Exclusive: Mexican archbishop defends school that refused admission to child with ‘two fathers’

[Cricket2]

I believe Jesus didn’t welcome sinners by condoning their sins.

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Josh

Jesus never condoned sins and always called the person to change. He invited that change, not by sending them away, but by talking to them, eating with them and teaching them.

 

[Lapey]

I disagree. The child should be allowed to enter the school, regardless of her “parents” orientations, ideas…etc. Let her learn another perspective and allow the Holy Spirit to do His work within all souls. Keeping the child away will only serve to alienate her from her Church regardless of denomination.

It doesn’t matter if you agree of not; this doesn’t change the truth. In this case the parents would not comply with the guidelines. To go along with your premise is to say there can be no guidelines for anything anywhere.

So I ask you, does morality matter?

 

[Lapey]

Jesus never condoned sins and always called the person to change. He invited that change, not by sending them away, but by talking to them, eating with them and teaching them.

You have the orders of the scriptures backwards. Jesus demanded change, in fact some today would say He wasn’t acting as Jesus would when He overturned the money changers tables and chased them off with whips.

 

[josh987654321]

Jesus never condoned sins and always called the person to change.

True.

He invited that change, not by sending them away, but by talking to them, eating with them and teaching them.

So how does recognising the girls father’s as a married couple invite that change? What would you have the School or Archbishop do?

Like I said, it’s the girls father’s who are making demands, not the school or archbishop.

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Josh

 

[CatholicSheila]

Exactly. And BTW-she doesn’t have two Fathers. She has a father and mother just like everyone does. Her father decided to put his sexual desires above the childs well being.

I’m curious, if a child is been raised by a Father and step-mother from a young child, would you argue that because the step-mother is not biologically related to the child she is not their mother? Even if in all other ways (and to the child) she is? I have many family members I am not related to - I take great offense at even the suggestion that they are not my “family” because there is no blood link.

Would you tell an adopted child that their parents are not really their parents because they’re not biologically linked?

The child has two fathers. I don’t like it, and I wish we didn’t allow it, but my wants don’t dictate reality. Been a parent is more about action than it is about biology.

 

[Elizabeth502]

The child has two fathers.

And no adopting mother. And her exclusion is an offensive, reprehensible,and permanent form of child abuse.

Been a parent is more about action than it is about biology.

No. At the very least it’s about the biology of those claiming the parental role, on whose biology is predicated their actions.

 

[Tigg]

I disagree. The child should be allowed to enter the school, regardless of her “parents” orientations, ideas…etc. Let her learn another perspective and allow the Holy Spirit to do His work within all souls. Keeping the child away will only serve to alienate her from her Church regardless of denomination.

So you would discount the expectation of the other parents that their children be kept free from school situations that violate their religious beliefs? What about the souls of the other children who would be prematurely exposed and certainly confused over their friend who has two “dads” and no mother. Is it now wrong for parents of pre-school aged children to assume their child will not unwittingly be thrust into sexual exposures at such an early age?

 

[Cricket2]

So you would discount the expectation of the other parents that their children be kept free from school situations that violate their religious beliefs? What about the souls of the other children who would be prematurely exposed and certainly confused over their friend who has two “dads” and no mother. Is it now wrong for parents of pre-school aged children to assume their child will not unwittingly be thrust into sexual exposures at such an early age?

Wow! What a mixed up set of notions. There is and never will be a pure situation in any school that allows any child to free of exposure to beliefs or ideas different from what the family wishes for. To think this is possible is nonsense. My faith is strong enough, and always has been, that no matter what I was exposed to I believed in God. (I was not raised in a Christian home and I had no benefit of being taught anything about God or what it meant to believe in God. I had a near death experience that revealed to me that there was a God.)

About the sexual exposure??? Do you realize that incest occurs in no less than 33% of all homes? (Yep those heterosexual “normal” homes.) What does the school any child attends have to do with that? Perhaps what we should all be more concerned about is not a parents particular orientation or apparent beliefs, but rather whether or not the children of our society are being protected from practicing predators.

I know of a “Christian” family in which every single child, male and female, were molested by both parents. Each child was treated this way starting at the age of 5. All the while mom and dad where "God fearing, church attending, devout Catholics. Believe me those children could have cared less about school of any kind. I wonder what they think of God due to all this?

Let the child go to a place that might teach him/her about God. Let those (children) who are fortunate enough to be free of terror and horror at home be the ones that show that same love to other children. Let’s clean up our own dirt from within the supposed “pure members of the planet” with a little more diligence and honesty before we starting automatically shunning others and their children in the name of some apparent interest in purity of faith.

 

[JimG]

A child can have an adoptive father. A child can have an adoptive mother. But a child can’t have two mothers or two fathers. That’s just a fiction. And the daycare is right to reject that notion.

Yes, children have a right to their innocence, and parents have a right to expect that a daycare center will not expose their children to disordered sexual situations.

 

[Tigg]

Let the child go to a place that might teach him/her about God. Let those (children) who are fortunate enough to be free of terror and horror at home be the ones that show that same love to other children. Let’s clean up our own dirt from within the supposed “pure members of the planet” with a little more diligence and honesty before we starting automatically shunning others and their children in the name of some apparent interest in purity of faith.

Children will always be vulnerable to various forms of evil, but your assumption is completely mistaken if you think the motivation in this circumstance is to shun rather than to protect the purity of those still at an age unable to fully discern . This entire episode is to draw attention to, and support of, the gay-rights agenda and it really is unconscionable that a parent would use their child in such a manner.

Yes, children have a right to their innocence, and parents have a right to expect that a daycare center will not expose their children to disordered sexual situations.

Thank you!

 

[josh987654321]

May I just clarify and ask, If the father wasn’t demanding anything at all and enrolled his little girl into the school, would they refuse admission simply because she had, as the article said, two fathers?

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Josh

 

[josh987654321]

A child can have an adoptive father. A child can have an adoptive mother. But a child can’t have two mothers or two fathers. That’s just a fiction. And the daycare is right to reject that notion.

I wholeheartedly agree.

But may I ask, if the father wasn’t demanding the daycare to recognise that notion, would people still advocate the refusal of admission simple because as the article said, she has two father’s?

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[CatholicSheila]

No. At the very least it’s about the biology of those claiming the parental role, on whose biology is predicated their actions.

So you don’t consider adoptive parents to be actual parents, because they aren’t biologically related to their child?

Your view is a very sad view. If a person loves and raises a child, and in all ways behaves as the child’s parent, they are the child’s parent. That’s why adopted kids call their parents mum and/or dad. That’s what their parents are. Whether they are biologically related is neither here nor there doesn’t change that.

Would you tell an adopted child their parents aren’t really their parents and they shouldn’t call them mum and/or dad because biology proves they’re not their parents but impostors?

I don’t think you would.

We don’t have to like a family model that involves two dads or two mums instead of a mother or father. I don’t like it and I don’t think it should happen. What I like or want however doesn’t define reality.

 

[Cricket2]

I wholeheartedly agree.

But may I ask, if the father wasn’t demanding the daycare to recognise that notion, would people still advocate the refusal of admission simple because as the article said, she has two father’s?

Thank you for reading
Josh

I think they would still refuse her admission. This is where I have the problem. I just want the child to have a chance like the others.

 

[Lapey]

Wow! What a mixed up set of notions. There is and never will be a pure situation in any school that allows any child to free of exposure to beliefs or ideas different from what the family wishes for. To think this is possible is nonsense. My faith is strong enough, and always has been, that no matter what I was exposed to I believed in God. (I was not raised in a Christian home and I had no benefit of being taught anything about God or what it meant to believe in God. I had a near death experience that revealed to me that there was a God.)

About the sexual exposure??? Do you realize that incest occurs in no less than 33% of all homes? (Yep those heterosexual “normal” homes.) What does the school any child attends have to do with that? Perhaps what we should all be more concerned about is not a parents particular orientation or apparent beliefs, but rather whether or not the children of our society are being protected from practicing predators.

I know of a “Christian” family in which every single child, male and female, were molested by both parents. Each child was treated this way starting at the age of 5. All the while mom and dad where "God fearing, church attending, devout Catholics. Believe me those children could have cared less about school of any kind. I wonder what they think of God due to all this?

Let the child go to a place that might teach him/her about God. Let those (children) who are fortunate enough to be free of terror and horror at home be the ones that show that same love to other children. Let’s clean up our own dirt from within the supposed “pure members of the planet” with a little more diligence and honesty before we starting automatically shunning others and their children in the name of some apparent interest in purity of faith.

None of this post has anything to do with this thread. There are sick people in every walk of life, and yes, many innocent victims.

 

[Lapey]

I think they would still refuse her admission. This is where I have the problem. I just want the child to have a chance like the others.

You do not know that and all you wish to do is look for blame outside of where it lies, with the parents.

The child has a chance; it is up to the adults in this child’s life, parents and family, to offer her these chances. The parents are the primary educators of this child and they are and will be held accountable.

 

[Elizabeth502]

So you don’t consider adoptive parents to be actual parents, because they aren’t biologically related to their child?

No, I said the opposite. Please reread my post. I said that adoptive heterosexual parents are fulfilling their biological gender roles. Homosexual “parents” are not. They are violating the natural rights of the child, shamefully.

 

[estesbob]

So you don’t consider adoptive parents to be actual parents, because they aren’t biologically related to their child?

Your view is a very sad view. If a person loves and raises a child, and in all ways behaves as the child’s parent, they are the child’s parent. That’s why adopted kids call their parents mum and/or dad. That’s what their parents are. Whether they are biologically related is neither here nor there doesn’t change that.

Would you tell an adopted child their parents aren’t really their parents and they shouldn’t call them mum and/or dad because biology proves they’re not their parents but impostors?

I don’t think you would.

We don’t have to like a family model that involves two dads or two mums instead of a mother or father. I don’t like it and I don’t think it should happen. What I like or want however doesn’t define reality.

Just like “homosexual marriage” it is impossible to have two “mom” or Two “Dads” Its not a matter of liking or not liking-its a matter of not accepting something that is a inherent contradiction.

When Abraham Lincoln was practicing law he asked a witness “If a tail was a leg how many legs would a dog have”? The witness answered “5” “wrong, said Abe 'calling a tail a leg doesn’t make it one”

 

[marymary1975]

I think they would still refuse her admission. This is where I have the problem. I just want the child to have a chance like the others.

This is a point that is very loable, wanting the child to have the chance. However there is an issue on the back with regard to this that i don’t think it has been brought up in this discusion. Is it fair to the child to be put on an environment in which he ia going to be told that his “Family” to which he looks up is wrong and living in sin and to put the child into a situation where the child is getting contradictory messages at home amd school??? I was in a very similar situation and being the result of that situation I have very torn feelings of how positive is giving the child as I can tell you from experience the child is either going to hate ome and love the other or vice versa. I went to a private catholic school being the child of a woman who choose being a single mother and who had departed from the faithany years ago and yea it was a very traumatizing experience to be the only kid in the class who didn’t have a dad, it was very traumatizing being told I didn’t have a family and I had to struggle for years to reconcile my faith with my family and to find my own place in life.

Yes I do see the argument that the child needs the chance and I can see that there is a benefit. In the end my faith won over but I did struggle amd suffer a lot to the point that I highly doubt that the ideal thing is to throw the kid into an environment where he is going to have to deal with the pain of getting completely contradictory messages, and even worse in the case of homosexuality where at home he is going to be told that his parents are married while at school he is going to be harshly told the truth on his face. I am not quite sure that is the best way.

 

[Corki]

May I just clarify and ask, If the father wasn’t demanding anything at all and enrolled his little girl into the school, would they refuse admission simply because she had, as the article said, two fathers?

Thank you for reading
Josh

No, in fact she was admitted but the child’s father objected to being referred to as a single parent. He wanted the school to acknowledge the other man as a father too.

From the original linked article (which I encourage people to read before flying in to comment)

The two-year-old was initially admitted, but three days later the school asked Alex, the biological father, to present himself as a single parent.

The father refused and withdrew his child from the school.