Evolution and Darwin against Religion and God

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Dan_Defender said:
Remind your kids that this is a theory, not proven fact.
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One could say that every fact is a theory.
Next up, this is proven beyond all necessity and standing on this statement does not make one correct. Look to lizards in two sections.

The creationists that are very vocal hurt Christendom in the west. Popular culture believes we are creationists and it hurts us. These statements make it harder to evangelize pagans.

This forum ought to not exist on Catholic Answers Forums as it answers a question many have already answered a long time ago.
 
HumbleIOughtToBe said:
The creationists that are very vocal hurt Christendom in the west. Popular culture believes we are creationists and it hurts us. These statements make it harder to evangelize pagans.

This forum ought to not exist on Catholic Answers Forums as it answers a question many have already answered a long time ago.
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I reckon nothing is so dangerous that it can’t be talked about.

Popular culture is never going to look kindly upon the Church, creationists or no creationists.

The Church permits people to be creationists if they want. I’m aware of at least one very popular priest who spends a lot of time in my area and is a big creationist. He is, I believe, a convert from some fundamentalist evangelical sect in which he was raised. A lot of his “fan club” of Catholic followers agree with him.

My mother never liked evolution either.

If a pagan can’t accept that the Church does not take a position on evolution and allows Catholics to take a wide range of positions, then that’s the pagan’s problem.
 
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Oh great! Another evolution thread.

The OP suggests that the teaching of evolution in schools is corrupting the minds of our youth. I would suggest that the problem lies elsewhere.
 
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The danger is not that we are talking about it, rather philosophy professors can do straw men attacks on us saying we exist as only science deniers. Everything is public relations.

Agreed that the culture will never look well upon the church. Regardless, one less attack is great.

The church need not take a position on evolution. It just ought to indicate that their are 2 ways to take Genesis, literal and figurative, and when you chose the first one you violate all modern science, thereby becoming a defender of weird beliefs.

One thing, we can say an all powerful God knows evolution works and would produce his intended creation in the same way I know this will produce the best graph:

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Just because I use a mathematical solution to do my job does not mean I did not create it as I wish I would.
 
He’s obviously Irish, he referred to Ireland in the first lines of his first post.

I’m from USA. I also attended Catholic school and was taught evolution in school, as part of science class. I don’t remember anybody having a crisis of faith over it then or now. Some of my classmates did have crises of faith, but they were more like what we usually see on this forum, such as “What if when we die we just disappear and God really doesn’t exist?” and “If God exists, why is there so much evil in the world and why did he let my mom/ my friend/ little babies in wartime die?”

In addition, evolution isn’t some newfangled idea. It’s been taught in schools, including Catholic schools, for decades. I’m pretty old and it was already being taught for quite a long time before I encountered it.

Equating the scientific theory of evolution to Karl Marx is a bit of a reach.
I stand by my original comment.

I’m also pretty sure that a lot of my classmates couldn’t have reeled off the Ten Commandments in a row unless there was a test the next day and most of the class had stayed up memorizing them. Most people know stuff like don’t kill, don’t steal, don’t lie, don’t cheat on your spouse, and don’t miss Mass on Sunday. That doesn’t mean they can recite all ten commandments at the drop of a hat. It’s simply not knowledge that most people use on a daily basis. Has nothing to do with Darwin and everything to do with whether it’s really necessary to know them all for daily life.
 
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I never said Darwin was a hero. He’s a scientist. We learn the work of scientists in science class, in order to prepare for college, where Darwin’s theories will be discussed along with other scientifically supported theories. Some of which might contradict his.

I think you’re overreacting and that the OP is off base with his relating Darwin to people not knowing the 10 Commandments and losing the faith. That’s about all I said and you’re reading all kinds of stuff into it. Why, I do not know, but I think I will depart this thread as it has left the realm of logic for me. Bye now. (Feel free to have the last word, I’m muting)
 
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John121 said:
Why has Darwin’s theory made it into all the catholic schools in Ireland confusing the minds of young people that we are related to apes and from experience puts doubts into the minds of young people about or origin!
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Darwins theory is as open to widely varying interpretations as the book of Genesis.

‘Related’ to apes? What does that really mean? That we share the same Creator? That Eve had quite a lot of facial hair?
 
What on earth do you have against Darwin to speak in such terms?
 
Okay, now I’m mad at you, buffalo. This looks like a web site where I’m going to be “wasting” a lot of time! So much for the honey-do’s around the house. You’ll have my wife mad at you, too! (Nah, she’ll probably just be mad at me!)
 
What is all the fuss? The fact that life evolved does not contradict any of the Church’s teachings.
 
buffalo said:
Micro evolution is not against the Catholic Church. It is true. Macro-evolution and molecules to man is.
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Even I, as a non-Catholic know that this is wrong. The Catholic God is all-powerful and is easily capable of using evolution as His method of creating man’s body. Your personal version of God is obviously less powerful and not capable of using such a method.

Science and evolution only describe the development of the physical human body. They say nothing of the human soul.
 
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Do you have the Hebrew text for these two versions?

I can show you Original Hebrew texts for Genesis and discuss meaning of words, and then show you 5 or 6 English Bibles and their translations. I am wondering if your difference is in the discussion surrounding the meanings of the translated words , Hebrew to what we have today in English Bible versions.
Its not enough just to translate from Hebrew, the meaning of the words/wording is important.
 
Tis_Bearself said:
I’m from USA. I also attended Catholic school and was taught evolution in school, as part of science class. I don’t remember anybody having a crisis of faith over it then or now.
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The only thing that should matter is whether macro-evolution it true or not.
 
Was the Holy Spirit sleeping for centuries letting the Church teach creation and now has suddenly woke up and says - Oh by the way - ignore all that Adam and Eve stuff, evolution is the way it happened.
 
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buffalo:
Did Eve come from Adam’s side as Genesis states?
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Or is the story a parable, not to be taken literally, but teaching us a lesson?
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I heard that God first offered to give Adam a perfect companion for an arm and a leg, then Adam replied, “uh, what can I get for a rib?”

I’M KIDDING, FOLKS. I LOVE YOU, LADIES OF CA FORUM.
 
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