Evolution is contradictory?

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

Maybe, maybe not. Errors can be made in testing, right?

Yes, retest the same samples, several times as well as other soft tissues.

If the error was deliberate, retesting will produce the same faulty results.

 

[buffalo]

It is more likely the Miller’s specimen had to be 40,000 years old because he needed to prove creationist theory.

Here are the dates:

32,400
25,750 + 280
23,760 + 270
29,690 + 90
30,640 + 90
31,360 + 100
31,050 + 230/-220
36,480 + 560/-530
30,890 + 200
33,830 + 2910/-1960
24,340 + 70
39,230 + 140
30,110 + 80
22,380 + 800
22,990 +130
25,670 + 220
25,170 + 230
23,170 + 170
37,660 + 160
38,250 + 160

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

That too, is a question. But why must one test the same sample? Why not test other samples? Surely if dinosaurs were living 40,000 years ago there would be more than one sample found among all the various bones found.

There are and continue to be more. But, retest the same samples until resolution is reached. What are you afraid of?

I am too busy living my life, as are the other scientists, I suppose.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

It is more likely the Miller’s specimen had to be 40,000 years old because he needed to prove creationist theory.

Here are the dates:

32,400
25,750 + 280
23,760 + 270
29,690 + 90
30,640 + 90
31,360 + 100
31,050 + 230/-220
36,480 + 560/-530
30,890 + 200
33,830 + 2910/-1960
24,340 + 70
39,230 + 140
30,110 + 80
22,380 + 800
22,990 +130
25,670 + 220
25,170 + 230
23,170 + 170
37,660 + 160
38,250 + 160

Listing a bunch of numbers is not the same as having independent verification.

 

[buffalo]

If the error was deliberate, retesting will produce the same faulty results.

And why Jack Horner’s team should do it. But he doesn’t want to. He is afraid.

 

[buffalo]

Listing a bunch of numbers is not the same as having independent verification.

Then test other samples in your own independent lab.

 

[rossum]

How many transitional male and female stages do you suppose it took for evolution to produce the 10 million different species we have today…is that really so difficult to work out ?

A sexually reproducing species with only one sex has no living descendants today. I suggest a course in genetics covering the genetics of sex determination in various species – it differs between species, and a more advanced on the evolution of sexual reproduction from asexually reproducing ancestors. Then you will know more about the topic than I do and you won’t need to ask me questions.

rossum

 

[rossum]

Ahhhh - are you aware that bacteria have latent mempries and know how to fight our drugs?

Then where are the creationist pharma-billionaires who have read those latent memories and have designed drugs that avoid all the possible ways those bacteria could fight back?

rossum

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

If the error was deliberate, retesting will produce the same faulty results.

And why Jack Horner’s team should do it. But he doesn’t want to. He is afraid.

They are not affraid. They just have better things to do than to verify every crackpot claim, which is all Miller’s claim is at this point. If Miller really does have fantastic ground-breaking results, he should find someone on his own to verify his results, and then the two of them would be motivated to find someone else to check them, and then, maybe, he will have enough credibility to be taken seriously. The fact that he has not done this is evidence that he cannot. And don’t say its because all paleontologists are invested in the “old dinosaur theory” because I just will not share your cynicism. Any paleontologist who actually thought he could be part of an historic revolution in thinking about dinosaurs would jump at the chance. If Miller cannot get anyone to join him it is because he’s not nothing. On his own, what credentials does Miller have that would make scientists drop whatever they are doing and starting working on his theory? No, Miller needs to earn that kind of respect - not demand it.

 

[buffalo]

Then where are the creationist pharma-billionaires who have read those latent memories and have designed drugs that avoid all the possible ways those bacteria could fight back?

rossum

Finally, after years of evolution, they are all waking up to design.

Phages, rossum, phages.

 

[buffalo]

They just have better things to do than to verify every crackpot claim, which is all Miller’s claim is at this point. If Miller really does have fantastic ground-breaking results, he should find someone on his own to verify his results,

You would cry foul… again. This will need to come from outside his camp. And you still will doubt.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

They just have better things to do than to verify every crackpot claim, which is all Miller’s claim is at this point. If Miller really does have fantastic ground-breaking results, he should find someone on his own to verify his results,

You would cry foul… again. This will need to come from outside his camp. And you still will doubt.

It’s not me that matters. It is the scientific community. I can’t trust everything told to me by people I meet on the street. Nor do I trust everything said by some guy who has a Go Fund Me page to do his creationist research. Did you happen to see Miller’s Go Fund Me appeal?

 

[Aloysium]

The sun does rise in the east. The earth appears to be like the back of a giant tortoise. At least those are true from their limited frame of reference. Evolution caused by random morphological changes in man-made categories that have no existence in themselves, that we call species, said to be selected by some magical environmental property that again has no existence other than in our imaginations, well that to me is illusion. Again, evolution is not science. It is the modern mythos of our origins. The same raw data clearly shows creation, moreso than it does evolution.

 

[Aloysium]

You are speaking only to yourself and others who share in the same illusion. Quit it with the ad hominems already!

 

[goout]

The sun does rise in the east. The earth appears to be like the back of a giant tortoise. At least those are true from their limited frame of reference. Evolution caused by random morphological changes in man-made categories that have no existence in themselves, that we call species, said to be selected by some magical environmental property that again has no existence other than in our imaginations, well that to me is illusion. Again, evolution is not science. It is the modern mythos of our origins. The same raw data clearly shows creation, moreso than it does evolution.

You don’t understand the science my friend. And so you are not refuting anything.
Refute something you understand, then your refutation will have some teeth.
Let the atheists do straw men.

 

[buffalo]

Did you happen to see Miller’s Go Fund Me appeal?

If we all would contribute we could resolve this easily. You name the lab/labs and the bones to submit. We will use the gofundme account to gether done.

 

[Bradskii]

Bradskii:

What do you mean: ‘stone tools probably’ and ‘cooking’ probably?

There is undeniable evidence for early hominids making tools and using fire.

You do seem to like things to be cut and dried …

Please quote me accurately. That’s “stone tool, maybe.”

Cite your undeniable evidence for making tools. Unless we ground you to a particular, you have a history of making hay (uncut and un-dried) out of generalities.

Gee. I dunno. The Smithsonian maybe?

http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/behavior/stone-tools/early-stone-age-tools

I keep getting this mental picture of fish. In a barrel. Must mean something. Who can tell.

 

[Aloysium]

I am here as just another random internet idiot posting random opinions, a target for whatever fantasies the reader wishes to project.

I don’t expect much learning to happen on this modern version of the Tower of Babel.

My post above appears relevant in this case as well. Why not argue the points I make.

Let me add that you have not made a good impression on the other side of this communication divide.

 

[rossum]

Phages, rossum, phages

Phages are not bacteria. Phages are not somehow designed into bacteria. Phages are “Bacteriophages” which are viruses that attack bacteria. They have nothing at all to do with the ‘latent bacterial memories’ you were talking about earlier.

rossum

 

[Roseeurekacross]

Mary’s age dating is solid, and her results disagree vehemently with those who are ( for want of a nice word) …bast…**** her work. Those doing so are constantly being told they are in error, and their methods are in error. Yet they don’t listen and adjust either their work or their errors. They just run around spewing forth ‘ poor me’s’ when those who would be their peers if they had the education, refute them.

Are they even trained in a specialty like this. ? No, they believe grabbing the old chewed marrowbone in the backyard will do the trick.

You are missing the point here time and time again. It is very unchristian and unethical to falsely claim the work , the completely off topic work of another, will bolster your claim.

Quite frankly, it’s disgraceful these people are attempting this and you support it.