Evolution and Darwin against Religion and God

[PhiriTalk]

I don’t know. The experiment ended. I can only go off of the data collected.

 

[buffalo]

I don’t know. The experiment ended. I can only go off of the data collected.

What did they conclude from the data collected? (actually I believe it is still running)

 

[PhiriTalk]

How do you know that there were no further changes after the experiment ended?

 

[PhiriTalk]

That the process of natural selection occurs in bacteria through tens of thousands of generations.

 

[buffalo]

How do you know that there were no further changes after the experiment ended?

I conclude you don’t know and don’t care to find out.

 

[PhiriTalk]

I never claimed that I did know. I’m not a biologist and I didn’t conduct the experiment.

How did you come to conclusion that I didn’t care?

 

[buffalo]

That the process of natural selection occurs in bacteria through tens of thousands of generations.

Hmmmm. That is the total extent? Natural selection, no one argues that it exists. It was thought to be a creative process, now we know it is not. It is a conservative process. At the Royal Society they were actually advocating NS to be a naturally occurring design agent. (an intelligent one, at that)

 

[PhiriTalk]

Who’s “we”?

Who at the Royal Society said that natural selection is by design?

 

[buffalo]

How did you come to conclusion that I didn’t care?

Your responses indicate that to me. You outright reject any evidence presented that evolution has some real foundational issues.

 

[PhiriTalk]

Do you have any evidence that “macro” evolution doesn’t happen?

 

[buffalo]

Who at the Royal Society said that natural selection is by design?

I linked the audio’s. Please go back and listen. It is only a few minutes of your time but will open your eyes. In fact, take some hours and listen to the talks. They are really revealing.

 

[PhiriTalk]

You’ve provided no evidence though. Lol. You linked me to your own blog and to some random audio clip supposedly from someone at the Royal Society.

You’ve provided zero evidence to show that intelligent design occurs.

 

[rossum]

No need. We are investigating what those experiments actually tried to prove?

The Lederberg Experiment shows that mutations are random, not directed.

The Luria-Delbrück Experiment shows that mutations are spontaneous, not induced.

 

[PhiriTalk]

Do you have any peer reviewed research? Or this one random audio clip your only evidence?

 

[buffalo]

Do you have any evidence that “macro” evolution doesn’t happen?

We do not see any. What we are seeing is species are hovering about a mean within the adaptive limits.

 

[buffalo]

The Lederberg Experiment shows that mutations are random, not directed.

The Luria-Delbrück Experiment shows that mutations are spontaneous, not induced.

Both overruled by new research.

 

[PhiriTalk]

What new research?

 

[PhiriTalk]

Who’s “we”?

This is the classic atheist argument: “I personally don’t see it, therefore it’s not there”.

You claimed that “macro” evolution doesn’t happen. It is on you to support this claim.

 

[buffalo]

Do you have any peer reviewed research? Or this one random audio clip your only evidence?

You won’t consider anything I reference and will spit out the ad-hominems. We are taking this step by step. I think it really important for you to understand the current discussions going on after seeing the new research developments.

 

[PhiriTalk]

You’ve provided an audio clip as your only evidence. Why should I take you serious?

Why not just provide the evidence you have? Why are you hiding your evidence from me?