EVOLUTION: A Catholic Solution?

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I challenge you to show me one syllabus from a Catholic university physics course teaching that nature abhors a vacuum.

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That is one of my favorite Far Sides. I cried when Gary Larson stopped. Ages ago, one of my crazy kids gave me a birthday card with his amoeba cartoon because I kept saying that the amoeba was my favorite animal. I sure hope the amoeba hasn’t evolved.

Blessings,
granny

Humans with humor are worthy of profound respect.
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That is one of my favorite Far Sides. I cried when Gary Larson stopped. Ages ago, one of my crazy kids gave me a birthday card with his amoeba cartoon because I kept saying that the amoeba was my favorite animal. I sure hope the amoeba hasn’t evolved. Blessings,granny
You’re welcome, grannymh. I don’t know now a-sexual evolution works in terms of transmitting mutations. I don’t even know how long amoebae have been around, or how stable their genome is. I’ll have to read up on that, or ask Alec or Orogeny or the Barbarian to post something.

StAnastasia
 
In the 1960s, the Catholic community was fully alive. It was reflected in the TV shows and movies. Most of them. The respect we were taught to have for ourselves and others was made manifest every day. Now we had robberies and murders and all the rest, but the bond between the Church and the community was strong. Stores were closed on Sundays. Nativities were placed in front of City Halls without lawsuits. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.
Peace,Ed
Ed, so that I can understand your argument, are you saying that if we outlaw evolution we will rid society of pornography, homosexuality, prostitution, drugs, cigarettes, lung cancer, no-fault pregnancy, divorce, bad TV sitcoms, and other ills? I’m honestly trying to understand your argument.

StAnastasia
 
Grannymh, there is no contradiction here. People in my parish believe in Christ’s real presence in the Eucharist, and they also discuss the conclusions of science, including discoveries evolutionary biology. It’s a well-educated congregation in a university town.

StAnastasia
StAnastasia, you must be living in a perfect parish. There are a few around which are bursting at the seams every Sunday and have full enrolment in CCD classes every week.
 
Ed, so that I can understand your argument, are you saying that if we outlaw evolution we will rid society of pornography, homosexuality, prostitution, drugs, cigarettes, lung cancer, no-fault pregnancy, divorce, bad TV sitcoms, and other ills? I’m honestly trying to understand your argument.

StAnastasia
Eventually it would reduce it. The apathy of accepting evil and it flourishing has to do with belief in absolute truth or not.

We would become intolerant of evil.
 
Eventually it would reduce it. The apathy of accepting evil and it flourishing has to do with belief in absolute truth or not.

We would become intolerant of evil.
How did evil exist prior to Darwin?

Peace

Tim
 
How did evil exist prior to Darwin?

Peace

Tim
C’mon now. Evil existed since the beginning and has been a constant struggle.

Evolution did not begin with Darwin. You know better than that.

You also know that even believers have trouble with evil because of concupiscence.

The issue is what philosophical target is society aiming at.
 
C’mon now. Evil existed since the beginning and has been a constant struggle.

Evolution did not begin with Darwin. You know better than that.

You also know that even believers have trouble with evil because of concupiscence.

The issue is what philosophical target is society aiming at.
OK, let me rephrase that. You claim that if we outlawed evolution, then eventually we would see the things that St.A. listed be diminished. You are also saying that the reason for that is that evolution keeps us from seeking absolute truth. Am I right about that? If so, am I right in understanding that you reject the concept that there is ANY truth to evolution?

Also, wasn’t absolute truth at least part of what Adam and Eve were looking for when they decided to ignore God’s warnings not to eat of the Tree of Knowledge?

Peace

Tim
 
StAnastasia, you must be living in a perfect parish. There are a few around which are bursting at the seams every Sunday and have full enrolment in CCD classes every week.
Grannymh, no parish is perfect. We are fortunate to have 400 families so that the parish and school are closely integrated, with strong priestly presence in the school (science and religion teachers opened the year by dispelling the notion of conflict between science and religion). Some school families attend their own parishes which don’t have a school associated with them, and it being a university town, university students and not a few adults come to us, some to RCIA. Masses in English and Spanish, but we also sometimes have prayers in Basque, French and German. Sung Mass in Latin this Easter + Mozart’s gorgeous Regina Coeli!

Blessings to you too,
StAnastasia
 
C’mon now. Evil existed since the beginning and has been a constant struggle.

Evolution did not begin with Darwin. You know better than that.

You also know that even believers have trouble with evil because of concupiscence.

The issue is what philosophical target is society aiming at.
And what is the current philosophical target that some segments of society are aiming at? 🤷 Could it be “philosophical” or “theological” religion?🤷 More importantly, what is the “Catholic” answer? 🤷
 
Ed, so that I can understand your argument, are you saying that if we outlaw evolution we will rid society of pornography, homosexuality, prostitution, drugs, cigarettes, lung cancer, no-fault pregnancy, divorce, bad TV sitcoms, and other ills? I’m honestly trying to understand your argument.

StAnastasia
I watched as the Body of Christ was slowly, systematically poisoned. All levels of society were gradually poisoned, including science and the Church.

But let’s focus on science.

Kinsey in the 1950s produces a highly distorted study of human sexuality but it is promoted as fact.

The birth control pill is introduced in 1960. But how do you convince those committed Catholics out there to buy it and use it? In 1968, the Church, seeing the trend toward greater openness regarding sex and seeing the rise of the anti-Establishment and anti-Church Hippies, tells Catholics: here’s what’s going to happen if you use artificial birth control.

But the pharmaceutical industry will lose potentially millions of sales. Soon, all levels of society are permeated by radicals, including colleges, seminaries, and all those places where seeds of doubt needed to be sown, as well as outright lies.

Let’s jump to the present. So many experts are trying to convince people that all sorts of sinful practices are OK. Science is on their side. Unfortunately, because sin is part of the human condition, studies can be paid for and the desired conclusion can be presented as opposed to the facts. The fact that there is a real entity at work in people’s lives, the devil, is discounted as some quaint, old idea. But even here, people argue that we should prefer ourselves and our knowledge over God. And scientists, wittingly and unwittingly, have allied themselves to this cause. Believing, without discernment, that they are in control.

Evolutionism, the philosophy that insists our genetic material raised us to a level of consciousness where we could experience some vague god concept needs to be exposed as a fantasy. The idea that we are just, and only, another animal needs to be exposed as a fantasy. The idea that only science will lead us to all truth needs to be exposed for what it is: an attempt to place scientists in control of human life and human society.

The theory of evolution needs to be understood as the Church understands it. A creative reason established the universe, and this idea should not be considered in some arbitrary, mythic or illogical way. The Intelligent Project that is Creation was done by God. We are not haphazard mistakes. But most leading scientists, even after they leave work for the day, will not agree to that.

And what is the message and work of the Church? To spread the Good News, that God sent His Son to live and then die for us for the remission of sins. The fantasy that sin has been abolished needs to be exposed as well.

Peace,
Ed
 
Eventually it would reduce it. … We would become intolerant of evil.
As were people in the days of Ashurbanipal, Genghis Khan, Pontius Pilate, Alaric, Attila the Hun, Torquemada, Alexander VI, Henry VIII…
 
Hi Granny,

Great questions and insights here.
  1. What happens when the concepts of scientism affects ordinary life? General dictionary definition: The collection of attitudes and practices considered typical of scientists.
    In real life, the Catholic on the street doesn’t greet a friend with – What about those genomes. They sure had a great mutation game plan. Made those alleles disappear right off the strand. So what exactly is it about scientism that is affecting society?
Ok, first of all, we’re using the definition of scientism that is used in the papal document (referenced recently) and more commonly used as a philosophical term. In this sense it means “all of the universe, nature, life and human beings are reduced to what science can study and analyze”. Or in other words, science is the highest, best and probably only means of arriving at true and valid knowledge that humans have.

That is “scientism”. It’s a belief which is widespread. With that, I’m sure you know how that mentality affects society in a very negative way.
  1. Could the recognition that there is something beyond the realm of human sensory experience bring a better balance to ordinary life? If so, I could stop posting that I flat out refuse to be considered in the same category as a rock or a robot.
Yes to the first question. If there was wider recognition that there is something beyond science, then there would be better balance in our life and culture. To your second question, you wouldn’t have to post that truth as much because fewer people would claim that you are merely a product of material and physical elements. But as long as atheistic-evolutionism (related to scientism) is the dominant mode of thought in the scientific establishment, then you need to keep posting that you are not an evolutionary assemblage of matter.
  1. Is the idea that everything must have empirical data in order to be accepted chipping away at the “mysteries” of the Catholic Faith? Does the Eucharist become a what instead of a Who?
Absolutely yes - no question. Even some “Catholic theologians” have fallen into this serious error and have undermined the teaching of the Church.
  1. What I am seeing is that there is a philosophical fallout from scientism which has affected the ordinary Catholic so that attendance at the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass has dropped.
I’ll use one of our favorite Catholic words – BINGO! Yes, you’ve got it exactly right.
Most Catholics believe in the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist. But, it seems to me that this belief is slipping from a total belief in something that is beyond the realm of scientific explanation. There is a maybe it is a symbol or remembrance. This “maybe” leads to well maybe I don’t need to attend the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.
Again – an excellent and important insight. This is crippling the spiritual life in many of our parishes today.
I’m sure most people here have heard this saying: If people truly believed that God was present in the Eucharist, there would be standing room only in every church.
So true.
 
Too many Catholics, over the years, have gradually lost their sensitivity to sin. And too many are passing it on to their children.

Peace,
Ed
 
I’ll use one of our favorite Catholic words – BINGO! Yes, you’ve got it exactly right.
Bingo is sapping the life out of Catholic parishes. That’s why our parish doesn’t allow Bingo.
 
I watched as the Body of Christ was slowly, systematically poisoned. All levels of society were gradually poisoned, including science and the Church.
Ed, what does this sad litany of poisons have to do with evolution?
 
To Namesake,

Guilt, properly understood, is not an overreaction but a recognition that we have violated God’s law. In order to live holy, we need to turn away, repent, and ask God for forgiveness.

The moment we begin to forget or prefer doing things differently, we may begin to say to ourselves, Oh, that’s not so bad. Then, before you know it, another step is taken and then another. Soon, you may have gone so far away from the truth that you begin to accept other bad things more readily.

Another point: value neutral science is the perfect companion to those who want a value neutral culture.

Peace,
Ed
 
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