syncretic relationship with Christianity.
 
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