Amen to that! I hear you loud and clear. All my years as a devout Catholic at mass at least twice per week and at confession once per month at Eucharistic adoration as often as possible etc etc. and I’m still a stupid ignorant lemick who didn’t know jack as a Catholic. Well, I know different, much different.
You confess your sins once per month? I would think this would be one of the things to do daily. What if you die two weeks after confession and you have two weeks of unconfessed sins.Amen to that! I hear you loud and clear. All my years as a devout Catholic at mass at least twice per week and at confession once per month at Eucharistic adoration as often as possible etc etc. and I’m still a stupid ignorant lemick who didn’t know jack as a Catholic. Well, I know different, much different.
No. What I meant was that when I was Catholic (several years ago), I went to sacremental confession at least once per month. I do confess my sins daily in prayer now. I was making a point about the works a devout Catholic does.
Being in the seminary does not make one an expert. There are bad apples that came out of it and good apples. For example, Martin Luther was in the seminary before he became a priest.What about an ex-Catholic who spent 4 years in the seminary?
Gentlemen, there are reasons for leaving if one does understand a decent amount or even a great deal of the Church’s teachings, but these involve poor personal characteristics, like pride that one can do a better job for themselves outside the Church, opposition to Christ and His Church, improper priorities like making behavior of Catholics the litmus test of the Church, opposition to Christ, etc. I would say that the devil understands the Church, and chooses to attack her. I would say there is no healthy reason I am aware of for being outside the Church started by Christ, which is protected from teaching error in faith and morals, which has true Sacraments including the Eucharist.Amen to that! I hear you loud and clear. All my years as a devout Catholic at mass at least twice per week and at confession once per month at Eucharistic adoration as often as possible etc etc. and I’m still a stupid ignorant lemick who didn’t know jack as a Catholic. Well, I know different, much different.
What about me? I renounced the Roman church for none in particular. I’d classify myself as an anti-denominational Protestant.
Quick question on this one.
I wonder where in the bible it says that part of the entrance requirement to Heaven is a theological exam. I seem to recall this parable from Jesus: That the people who fed the hungry, clothed the naked, visited prisoners, etc. got into heaven.
We’re not talking about people getting into heaven, we’re talking about people who claim to be experts in Catholicism but are not. You know, false witnesses and all that jazz.
gotcha. Yeah, that’s a little unnuanced, but if a Catholic formally becomes a heretic and dies unrepentant, then yes, the Church does teach that that person will go to hell.
Yes, to simply be in error is not necessarily to be a heretic. In order to be a heretic, one must be a Baptized Christian, and be corrected in the teaching, then formally refuse to accept the correction. It’s not as simple as being ignorant, as was stated above. For instance, Martin Luther was a heretic after being corrected by the Bishops and refusing to be corrected. Sadly, he died a heretic, by the way.gotcha. Yeah, that’s a little unnuanced, but if a Catholic formally becomes a heretic and dies unrepentant, then yes, the Church does teach that that person will go to hell.
The trick is that you REEEAAALLY have to be hardcore to be a formal heretic. Most folks accused by the internet inquisition of being heretics are likely not, in the formal canonical sense, heretics since they lack full consent of the will or are invincibly ignorant. In any case, lay Catholics, while not shying away from proclaiming Catholic orthodoxy, should not assume the worst about folks and ought to approach all situations with love and patience before anything else.
Now, back to our regularly scheduled programming
Oh absolutely. That’s not what I’m doing. In fact, the Church has never stated that anyone in particular is in hell. Mainly because of what you pointed out above: that we CANNOT know with CERTAINTY the state of someone’s soul at the time of their death.
It certainly is. Luther did it. many others followed his lead. And will follow his lead.
…follow Luther’s lead into heresy, including unscriptural foundations of his faith called “Sola Fide” and “Sola Scriptura”. I don’t recommend it. Stay with the Way, Truth, and the Life in Christ as infallibly taught only by His Church which He built and protects from teaching error in faith and morals. No other church can honestly make that claim.
Funnily enough, is that most Catholics don’t seem to know this, even the priests.
Looks like you’re trying to pick a fight. Why? How about if I said many catholics who left the catholic church had a better understanding of catholicism and what they believe than many catholics still in the church. At least they had the courage to follow their faith in Jesus Christ to live rightly and to seek a better understanding of scriptures. Thats better than those who have no faith and stay in the church making a sacralidge of celebrating the sacraments yet living in sin and condoning abortion like Kerry and many others. How about that statement?
It would then be a conversation to discuss these points.
Actually, I don’t think you need to leave the RCC to better study the scriptures. I just thought that the audacity of the op should not be countenanced. I agree that the polititians you mentioned should be excluded from fellowship.