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buffalo
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China is searching for Zheng He’s Giant Treasure Ships. Let’s see what they turn up.
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I’m saying, rather obviously I thought, that if you make assumptions about an aspect of physics that only a very few people on the planet actually understand, based on the proposal that ‘it’s not logical’, then that assumption has zero value.Freddy:
The universe and all there is has no cause? Is that your claim?
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Freddy
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If there is, tell him someone’s looking for his teapot.buffalo:
Know?Hume:
How do you know this?
I don’t. That’s why I said “reasonably sure”.
I don’t know that there isn’t a life size doll of Patrick Swayze floating in space between here and Mars.
But I’m reasonably sure there isn’t.
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Hume
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Hume:
If there is, tell him someone’s looking for his teapot.buffalo:
Know?Hume:
How do you know this?
I don’t. That’s why I said “reasonably sure”.
I don’t know that there isn’t a life size doll of Patrick Swayze floating in space between here and Mars.
But I’m reasonably sure there isn’t.
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buffalo
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The universe has a cause? yes or no.
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Freddy
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You’re missing the third option. There’s always a third option. And I bet you know what it is.Freddy:
The universe has a cause? yes or no.
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Techno2000
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Microevolution…yes…molecules to Man…no.
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buffalo
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whatistrue
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Speciation is lineage splitting. The rest of the quoted sentence is not part of the definition or a necessary part of the process.
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buffalo
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it is the consequent.
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Techno2000
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Why he couldn’t have other people work on it also ?
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whatistrue
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No, it really isn’t. It is not a zero sum game; it is possible to add without taking away.
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Freddy
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If you go back far enough in Buff’s posts (not on this thread), you’ll find he has now tacked on ‘…for most’ on the end of that claim. He didn’t use to do that. But after it was pointed out that fellow IDers accept speciation and that many links that he posted in an attempt to back up his views did the same (I’ve got a list of them somewhere) and that extant species are obviously not extinct, he has fine tuned his argument.buffalo:
Speciation is lineage splitting. The rest of the quoted sentence is not part of the definition or a necessary part of the process.
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buffalo
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We have always accepted speciation.
Not so. Not all have gone extinct yet, but speciation puts them on that path. We know that most species are extinct.
Fine tuning is a good thing btw.
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buffalo
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A few mutations may have a temporary short term survival benefit, but break the organism in a way that its long term survival diminishes.leading to extinction.
Speciation is the loss of reproductive ability which is a loss of function once had.
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whatistrue
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Are you actually saying that a new species is incapable of reproduction? Words fail me.
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buffalo
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It cannot reproduce wth its siblings/cousins, which we call a new species. (had to fine tune so I am clearer)
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whatistrue
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But that is NOT a loss of function. As a new species it never could reproduce with them. And siblings is not a correct characterization.It cannot reproduce wth its siblings/cousins, which we call a new species. (had to fine tune so I am clearer)
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buffalo
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Let;s examine. Yesterday I could reproduce with another human, but today I cannot due to genetic mutations. That is a loss of a function once had. If you are hanging on the word function, switch to ability.
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whatistrue
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It makes more sense now. You have an incorrect idea of how evolution in general, and speciation in particular, work. You as an individual do not gain or lose anything in this process. The mutation is in your offspring, not you. If there is enough DNA damage to your cells then that could cause an inability to reproduce, but that is not what is under discussion here. And that much damage would more than likely just kill you outright.
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