Ex-defence minister Liam Fox: We must arm the Ukrainians as the credibility of the entire Nato alliance is at stake

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Tomdstone said:
Can you give us the name of one American who blames all of the world’s evil on America?
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We are advised not to do things like that on CAF, though it certainly seems there are some, and no few from other countries. 🙂
 
JW55 said:
Sadaam and Assad committing genocide? Wow, it is good that Christians in both countries are not victims of genocide at the hands of ISIS today, right? Wrong. Although under Assad and Saddam who were ruthless dictators, Christians in both countries had during these guys reigns, some measure of freedom of religious worship. Now they have no rights to their lives, there homeland or their religious faith.
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Your point of view relies on hindsight. The Christian attitude, wow, is that the rights of all peoples should be protected.
 
For the record, the Syrians allegedly were involved in the Beirut barracks bombing: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombing

One should not excuse one form of terrorism and accept another. This is similar to the dilemma of World War II and befriending Stalin who seems to have been pretty bad in his own right.

If this situation had not been so inflamed 30 years prior to the present, if Syria had more democracy, we may not be dealing with ISIS.

Assad has been at least a main motive to ISIS fighters/terrorists so clearly, has contributed to this rise.

You didn’t see ISIS break out in Jordan or some other countries where human rights are more respected.
 
Path_Finder said:
Your point of view relies on hindsight. The Christian attitude, wow, is that the rights of all peoples should be protected.
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In regard to your response to mine on referencing “hindsight”, yes. it does. You referenced the genocide issues of the dictators of Syria and Iraq. My response was addressing that. Perhaps, I am misunderstanding your intent.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Thank you for the compliment, but you raised so many issues, most of which I did not mention, that there is not sufficient room to respond to very much of it. I do understand, though, that you have a particular view of U.S. participation in world affairs; more or less that it should be none.

You are right in believing I do not share that view. I do think, however, that distinctions need to be made; something I do not believe you share. I never supported the U.S. action in Kosovo. I never supported ongoing operations in Afghanistan. I did, however, support remaining in force in Iraq, and precisely because the Sunni tribal leaders, the Kurds and the Arab Shia all begged us to do it. Why? Because they all knew the future would be like it is now if we did not, and they knew they needed more time. Even Al Quaeda admitted it was finished in Iraq. We stayed where we shouldn’t have stayed and left where we shouldn’t have left.
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My feelings on America’s involvement in world affairs does not mean isolation. .I do believe in trade and commerce with the world and providing humanitarian assistance where needed. I do not agree with military alliances that bind America to support other countries in military involvements that do not directly affect this country’s security of it’s homeland. If there is a solid need felt by the nation of the United States to participate in a foreign war they can decide to do so without being part of alliances and the need to maintain military police action throughout the world in an infinite number of countries.
 
Darryl1958 said:
Obama.
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It is just false to say that Obama blames all of the world’s evil on America? Where has he blamed America for the evil caused by the Ebola virus or for the harassment of Christians in India? Where has Obama blamed America for the corruption in Greece? Your statement that “There are still plenty of Americans that blame all the world’s evil on America” is without substantiation. I don’t see any evidence to back this up.
 
Tomdstone said:
It is just false to say that Obama blames all of the world’s evil on America? Where has he blamed America for the evil caused by the Ebola virus or for the harassment of Christians in India? Where has Obama blamed America for the corruption in Greece? Your statement that “There are still plenty of Americans that blame all the world’s evil on America” is without substantiation. I don’t see any evidence to back this up.
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It is true enough in order to get the meaning of what I have been saying.

People come on here and blame the United States for ISIS, and then they play innocent when they get called on it.
 
Darryl1958 said:
It is true enough in order to get the meaning of what I have been saying.

People come on here and blame the United States for ISIS, and then they play innocent when they get called on it.
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The fact that the US is partially to blame for ISIS does not imply that the US is to blame for all of the world’s problems.
 
Darryl1958 said:
6 years after the reset has been pushed, we can note that the ME is not a better place on account of that. ISIS, Boko Haram, Syria in flames, Iraq being carved up by Shia and Sunni Islamists, America has experimented at being as tiny and unobtrusive as possible. What was once el quada has morphed into something a lot more evil.

There are still plenty of Americans that blame all the world’s evil on America. If they remain in the majority, it is hard not seeing this kind of evil growing exponentially.

It seems somehow ungrateful that so many young Americans especially, who have wanted for nothing their whole lives, who have the best food, the best education, the best technology, and unparalleled connectivity at their fingertips, can only see that the system that has allowed for this cornucopia that we have been all born into, as the root of all evil.

Shakespeare says it best when he says that hell hath no fury like that of an ungrateful child.
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I personally believe that it is in fact the wealth and security the US affords its citizens that enables this mentality to flourish. Economically and geographically we are set apart in many ways from the rest of the world - strange as that may sound. We grow up very insulated, self-absorbed, focused pretty exclusively on materialism and self-fulfillment. We have very little knowledge of anything beyond our borders or really even beyond our phones, mirrors and credit cards. This insulation creates a sort of perpetual adolescence; add in adolescent, secular left wing ideology spouted from Hollywood, the education system, and social media. A lot of people lack the will or capacity to push themselves beyond their environment and what it teaches them. Think cattle at the trough. 🙂
 
FollowChrist34 said:
I personally believe that it is in fact the wealth and security the US affords its citizens that enables this mentality to flourish. Economically and geographically we are set apart in many ways from the rest of the world - strange as that may sound. We grow up very insulated, self-absorbed, focused pretty exclusively on materialism and self-fulfillment. We have very little knowledge of anything beyond our borders or really even beyond our phones, mirrors and credit cards. This insulation creates a sort of perpetual adolescence; add in adolescent, secular left wing ideology spouted from Hollywood, the education system, and social media. A lot of people lack the will or capacity to push themselves beyond their environment and what it teaches them. Think cattle at the trough. 🙂
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It is the immaturity of thinking that the world has always been like it is right now, and will always be like that, regardless of the kinds of choices that are being made.
Americans have had the luxury of making mistakes over and over again, without seemingly any consequences.

The immaturity and ingratitude is in the lack of seriousness.
 
Darryl1958 said:
It is the immaturity of thinking that the world has always been like it is right now, and will always be like that, regardless of the kinds of choices that are being made.
Americans have had the luxury of making mistakes over and over again, without seemingly any consequences.

The immaturity and ingratitude is in the lack of seriousness.
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Fine, I grant your point. 🙂

I am not sure how severely we have been tested, especially on our own soil. We are relatively young (though older of course than Canada). I like to think we would grow up fast under severe threat; we are a very “can do” people if somewhat superficial (almost German in efficiency); it is not stupidity, this light-headedness or overconfidence or whatever you want to call it - I have never completely understood it. Too much money, too many resources, not enough consequences, who knows.
 
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