Existence of Jesus?

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Thank you to all who have answered so far. I’m feeling a bit better. On Saturday, I plan on going to Confession and talking with a priest there. Is it normal for a person to go to Conression, more for advice then to confess sins? That’s what I plan on doing. I’ll still confess sins though. But, is that okay to do?
Hi, Tess-marie, I’m glad your crisis of faith is a bit better. Of course, it is OK to go to confession to seek spiritual advice–that is certainly one of the many great benefits of confession! It is normal for you to have questions, and seeking out information is what smart people do. One way to learn more about the history of the Catholic faith is to join an RCIA class. These classes are not only for non-Catholics who are interested in joining the Church, but they are also wonderful for confirmed Catholics who really want to know more about their faith. There, you will have weekly access to someone who can talk to you one-on-one about any questions that come up. Another possibility to help you on your spiritual journey is to have a Spiritual Director. A Spiritual Director is trained to help guide people spiritually, usually a priest, deacon, sister, or Lay Minister. If you are interested in any of these options, ask your priest. Good luck, dear, and if you would like to PM me with faith questions, I would gladly help. ( I am the Director of Religious Education & teach catechism in our parish) God Bless!
 
Also, sorry for the double post but I can’t edit my previous one. Someone told me this:
“Romans never required people to return to their city of origin for the census, nor did they require the entire family to be present.
Roman censuses were conducted in the city of RESIDENCE and only the head of household was counted. The biblical accounts place “Joseph” and his family in Bethlehem because it was necessary to try and make the stories match up to the prophecy in Daniel.
The only census conducted over the time period specified also conflicts with the birth years for Jesus listed in the Gospels”
Can anyone shed some light on that for me?

I know I sound horrible for questioning so much, and being so doubtful, but I can’t help it. I’d give anything to just believe. 😦
Googling that quote shows that you copied it off a Yahoo forum. The original atheist poster displayed a blithe claim of knowledge of how things were “really done” in ancient Rome and the provinces, without citing any sources.

Censuses in Rome, of Roman citizens, may have been conducted in the city of residence, but out in the conquered provinces? Probably not. We have a surviving papyrus copy of an edict of C. Vibius Maximus eparch of Egypt, that is dated from A.D. 104, that indicate that provincial citizens were on at least one occasion ordered to return home from their “own place” for the Roman census. Roman prefects were, by this evidence, given some latitude in how they conducted the census in their own territories. Here’s the original in transliterated Greek. It can be found in Adolf Deissmann’s “Light From the Ancient East,” published in 1910. You can even download a copy of the book here: archive.org/details/lightfromancient00deis

“G(AIOS YI)BIO(S MAXIMOS EPA)RC(OS) AIGYPT(OY LEGEI) THS KAT’ OI(KIAN APOGRAFHS E)NESTW(SHS) ANAGKAION (ESTIN PASIN TOI)S KATH’ H(NTINA) DHPOTE AIT(IAN EKSTASI TWN HEAUTWN) NOMON PROSA(GGELLE)STHAI EPA(NEL)THEIN EIS TA HEAU(TWN E)FESTIA HIN(A) KAI THN SUNHTHH (OI)KONOMIAN TH(S APO)GRAFES PLHRWSWSIN KAI TH PROS(HKOU)SH AUTOIS GEWRGIAI PROSKARTERHSO(SIN)”

Lest you think Herr Deissmann was some rabid Christian forger of antiquities in a back-alley Berlin antique shop, here’s his biography from Wikipedia. He was a very respected scholar:

"Deissmann was professor of theology at the Ruprecht Karl University of Heidelberg (1897-1908), and then at the Friedrich Wilhelms University of Berlin (1908-1935). He was twice nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize, and held eight honorary doctorates from 6 different countries.

"In 1904 he founded, together with Albrecht Dieterich, the Eranos circle in Heidelberg. Members included Ernst Troeltsch, Max Weber, Eberhard Gothein, Georg Jellinek, Karl Rathgen, and Wilhelm Windelband.

"In Berlin, Deissmann’s academic focus began to shift from Greek philology to the ecumenical movement, church reform and, significantly, international Völkerverständigung (i.e. peace-promoting mutual understanding between nations and cultures). From 1914 until 1922 he produced a regular semi-political international communiqué, the Evangelischer Wochenbrief (1914-1921), with its English equivalent Protestant Weekly Letters (1914-1917). Its target audience was primarily influential German and American Christians, and it provided a forum for the advancement of peace and understanding among nations.

"In 1925 Deissmann became aware of the disintegration of ancient Ephesus, a historically important archaeological site, partly excavated before World War I under the auspices of the Austrian Archaeological Institute. Deissmann campaigned single-handedly for several years, both on a national and international level, to raise awareness of the plight of Ephesus, and managed to organise funding for the archaeological work to recommence in 1926, and continued annually until 1929.

“Deissmann died on 5 April 1937, in Wünsdorf near Berlin, where he is buried in the local cemetery.”

You describe yourself as young, so it is doubtful you have had much experience yet with government bureaucracies. The comfort and convenience of the people affected are often not a concern of those involved with implementing procedures in our own times, it would be likely to be even less so for the citizens of a conquered and subjugated province of the Roman Empire.

As Thomas Cahill said in “Desire of the Everlasting Hills”:

"What we have here, it seems to me, is a picture of Jesus’s parents bearing up under the very oppression that their son will later rail against: political injustice - the grand and arbitrary gestures, made in flagrant disregard for the deep concerns of ordinary human beings (who cut no figure on the world’s stage), that so facilely issue forth from Caesar and all his presumptuous ilk - as well as petty, person-to-person stinginess, the low-level withholding of generosity that can make such a burden of daily life. At its profoundest, our celebration of Christmas, which continues to maintain such an inexplicable hold on our whole culture, is not “good news” about material acquisition…it is rather, a dramatization of the simple triumphs of common humanity, in which joy at a baby’s birth can overcome the most grievous official oppression, and even the pedestrian aggravations, of ordinary life. “When a woman is in labor,” the adult Jesus will remind us in John’s Gospel, “she suffers all the pain that is necessary to this experience. But then her baby is born; and the intensity of her suffering is wiped from her memory - because of the joy she possesses in having brought a new human being into the world.”
 
I posted this in Traditional Catholicism, and I just realized it was the wrong place. If anyone knows how to delete a thread they’ve started please let me know.

Anyway, I’m an 18 year old girl who was raised in a traditional Catholic family. However, lately, I’m finding that my faith is seriously dwindling.

I’m starting to even doubt the existence of Jesus at all. I’ve read that all of the records that reference Him outside of the bible were written only years after he died, and that there are no historical records of Him while he was living. I’ve read that He was not included in the Roman censuses, and that there’s no evidence to say that King Herod every ordered the murder of children.

I’ve also read that there’s not even evidence of His trial with Pontus Pilate.

This is all so disturbing to me. If he was important enough to split time into two (BC and AD), how could there not be more historical records of His existence?
I’ve had experience with secular, heterodox people all my life, so I think I’ve heard it all.

First of all, almost every secular scholar accepts the historical existence of Jesus. The Jewish Historian Flavius Josephus, who was born 4 years after the crucifixion wrote extensively about Pontius Pilate. In his book Antiquities of the Jews, written around AD 93 (within the lifetime of the Apostle John, I might add), he retells the story of Christ’s crucifixion and resurrection:

“Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was the Christ, and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians so named from him are not extinct at this day.”

The Roman Senator Tacitus wrote a little later, in AD 116, that “Nero fastened the guilt of starting the blaze and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians [Chrestians] by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular.”

Although these records come to us many years after he died, St. Paul wrote his Epistles in the early 50s AD, as early as 15-20 years after the crucifixion. The difference between Jesus and the gods of Rome, Greece, and Egypt is that Jesus was said to have lived in recent times. Remember the opening to the Gospel of St. Luke, which says that Jesus was born during the reign of Caesar Augustus and while Cyrinus was governor of Syria.

When it comes to there not being a record of the census, I have heard that this argument is a fallacy because either (and I forgot which) Romans didn’t keep census records or that we haven’t found much of the records they did keep.

About King Herod ordering the Slaughter of the Innocents, I’ve never looked into it. But you should note that not everything was recorded on paper in those days, and he certainly didn’t need to put it on paper to order it.
I’m so depressed about my lack of faith. I feel like I’m so close to not believing anymore, and that scares me because what else will I have to live for?
Does anyone have any advice for me? Or can anyone answer my doubts about the existence of Jesus? Please pray for me. Thank you and God bless
You’re not alone. I’ve felt lack of faith and doubts before as have we all. It’s very troubling. But we know from the argument from contingency that God exists. And when it comes to ‘proving’ the miracles of the Bible, of course weird and out of the usual things are going to happen when God, the creator of space/time itself, enters the historical process via the Incarnation, which is only proved by the various miracles which have occurred in the two thousand years of Christianity. Read the Book of Acts. From Paul’s vision on the Road to Emmaus, to St. Peter being freed from jail by an angel, God is revealing himself to not only them, but us. Do you think all the early Christians who experienced divine things such as these were all duped? Come on now. Ancient people weren’t more gullible or stupid than modern man as is commonly believed.

Faith is an act of the will, not a feeling. Will that you believe in God, whom we are all rightfully ordered too. Even if he doesn’t exist (and He does), I for one would rather live with the illusion that he does than live in a narcissistic, closed in, secular world.

I’ll keep you in my prayers. Pray to St. Thomas, he had doubts too. Remember Jesus suffering in the Garden of Gethsemane. Fulton Sheen once said that on the cross Jesus suffered for all our physical pain, and in the Garden of Gethsemane he suffered for all of our mental pain. Through it all, keep your eyes on the prize as they say. If you don’t believe, you have nothing to gain, if you do, you have everything to gain.

And if I may make a recommendation, Fr. Robert Barron on Youtube (his channel is here) makes really good arguments in favor of Christianity and against atheism/agnosticism from a theological/philosophical/historical perspective. Checking out his videos has helped me tremendously with doubts in my faith life.

Have a nice Sunday! 😉
 
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