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Jelrak_TB
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Perhaps so, but is it not also true that it is difficult to imagine one’s life coming to an end with nothing afterwards? This appears to be an inability to think in finite terms regarding our own mortality; infinite seems perfectly fine.Finite and eternal are two different things. ‘Finite’ is a human expression. We often use human terms to explain what is not human because of our limited language. We human like certainty and like finite answers to questions because that is how we think. We don’t think in terms of eternal, or a better word may be ‘unending’ because of our human understanding that everything has a beginning and an end. As human, we cannot really comprehend eternity. To illustrate, we accept space has no end - but can we really comprehend something without an end? Can we really get our heads around what it means physically? Not really, because everything we know has a beginning and an end. In addition, God does not have desires in a human sense because God is not human. Therefore, God does not think in human terms and does not apply human reasoning to situations.
What if you are very, very wrong about this? Did God not lay out many commands that were worthy of death in Old Testament times? Did he not appear to be extremely judgmental? Would one expect a being that is claimed to be eternal and unchanging to change its mind and become suddenly pliable?A person who rejects God has no desire to be with Him eternally. That desire is eternal and not something they think at a certain point in time in their life for an infinite number of reasons. I don’t think anyone would be sent to hell for a difference of opinion with God.
Agreed.Do we not all have differences of opinion with God at many points in time throughout our lives?
A difference of opinion is not necessarily rejection. In addition, is the person rejecting God Himself, or the image of God others have created? We are all a little guilty of creating God in our own image, presuming to know what He thinks, wants and desires, and what He is like. We create a God that we want, one that meets with our approval and will do what we think is right which may not be who God is at all. Would such a person be necessarily evil throughout? That is something only God can know. The strange thing about human nature is there are people who are capable of evil acts with an evil intention, yet at the same time are capable of great good with a good intention.
OK.It is certainly strange to imagine a person who would believes God exists, that He is goodness and love yet rejects Him. What we have been told is it can happen. As James says in his epistle, ‘So you believe in God do you? The ‘demons’ believe and shudder.’ I’m not going to into a debate as to whether the devil is a actual person and all that. The point I would take from it is real person or an illustrative character of evil, God’s opposite, Satan knew Jesus was the Messiah and the Son of God yet rejected him.
Depends what you mean by ‘dislikes God.’ Why do they 'dislike God? Do they dislike the image of God that has been created, or God Himself? Can you dislike something you do not believe exists? Alternatively, it is possible to love many things and not God.
Our family are people we live with and know intimately. We engage with them and have a willingness to love them because they are our family irrespective of their faults and failings. One cannot know God unless one has a desire to engage Him and enter into a relationship with Him. If someone throughout their lives has no desire to enter into a relationship with God or engage him, that may be rejection. However only God can know.
I would posit that it is impossible to definitively dislike God both for your well reasoned consideration: “can you dislike something you do not believe exists” as well as because God’s character is completely unknown. All one is truly able to do is dislike the image of God that is presented to them or the image of God they have created.Is it not true to say there are times when we don’t love our family? Does this mean we reject them? At a certain point in time when our relationship with them is not good, perhaps. It is fair to say the same follows with God because relationships are hard work.
Like I said, salvation is not about timing.
Given this logical situation, however, is it reasonable to assume that any can actually truly like God?
Is Jesus’ testimony credible? If one’s interpretation is other than God’s intention, why would God make no effort to enlighten the one? Particularly if the wrong interpretation might lead to the loss of one or many souls? Are souls so surplus a commodity to the creator that the loss of a miserable few here and there are not particularly noteworthy?Did Jesus suggest those who merit Hell are in the majority? Do they literally burn? These things depend on your point of view and interpretation of scripture.
I don’t think damnation is a ‘right.’ I don’t God adheres to the ECHR or the American Constitution.![]()
Why would God create a soul that he knew in advance would not change its mind?Someone who is in hell is someone who God knows will not change their mind. In my view, if they would change their mind they would not be there, they would be in purgatory.
OK.Because from a Catholic perspective, repentance is ongoing. We do not believe in repentance as a one off act that covers sins for all time.