Expert: homosexuality clearly a factor in new priest abuse data

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Is there ANY empirical evidence whatsoever on the causation of same-sex attraction other than the usual theories bandied about by both sides on this issue?I believe there has been medical research looking for a gay gene but nothing has been found.
All the research I’ve seen or heard of regarding brain development and hormonal changes in the womb have produced mixed results. The search for a gay gene, as the search for a gambling gene, is also dubious. Most psychologists do not believe same-sex attraction is a choice any more than opposite-sex attraction is. But what exactly the interplay is between biological and environmental causes remains controversial.
 
That is what criminologists said.This psychiatrist points out the absurdity of that conclusion…
And I’d be happy to point out the absurdity of this psychiatrists opinion. Sexual orientation is not as cut and dry as homosexual or heterosexual. The gender of the victims does not grant licence to draw unsubstantiated conclusions on the sexual orientation of the perpetrator. Just because the victim was of the same sex as the perpetrator and reached puberty doesn’t mean the perpetrator was a homosexual. They could just as easily be bisexual or even heterosexual. This psychiatrist has no scientific foundation for such a statement unless he’s been conducting FMRI scans on the perpetrators. Additionally, the vast majority of homosexuals do not attempt to seduce minors. These priests could have solicited sex from adults so why did they choose minors? It suggests that these were crimes of opportunity rather than sexual preference.
 
And I’d be happy to point out the absurdity of this psychiatrists opinion. Sexual orientation is not as cut and dry as homosexual or heterosexual. The gender of the victims does not grant licence to draw unsubstantiated conclusions on the sexual orientation of the perpetrator. Just because the victim was of the same sex as the perpetrator and reached puberty doesn’t mean the perpetrator was a homosexual. They could just as easily be bisexual or even heterosexual. This psychiatrist has no scientific foundation for such a statement unless he’s been conducting FMRI scans on the perpetrators. Additionally, the vast majority of homosexuals do not attempt to seduce minors. These priests could have solicited sex from adults so why did they choose minors? It suggests that these were crimes of opportunity rather than sexual preference.
Well, let’s continue considering this, shall we? It is thought that many of the offending priests were sexually ‘confused’. OK, let’s say they were confused. How come, out of their “confusion” they chose same sex victims 81% of the time? This discounts the fact that many offenders chose solely same-sex victims. Every time. Confusion would imply randomness, which we clearly do not see here. Offending male priests, having a choice between male and female victims, chose males in 81% of their victims. 81% is just a bit more than than a mere statistical trend, wouldn’t you say?

The vast majority of the offenses were 100% homosexual in nature. Facts are facts.

And, why is homosexuality only bad when a Catholic Priest practices it? Is this hypocrisy in our culture and in our media? Yes.
 
And, why is homosexuality only bad when a Catholic Priest practices it? Is this hypocrisy in our culture and in our media? Yes.
 
And, why is homosexuality only bad when a Catholic Priest practices it? Is this hypocrisy in our culture and in our media? Yes.
Because the media calls it pedophelia which is gender neutral; BUT it isn’t pedophelia it is hebephelia which is the attraction to post pubescent males.It is NEVER referred to as homosexual predation in the media-but always child abuse-85 per cent of the victims are post pubescent boys and young men.

Notice how the radical wing of the homosexual “community” attacks and mocks the Church on ALL fronts but NEVER raises a PEEP about this issue?It is recognized by them as Chicken Hawkism-the attraction of and pursuit of young postpubescent boys and young men by older men.Google it.

The homosexuals and homosexualists know EXACTLY what is going on but the media is terrified of offending them so they call it pedophelia which it is anything but.
 
And I’d be happy to point out the absurdity of this psychiatrists opinion. Sexual orientation is not as cut and dry as homosexual or heterosexual. The gender of the victims does not grant licence to draw unsubstantiated conclusions on the sexual orientation of the perpetrator. Just because the victim was of the same sex as the perpetrator and reached puberty doesn’t mean the perpetrator was a homosexual. They could just as easily be bisexual or even heterosexual. This psychiatrist has no scientific foundation for such a statement unless he’s been conducting FMRI scans on the perpetrators. Additionally, the vast majority of homosexuals do not attempt to seduce minors. These priests could have solicited sex from adults so why did they choose minors? It suggests that these were crimes of opportunity rather than sexual preference.
Oh come on-what you’ve written is apologetic drivel.I’ll take a psychiatrists opinion over a criminologists opinion(i studied criminology)or your opinion any day of the week.The problem is hebephelia a HOMOSEXUAL disorder which affects a small percentage of the gay population.There are PLENTY of homosexuals both secular and clerical who are disgusted with this kind of behaviour.There are priests who suffer same sex attraction who are as true to their vow of celibacy as hetersexual priests are.
Utter nonsense and bumph.
 
“And I’d be happy to point out the absurdity of this psychiatrists opinion.”

Really,Emperor Napoleon?I could make a comment but I won’t.
 
The problem is hebephelia a HOMOSEXUAL disorder which affects a small percentage of the gay population…
Hebephelia is not a “homosexual disorder.” The most comprehensive study on the gender preference of pedophiles and hebephiles, Jenny et al., found that only 0.7% of perpetrators prefer their victims to be of the same gender while the majority had no gender preference at all. In fact, all of the scientific literature on the subject demonstrates that the majority have no gender preference and, more often than not, child molestation is a crime of opportunity. The fact that the majority of victims are boys says nothing about the gender preference of the perpetrator priests because the majority of hebephiles give no thought to gender. A priest has more access to boys than to girls. Its as simple as that.
 
Additionally, the vast majority of homosexuals do not attempt to seduce minors.
Maybe they do. This source seems to think so, and has data that claims to establish that the great majority of homosexuals have had sex with minors. inductivist.blogspot.com/2010/06/homosexuality-caused-by-imprinting.html

Also, of course, it says some 25% of adult homosexuals had their first homosexual experiences as minors. I have read higher numbers elsewhere, but whatever.

It’s possible, of course, that homosexuality is a circular thing. One is seduced by a homosexual during one’s formative years and comes to identify sexual pleasure with homosexuality. It may, in effect, feed on itself in a society. One might conclude, then, that the best way to prevent it is to “break the chain” of causation. How a society as far gone as ours might do that is problematic, particularly when the elites are so determined to involve children in homosexual awareness and approval at earlier and earlier ages.
 
Hebephelia is not a “homosexual disorder.” The most comprehensive study on the gender preference of pedophiles and hebephiles, Jenny et al., found that only 0.7% of perpetrators prefer their victims to be of the same gender while the majority had no gender preference at all. In fact, all of the scientific literature on the subject demonstrates that the majority have no gender preference and, more often than not, child molestation is a crime of opportunity. The fact that the majority of victims are boys says nothing about the gender preference of the perpetrator priests because the majority of hebephiles give no thought to gender. A priest has more access to boys than to girls. Its as simple as that.
Maybe not. Could be they aren’t hebepheliacs at all, just plain ordinary homosexuals. A homosexual priest would have a lot more access to post-pubescent boys (and a lot more ability to persuade them) that he would to adult men. His success rate with adult heterosexual men would be zero plus a black eye.
 
Hebephelia is not a “homosexual disorder.” The most comprehensive study on the gender preference of pedophiles and hebephiles, Jenny et al., found that only 0.7% of perpetrators prefer their victims to be of the same gender while the majority had no gender preference at all. In fact, all of the scientific literature on the subject demonstrates that the majority have no gender preference and, more often than not, child molestation is a crime of opportunity. The fact that the majority of victims are boys says nothing about the gender preference of the perpetrator priests because the majority of hebephiles give no thought to gender. A priest has more access to boys than to girls. Its as simple as that.
Thank you doctor.It is a disorder and when practiced by homosexuals it is a homosexual disorder.When practiced by heterosexuals it is a heterosexual disorder but most folks call it plain old statutory rape.

The Church has had plenty of altar girls for a while since the late sixties or at least post Vatican II as well and the incidence of abuse there is negligible.If these were omnisexexual or bi-sexual or just plain predatory hebephiles we would hear of an equivalent number of cases.These men committed homosexual acts with young post pubescent males but THAT is not a homosexual act and ergo they are not homosexuals-is that what you’re positing?Please don’t blow smoke up my soutane.
 
When disgraced Bishop Lahey was caught at Canadian Customs with pornographic images of young men,that was not indicative of homosexuality?Puh-lease.
 
The Church has had plenty of altar girls for a while since the late sixties or at least post Vatican II as well and the incidence of abuse there is negligible.If these were omnisexexual or bi-sexual or just plain predatory hebephiles we would hear of an equivalent number of cases…
Your assessment depends entirely on equal access to boys and girls but many, if not most, of these crimes were committed in gender segregated schools and orphanages. If these priests had the same quantity of interaction with girls as they did with boys then the statisicts would probably be much closer together but since most hebephiles have no gender preference and many if not most of the hebephile priests spent most of their time in gender segregated environments it is no surprise that most of the victims were boys.
 
Your assessment depends entirely on equal access to boys and girls but many, if not most, of these crimes were committed in gender segregated schools and orphanages. If these priests had the same quantity of interaction with girls as they did with boys then the statisicts would probably be much closer together but since most hebephiles have no gender preference and many if not most of the hebephile priests spent most of their time in gender segregated environments it is no surprise that most of the victims were boys.
And the moon is made of green cheese.If it looks like a duck,walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it’s a duck,pard,no matter how many backflips you perform trying to prove it is not.

“… many, if not most, of these crimes were committed in gender segregated schools and orphanages”.Baloney.Hogwash.Nonsense.Not in North America in the main-maybe Ireland.Your use of “most” is frightfully misinformed and giving you the benefit of the doubt unintentionally dishonest.Be careful in your contortions to prove the ludicrous or you’ll sprain something.
 
Homosexual or not priests should keep their hands to themselves, no excuses.
 
Your assessment depends entirely on equal access to boys and girls but many, if not most, of these crimes were committed in gender segregated schools and orphanages. If these priests had the **same quantity of interaction with girls as they did with boys **then the statisicts would probably be much closer together but since **most hebephiles have no gender preference **and many if not most of the hebephile priests spent most of their time in gender segregated environments it is no surprise that most of the victims were boys.
Two questions: 1st I don’t understand why you write “probably” given what you stated (especially the 2 parts in bold character) 2nd Do you have an a priori opinion that facts won’t budge, IOW would you accept the conclusion that homosexuality is the common denominator if you were presented with evidence that you found logically and intellectually satisfying?
 
Your assessment depends entirely on equal access to boys and girls but many, if not most, of these crimes were committed in gender segregated schools and orphanages. If these priests had the same quantity of interaction with girls as they did with boys then the statisicts would probably be much closer together but since most hebephiles have no gender preference and many if not most of the hebephile priests spent most of their time in gender segregated environments it is no surprise that most of the victims were boys.
In prisons, aboard ship, in junior seminaries, as well as boarding schools,
lust leads men to attach themselves to the most available sexual object. When seminaries stopped weeding out “nervous” students and let them get too close to others emotionally, they were letting unfit men become priests. And “trained” as they were, which youngsters were more likely to attract them: images of their fellow students who were images of themselves. Homosexuality is an extreme form of self-love, and in going after these kids they were just loving younger versions of themselves. The natural yearning for women is discourage by the very strangeness of the opposite sex. If they go after women, it is likely to be those girls who are more like boys.
 
Homosexual or not priests should keep their hands to themselves, no excuses.
98.98 per cent do.Those who have been outed have been prosecuted and laicised.The incidence of sexual abuse is much higher on protestant sects.4-5 per cent of adult heterosexuals mostly parents are pedopheliacs.I’d trust my kid with my parish priest before I’d ever trust him with a non-clerical.The incidence of sexual abuse among teachers alone is staggering.

Would you like me to provide you with bona fide research to back this up?Anytime-just ask.
 
Is there ANY empirical evidence whatsoever on the causation of same-sex attraction other than the usual theories bandied about by both sides on this issue?I believe there has been medical research looking for a gay gene but nothing has been found.
Of course you are right. As for the '50s, I have a '50s education of the Encyclopedia Americana, and the article on homxsexuality has as much reliable knowledge as we no possess. It says something telling, though, that the rejection of homsexuality was largely a matter of convention. What has happened is that the convention has radically changed. That change was driven by the Sexual Revolution, not new scientific knowledge.
 
Maybe not. Could be they aren’t hebepheliacs at all, just plain ordinary homosexuals. A homosexual priest would have a lot more access to post-pubescent boys (and a lot more ability to persuade them) that he would to adult men. His success rate with adult heterosexual men would be zero plus a black eye.
Sorry, Ridge, but plain ordinary gay men know where and how to find other interested and willing gay men. Just ask former Senator Larry Craig…

But your main point is one worth examining. I’m not gay and I can’t claim to be able to think like they do. But I’m certainly familiar with the hetersexual man’s lustful temptation inclinations and it’s not uncommon at all for a hetero man to find a sexually developed 18 year old girl more physically sexually attractive than a 40 year old woman. I’d not be surprised if the same tendency occured often among men with same sex attraction (SSA). Girls don’t develop the sexual features attractive to (normal) men until about that age. Perhaps the attractive features to those with SSA don’t take that long to develop.

Now comes the amatuer psychology. A sexually active gay priest is ALREADY a man who is willing to behave in ways in direct contravention to the moral teachings he claims to hold dear. Is it so hard to believe that such a person is more willing to chuck OTHER inconvenient moral teachings that contradict what he desires? Duh!
So to me, the conclusion is obvious: sexually active homosexual priests are a clear and present danger to the Catholic Church and need to be removed from ministry immediately (same for hetero, probably). Those obedient to their promise of celibacy and who live out church teaching in their ministry are innocent until/unless proven guilty.

The study scope appears to be so tiptoeish around the issue that I doubt they asked the right questions to separate out the above. I still say this is a rebellion issue, not a SSA issue. Those priests that preached and lived rebellion to catholic moral teaching, not surprisingly, ended up committing sexually horrific acts. That’s what sin DOES folks!
 
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