Evolution and Darwin against Religion and God

[niceatheist]

niceatheist:

Don’t know. Prediction in science also doesn’t mean fortune telling. It means in many cases predicting what we expect to observe.

In other words we should expect to see more evolution. Nice.

Well yes, it’s been going on for four billion years. Why would it stop?

 

[niceatheist]

For goodness sake, pick up a copy of Origin of the Species. Darwin makes a number of predictions.

 

[buffalo]

For goodness sake, pick up a copy of Origin of the Species. Darwin makes a number of predictions.

for instance?

 

[rossum]

What will humans change to in say 10 generations?

HIV resistance will be more common. Malaria resistance will be more common. Measles resistance might become more common, depending on the vaccination rates in the environment.

Which evo observations have been repeated? Source?

The Lederberg Experiment, and the Luria-Delbruck Experiment have been repeated many times. Your sources are misinforming you again, buffalo.

 

[niceatheist]

He predicted we ought to see variation in forms over time in lineages. To be perfectly fair, he had Linnaeus’s significant contributions to taxonomy to rely on, and paleontology was already delivering the goods even in his lifetime.

The whole concept he elaborated with his analysis of the finches was that there would be an ancestral finch and that the descendants would specialize.

Evolution of Darwin's finches and their beaks | ScienceDaily

 

[rossum]

for instance?

What part of “pick up a copy” do you have a problem with?

 

[MysticalMiracle]

That is not Darwinian Evolution. There has been no change in kind of species. They are still birds.

 

[buffalo]

HIV resistance will be more common. Malaria resistance will be more common. Measles resistance might become more common, depending on the vaccination rates in the environment.

Micro evolution

Those two? Uh no. and I have showed you why. Your sources are misinforming you. Since those two experiments we have found so much more. They are obsolete.

 

[buffalo]

What part of “pick up a copy” do you have a problem with?

The usual answer to specifics. Go pick up a biology textbook. The argument has been lost at that point…

 

[buffalo]

and adaptive evolution.

Yes - adaptive evolution is micro.

 

[Gorgias]

Sure. You said that it’s not good to say “that doesn’t happen” if it does, actually, happen. I took you to mean “don’t say that there aren’t people who say ‘evolution claims we’re descended from monkeys’ if there are actually people who do say, 'evolution claims we’re descended from monkeys!’…!”

Let’s face it – there are people who, either from misunderstanding or malice, will actually say that this is the claim of evolution, even though it’s not. My response to you was meant to point out that our expectation is that Catholic educators do not make those kinds of outlandish, inaccurate claims these days. Do other people? Sure. But… the responsibility for those mischaracterizations falls on them.

That’s probably true. But, that’s the responsibility of the Catholic school principal and/or the pastor(s) who sponsor the school and the diocesan education department – that is, to ensure that what’s being taught is accurate and true to the faith.

To be fair, that’s more Nietzsche-esque than sociopathic.

 

[rossum]

Micro evolution

Ladies and gentlemen, the sound you can hear in the background is buffalo moving the goalposts. His initial question was:

What will humans change to in say 10 generations?

Nothing there about macroevolution or microevolution, just “change”. I gave examples of change and buffalo is trying to dodge the fact that his attempt at a “gotcha” question failed.

By moving the goalposts he has implicitly admitted that he has lost this point.

 

[LateranBasilica]

The Hebrew Bible is in Masoretic text because that system of vowel pointing, developed in the middle ages ensured the oral tradition was preserved.

The condition I refer to, which I believe you are attempting to reference is not a semantic misunderstanding. The Hebrew Bible does not refer to ’ a high point in time’ or ’ bone of the day’’ . It is not the work of a pedant, it is the literal translation of the words, what they mean, the context.

In English words have meaning. in Hebrew, words also have meaning. A working knowledge and the ability to read Biblical Hebrew opens up a very rich dimension to the Old Testsment. For example ’ the long nose of God’

we venture off topic in this discussion. It is best for a new thread.

 

[Lion_IRC]

You said HIV, measles, malaria resistance will increase.

TOE cannot predict this any more than it can predict that measles and malaria and HIV will randomly mutate to become more virulent - completely nullifying any random increase in human resistance.

 

[Lion_IRC]

Far from being a predictive exercise, so much of what evolutionary theorising gives us is little more than a type of Monday morning quarterback syndrome.

 

[niceatheist]

“Bird” isn’t a species any more than “car” is a brand of automobile.

 

[niceatheist]

niceatheist:

and adaptive evolution.

Yes - adaptive evolution is micro.

You’re using words with your own private definitions. Care to reframe that as a biologist would?

 

[buffalo]

You’re using words with your own private definitions. Care to reframe that as a biologist would?

Microevolution Definition and Examples - Biology Online Dictionary

 

[niceatheist]

Good, now define “species”.

 

[buffalo]

Nothing there about macroevolution or microevolution, just “change”. I gave examples of change and buffalo is trying to dodge the fact that his attempt at a “gotcha” question failed.

By moving the goalposts he has implicitly admitted that he has lost this point.

No one claims change does not happen. Follow the threads before you post ridiculous charges.