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We did not evolve from monkeys!

We did not evolve from modern day apes either. What we have in common in a primordial ape ancestor, one branch of which eventually became bipedal and evolved a larger brain.
 
No, you can do the research yourself.

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Tim
then how do i have a clue what theory your talking about? how do i know i wont spend time researching the wrong thing?

a quick google shows years worth of research, do i really need to know the whole theory? all of it back to front?

how can i play the laurel to your hardy, if i dont even know what is in the script?
 
then how do i have a clue what theory your talking about? how do i know i wont spend time researching the wrong thing?

a quick google shows years worth of research, do i really need to know the whole theory? all of it back to front?

how can i play the laurel to your hardy, if i dont even know what is in the script?
You are the one who chose to enter this discussion with the claim (now retracted) that there are gaping flaws in the science. Now you want me to teach you something so that you can debate me? Perhaps you should find a topic you understand.

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Tim
 
You are the one who chose to enter this discussion with the claim (now retracted) that there are gaping flaws in the science.
what claim was there to retract? did you find a premise, or an argument, or a logical conclusion drawn from it?

no, you didnt. you keep insisting that somehow i made a claim that there are gaping flaws in evolution, by pointing out that other people hold such flaws to exist.

nor did i choose to enter a conversation with you, you chose to quote my post, not the other way around
Now you want me to teach you something so that you can debate me? Perhaps you should find a topic you understand.
as i have said before i agree with the generalities as i know them, from a lack of interest more than anything else.

funny, but you dont seem to have noticed i never claimed to know anything about the topic, with which to defend creationist arguments.

but as you seemed determined then i will make this assertion

all evolution theory is a complete misunderstanding of chemistry and mathematics

thats about as narrow as i can make an objection as you are refusing to provide me specifics
 
what claim was there to retract? did you find a premise, or an argument, or a logical conclusion drawn from it?
So you don’t retract? You actually want to defend a statement that you claim is as serious an assertion as one that some people believe in Santa Claus? Really?
no, you didnt. you keep insisting that somehow i made a claim that there are gaping flaws in evolution, by pointing out that other people hold such flaws to exist.
No, you made the claim. Only later did you blame it on others.
nor did i choose to enter a conversation with you, you chose to quote my post, not the other way around
But you chose to continue the conversation. You are welcome to walk away any time you want.
as i have said before i agree with the generalities as i know them, from a lack of interest more than anything else.
But you said that you don’t know anything about the theory. How can you agree with any generality if you don’t know anything about the topic?
funny, but you dont seem to have noticed i never claimed to know anything about the topic, with which to defend creationist arguments.
Then why keep this up? Why not just retract your original assertion?
but as you seemed determined then i will make this assertion

all evolution theory is a complete misunderstanding of chemistry and mathematics

thats about as narrow as i can make an objection as you are refusing to provide me specifics
So you are willing to make an assertion about something you admittedly know nothing about? Ok. Here is my detailed response to your assertion. You are wrong.

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Tim
 
You are the one who chose to enter this discussion with the claim (now retracted) that there are gaping flaws in the science.
i cant retract a claim never made.

please post the evidence of the following
  1. a premise
  2. a logical argument drawn from that premise
you mistake pointing out that some people hold those ideas, for putting them forth as serious ideas of my own
:yeah_me:
Now you want me to teach you something so that you can debate me?
:crying:
Perhaps you should find a topic you understand.
:rolleyes:

i am tempted to assert broad denial as in the post i deleted.

on second thought, that would create no forward motion.

so please pick whatever intelligent design, or creationist attack upon evolution that you want me to defend, and i will
 
So you don’t retract?

keep up i deleted that post

once again nothing to retract

no premise, no argument, no logical inference = no claim

you have parsed one sentence and assumed arguments from it.

thats like seeing picture of a car and assuming it is a car

:rotfl:
 
So you don’t retract?
no claim to retract, no premise, no argument, no logical inference
You actually want to defend a statement that you claim is as serious an assertion as one that some people believe in Santa Claus?
which is it you want me to defend a non-existent claim or you dont?
Really?No, you made the claim. Only later did you blame it on others
.

just show me a premise, an argument, or a logical inference drawn from them

repeating a phrase doesnt makre it true
But you chose to continue the conversation. You are welcome to walk away any time you want.
where are you? did you walk away?
But you said that you don’t know anything about the theory. How can you agree with any generality if you don’t know anything about the topic?
the same way you can parse one sentence to find an actual argument.
Then why keep this up?
why do you keep this up?
Why not just retract your original assertion?
what assertion, the one that had no premise, argument, or logical inference?
So you are willing to make an assertion about something you admittedly know nothing about?
didnt you tell me too take the first shot?
Ok. Here is my detailed response to your assertion. You are wrong.
great what evidence do you have?

:whacky: 🤓 :bowdown: :yeah_me:
 
no claim to retract, no premise, no argument, no logical inference
Of course not. You didn’t make the assertion that I referred to or that Barbarian tried to get you to back up. We all just made it up.
which is it you want me to defend a non-existent claim or you dont?
Do whatever you want to do. You claim they don’t exist, so I guess this discussion is done. Just remember in the future, if you make an assertion like “yes, you may accept it, but be careful of scientific orthodoxy, it sounds very correct, but there are gaping flaws, which are somehow impolitic to mention.”, you will be asked to back it up. Except, of course, you didn’t write that.

Right.

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Tim
 
like a monkey mausoleum? sounds mostly like proof of dead monkeys:)
Since, by your own admission, you do not know a lot about evolution we can overlook your ignorance of the fact that monkeys are not hominids. Ignorance is curable by learning, you could start here: Understanding Evolution. I would suggest that you learn more so that you can avoid making further posts based on ignorance.

rossum
 
I second that. There’s a thing called physical evidence that you have to go about explaining.

I’ve never heard a convicing explanation for humna ancestor remains from creationists. They ussually just say that earlier species were just upright apes that died out, and later species were just part normal human variation at the time (incorrect, too large a difference in brain size, head and jaw shape and skeletal structure).
 
No individuals can evolve. But it’s descendants will be able to. The descendants of any organism with an DNA genome will be slightly different in their genes than the ancestor.
Is it possible that life evolved somewhere in the universe first and designed the life that we find here on earth?
 
Since, by your own admission, you do not know a lot about evolution we can overlook your ignorance of the fact that monkeys are not hominids.
strangely enough if i said hominids arent monkeys, some one would say i am making a creationist argument.🙂
Ignorance is curable by learning, you could start here: Understanding Evolution.
or i could just think back to high school biology, where evolution is taught. or college biology I or II, or even more embarrasing , anthropology, or anatomy. of course the first stretch started in the summer of 1990, so forgive my ignorance of such things they did start more than 18 years ago. and i didnt really care about them then either.
I would suggest that you learn more so that you can avoid making further posts based on ignorance.
back for more eh?😛
 
Regarding Gaping Flaws in Previous Posts.

Are those the mathematical statistics regarding “chance” as proposed by Richard Dawkins?

I may not be correct above, but there was information about the flaws in evolutionary theory in the paperback “Answering the New Atheism, Dismantling Dawkins’ Case Against God” by Scott Hahn and Benjamin Wilker. These authors skipped the spice of Mr. Dawkins’ inflammatory rhetoric so the book is only 151 pages long.

Blessings,
grannymh (evolutionary descendant of Thomas the Apostle 😉 )
 
or i could just think back to high school biology, where evolution is taught. or college biology I or II, or even more embarrasing , anthropology, or anatomy. of course the first stretch started in the summer of 1990, so forgive my ignorance of such things they did start more than 18 years ago. and i didnt really care about them then either.
Ignorance is curable. Stupidity is not.

rossum
 
Is it possible that life evolved somewhere in the universe first and designed the life that we find here on earth?
Seems unlikely. Too many odd solutions, none of which look designed.

Could some intelligence have cleverly made it look like creation, and actually have designed life? I guess so.
 
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