Evolution and Darwin against Religion and God

[niceatheist]

It’s still ongoing. Again I question some posters knowledge of the theory

 

[John121]

I seriously don’t understand why a atheist is talking about a atheists view on existence on a catholic site.! Oh wait sowing seeds of doubt

 

[Lion_IRC]

Atheists are allowed to proselytise

 

[Anrakyr]

I seriously don’t understand why a atheist is talking about a atheists view on existence on a catholic site.! Oh wait sowing seeds of doubt

Also some of us would rather believe in a merciful God instead of an uncaring universe. Frankly I’m waiting for someone to help me bridge back. I don’t “sow discord” and will quote your churches teaching unless asked my opinion pointedly.

The fact you or others have failed is on you not us.

 

[Lion_IRC]

Many atheists dislike (the idea of) God, pejoratively calling Him a celestial dictator.

But surely (the idea of) unguided, uncaring, ‘almighty Evolution’ is a dictatorship writ large.
Inescapable entropy. Selfish DNA. Radiation. Law of the jungle. Survival of the strongest…

At least God answers when you ask…
“When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained; What is man, that thou art mindful of him?..”
See Psalms 8:4

 

[John121]

The fact is in order to have freedom of choice which God says we have we must have choices and seeing as the world at large does not even know the 10 commandments off by heart how can we ever when put into a position were we will fall into sin make the lawful decision when our knowledge of the law is not knowing it’s a point I will contest with God that it’s not ignorance when we are being thought the opposite of the law in society which is ruled by Lucifer

 

[Techno2000]

It’s still ongoing

Macroevolution ?

 

[Lion_IRC]

…the world at large does not even know the 10 commandments off by heart how can we ever…

Why would “the world at large” memorise the Ten Commandments by heart?
…let alone agree with them all.

 

[niceatheist]

Yes. Speciation (if that’s what you mean) still happens

 

[Erikaspirit16]

Then there should be billions of incremental transitional fossils to prove it [= great variety of species].

With a few rare exceptions, fossils are bones only. They would show internal organs, skin, etc. So changes in these simply wouldn’t show up in the fossil record.

 

[Erikaspirit16]

To conclude​

Mutations are highly non-random and directed; numerous mechanisms for generating mutations are involved that appear to be under the control of the cell or organism as a whole in different environmental contexts, leading to repeatable mutations in specific genes. These results are contrary to the fundamental neo-Darwinian tenet that evolution depends on the natural selection of random genetic mutations. I suggest that specific electromagnetic signals emitted by key molecules that can relieve the stress are communicated directly to activate the transcription and mutation of the requisite gene(s).

http://www.i-sis.org.uk/Nonrandom_directed_mutations_confirmed.php

This is nothing new. It’s been known since the 1970s that SOME mutations are due to some sort of feedback loop with the environment. It’s not clear what causes them. But most mutations are random–at least as far as anyone knows.

But I’m not sure why you quote this–it doesn’t disprove the theory of evolution at all. No scientific theory is set in stone. The point of a theory is that it can be continually refined and adjusted, as the theory of evolution has, in view of new information.

 

[Bradskii]

I know I said a lot of people railing against evolution knew next to nothing about it. If only we had an example that indicates that.

Oh, wait. Here’s Lion helping out…

WUT?
There’s nothing to criticise about ‘evolution’.
It’s a blind, random, involuntary process.

Thanks, Lion!

 

[rossum]

No it can’t.

You will note that when I said it could I supplied an explanation of why my statement was correct. I supported my statement.

You on the other hand have provided no support. That reduces your statement to personal opinion. In science, personal opinion is not worth much.

Please explain why a gene for malaria resistance will not spread through a population.

 

[Lion_IRC]

Lion_IRC:

No it can’t.

You will note that when I said it could I supplied an explanation of why my statement was correct. I supported my statement.

You on the other hand have provided no support. That reduces your statement to personal opinion. In science, personal opinion is not worth much.

Please explain why a gene for malaria resistance will not spread through a population.

And I provided an example of why it (evolution) provides no predictive usefulness. But you either didn’t read or were unable to rebut the factual point I raised about the consequences of one unpredictable, spontaneous mutation being nullified by the consequences of another random mutation - resulting in the opposite effect.

Answer my point then we will talk.

 

[pulchraesamicamea]

… I think this is like the third post about evolution about genetic mutations that I’ve wrote a reply to, and I do have a genetic mutation and I have Muscular Dystrophy as a result. I hope that my knowledge about mutation can help you guys.

First of all, I don’t really know much about evolution, but what I know is this:
There are two types of genetic inheritance: x-linked (linked to the x chromosome), recessive (two copies of mutation), dominant (one mutation only), and mitochondrial inheritance (from the mtDNA’s own DNA).
And these mutations can be inherited from both parents or from one parent, or there is something called a de novo mutation, which occurs spontaneously and has nothing to do with the parent. There’s also the maternal inheritance, which is the most case for mtDNA and x-linked.

There are also deletions- so chromosomes in those individuals have missing parts. This is also a de novo mutation that has nothing to with the parents in most cases.

If you guys are concerning the microevolution/mutation variants, then this matter will be regarding Mendelian inheritance, which is basically the selection of genes when life is formed. For me, I was created by having two copies of mutation, both from my mom and dad. There are also variants, meaning that there are multiple forms of mutations. Some variants have nothing to do with syndromes- they are called ‘benign mutations’. There are known pathogenic variants, meaning it definitely causes diseases, and there are VOUS (variants of unknown significance) that the doctors are still unsure about. Some people have one mutated copy and they have no problems, since they are just carrying the mutation and have no symptoms whatsoever.

Mixture of any of these variants can cause problems, but sometimes it doesn’t. Vitiligo is a skin disease sometimes caused by a mutation but it doesn’t always create multisystemic problems, however it can be a significant problem to the person’s mood due to the person losing skin pigment.

I mean, I can’t say for sure why these mutations occur other than environment factors, deletion, translocation (moving around of the genes and messing the gene up, basically), and other mutation processes…and I also cannot say that this is due to evolution. Still, a lot of the DNA problems, including my MD is a mystery. We don’t know why it happens, why the onset of MDs are different, etc. There are still researches being conducted about microevolution, population genetics, and natural selection. We know some about DNA but not all. The human genome was only completed in 2003 so there are tons of research to be done.

That’s it I think?
Let me know if you have more questions.

 

[Lion_IRC]

I know I said a lot of people railing against evolution knew next to nothing about it. If only we had an example that indicates that.

Oh, wait. Here’s Lion helping out…

Lion_IRC:

WUT?
There’s nothing to criticise about ‘evolution’.
It’s a blind, random, involuntary process.

Thanks, Lion!

Is that all you know how to do?
Accuse people who disagree with your opinions of not understanding the topic? Lame.

 

[Bradskii]

Bradskii:

I know I said a lot of people railing against evolution knew next to nothing about it. If only we had an example that indicates that.

Oh, wait. Here’s Lion helping out…

Lion_IRC:

WUT?
There’s nothing to criticise about ‘evolution’.
It’s a blind, random, involuntary process.

Thanks, Lion!

Is that all you know how to do?
Accuse people who disagree with your opinions of not understanding the topic? Lame.

I don’t mind us disagreeing. But the comments you make clearly indicate that you know very little about the subject. That’s out of my hands - but you could do something about it. But I’m not sure you’re interested.

 

[Lion_IRC]

Here’s a novel suggestion Bradskii
Use the quote function and show where I have stated something factually false.
You and your evo pals have done nothing but gainsay other peoples opinions while simply asserting your own contrary opinions.

 

[sevenswords]

They don’t teach it in my kids schools? where are you living are they Catholic schools or non denominational? If they teach it in catholic schools I would make it my business to go into the school and tell them the truth about the Atheistic, Communistic, Marxist agenda to lie to our kids at an early age to make them believe a lie. You even see it here where many are so confused they think evolution has validity.

 

[rossum]

And I provided an example of why it (evolution) provides no predictive usefulness. But you either didn’t read or were unable to rebut the factual point I raised about the consequences of one unpredictable, spontaneous mutation being nullified by the consequences of another random mutation - resulting in the opposite effect.

Answer my point then we will talk.

If a mutation is beneficial, i.e. useful, then it will spread through natural selection. The reverse mutation will therefore be deleterious and will be suppressed by natural selection. Natural selection differentially amplifies beneficial and deleterious mutations. The beneficial mutation will out-compete the deleterious mutation thanks to natural selection.

A mutation may only happen once, and will be copied into offspring in successive generations. The Apo AI-Milano mutation was traced to a single man, born in 1780. The mutation occurred once, and the other carriers since then inherited it.

Evolution includes random mutation and natural selection. Random mutations are random; natural selection is not random, and can be predicted. That allows some prediction for evolution overall.