Evolution is contradictory?

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rossum said:
Evolution neither supports nor contradicts atheism.
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Very good.
rossum said:
It does contradict woodenly literal interpretations of Genesis …
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As Catholic do not believe in literal interpretations, evolution theory does not contradict Catholic beliefs. Very good.
Bradskii said:
Nothing supports atheism.
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Very good.

Looks like we finally have a wrap on any further threads that the science of evolution contradicts or disputes any Catholic beliefs.
 
“Although atheism might have been logically tenable before Darwin,” writes Richard Dawkins, “Darwin made it possible to be an intellectually fulfilled atheist.”

Before Darwin atheists had no explanation for design. Darwin gave them one, evolution. Design until then gave atheism fits as it is now again.
 
buffalo said:
“Although atheism might have been logically tenable before Darwin,” writes Richard Dawkins, “Darwin made it possible to be an intellectually fulfilled atheist.”

Before Darwin atheists had no explanation for design. Darwin gave them one, evolution. Design until then gave atheism fits as it is now again.
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Yeah. Unlike some people we have no problem in using this term:

I don’t know.

And evolution was around before Darwin. What he gave is one of the methods of how it is acheived - natural selection. That’s what we didn’t know. Have you still not learned that after all this time? That you can still make such basic errors is not credible.
 
Bradskii said:
And evolution was around before Darwin. What he gave is one of the methods of how it is acheived - natural selection. That’s what we didn’t know. Have you still not learned that after all this time? That you can still make such basic errors is not credible.
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Where is @pickypicky?

It is not a basic error. I well understand and have pointed out many times over the years the Catholic Church has stood against evolution from the beginning.

Evolution as given credibility by the mechanism. That allowed atheists to be intellectually fulfilled and then begin to market and indoctinize the concept.
 
buffalo said:
I well understand and have pointed out many times over the years the Catholic Church has stood against evolution from the beginning.
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???

I seem to find the Church working with, not against, science.
 
mVitus said:
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I seem to find the Church working with , not against, science.
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The Church’s understanding of the intelligibility and design of the universe is what got modern science going. It is all based on this and integral. The Church is against materialistic explanations that go against this. Scientism has carved out an area for itself. Cna’t let the divine foot in the door, remember, Science has an a priori position that will not include the entire search space for knowledge. Actually, its real search space is limited to empirical experiments. Gathering forensic knowledge about the past one time events is very limited and rife with assumptions and educated guesses.

The Church depends on well reasoned science based on solid observations.

The Church was the top patron of the sciences for a long time. Faith and reason cannot be opposed.
 
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mVitus said:
Your IDvolution isn’t the only way to understand God’s role in evolution. Please stop acting like it is.
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I really like it. 😀 You may, too, in the future.

Right now there is much scientific support for it and the consistent with Church teaching. It is gaining strength as science delivers more data. What is not to like?
 
The fact that there isn’t scientific support for it. And that it boxes in God as God of the gaps and nothing else.
 
mVitus said:
The fact that there isn’t scientific support for it. And that it boxes in God as God of the gaps and nothing else.
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Then you have not taken much time at the site.
God of the gaps - there will always be at least one-gap or we would be God. The
God of the gaps is not even a good argument anymore.

How on earth can science close gaps when it won’t even acknowledge the creator and His plan? or that He actually gave us important information?
 
buffalo said:
The God of the gaps is not even a good argument anymore.
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God of the Gaps is a very bad argument, for theists. There used to be a gap called, “What causes thunder?” Gods like Zeus and Thor lived in that gap. As science made that gap smaller, those gods had to shrink to still fit into the gap. Eventually the gap got so small that those gods were reduced to comic book heroes and characters in a movie franchise.

Science works to shrink gaps, so and god that wants to fit into that gap has to shrink. Is that what you want to happen to your ID god?
“We are to find God in what we know, not in what we do not know; God wants us to realize his presence, not in unsolved problems but in those that are solved.”

– Dietrich Bonhoeffer
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That is a much wiser position.

rossum
 
rossum said:
Science works to shrink gaps, so and god that wants to fit into that gap has to shrink. Is that what you want to happen to your ID god?
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Scientism (or the exclusion of God) is the only way the God of the Gaps works. So many have fallen for it.

Catholics know and accept the authority of the Bible. In the areas where faith and reason intersect both have to be true.

Science is in a box of its own making. It has a limited say about the universe, limited to our 5 senses, 3 dimensions and time. It has nothing to say about what exists outside the box. Yet, we have been told there is an outside the box.

To cover its own god of the gaps it has created the multiverse, which is not obsrvable. It is a construct and requires blind faith.
 
buffalo said:
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rossum:
Science works to shrink gaps, so and god that wants to fit into that gap has to shrink. Is that what you want to happen to your ID god?
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Scientism (or the exclusion of God) is the only way the God of the Gaps works.
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Are there such posts? Indeed there are. And they are all posted by fundamentalists such as yourself. You are having a huge argument with yourself.

I’ve said it before and it’s worth saying again: This is better than Doonesbury.
 
Aquinas on Evolution and Intelligent Design

My name is Father Michael Chaberek. Welcome to my website! I am a Dominican friar, and I hold a doctorate in theology. I developed the content of this website for a twofold purpose:
To show the incompatibility of Thomistic philosophy with theistic evolution.
To show the compatibility of Thomistic philosophy with the theory of intelligent design.
This website has a general and introductory character. Many of the arguments relevant to the debate over Thomistic philosophy and evolution are merely indicated here. Many of the relevant issues are not even mentioned. Some arguments have been presented in a generic form just to suggest the direction of the Thomistic answer to theistic evolution. I also left out references to the works of Thomistic evolutionists. The reader will find the fully stated arguments, as well as the references to the different sources, in my book Aquinas and Evolution.

Thomas Aquinas on Evolution and Intelligent Design |

aquinas.design aquinas.design

He may like http://www.idvolution.org 😀
 
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